A Christian perspective., page 6

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 07:43 PM

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So I'm still a little confused on how my posts don't respect others. Someone disagrees with a post I have written and they make a reply to it stating their point(which is what they believe). I disagree with a post someone else has written and so I reply with a point(which is what I believe) and I get a foul called on me. Is it just because it's from the Bible? Maybe it's this. I believe what is written in the Bible is 100% accurate. I believe it was written by men God chose, and He inspired them on what to write. My confidence is in God and that He has has not left me alone to speculate about everything. Yes, there is symbolism in the Bible(EX. Rev.6:13 says the stars of the heaven fell unto the earth... ) Now if the stars fell to the earth it would be completely destroyed. This verse is symbolism. The stars are fallen angels coming to earth in an alien UFO invasion. Now will writing this bring others stern rebuke on me? Why?

Yngwie

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 07:51 PM

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Well Dlbrandt when you say your belief is correct, some take that as an offense or disrespectful.

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 07:54 PM

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GOD is beyond what any living man can dream of, GOD is more then just one book but exists on so many different levels that are beyond the comprehension of man. Jesus wanted you to know that GOD is Omni-Potent he is the Father and the Creator, He is the Destroyer and giver of life. He is everything, in everything, IS everything.

Jesus is more than we can dream of or imagine and He is more than one book. The apostle John said if all the things were written down about what Jesus did while He was on the earth, there wouldn't be enough books to hold it all. When I enter eternity I will never be bored again. I'll be with God forever because it will take forever to find out all there is to know about Him.

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Yngwie
Well Dlbrandt when you say your belief is correct, some take that as an offense or disrespectful.

So, there can be no absolutes?

Dr MamBo

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 07:59 PM
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I've read christian websites and it seems to me that they are intolerant of....well most things.

If god is pure love then how can he judge people and cast them into hell? Surely a god who is pure love could not even have any concept of evil.

Evil is a creation of man, and we are here on earth to learn how to over come evil on the road to perfection.

I also belive "god" is both sexes.

Yngwie

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 08:06 PM
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So, there can be no absolutes?

Yes there can, but saying I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG...is disrespectful. Just because there are absolutes does not mean you are right. All I am saying is when you come on to a subject such as religion you should lay it down slow. Let everyone have his/her own. Say "Well I think..." not "Well I KNOW"...

popeye0314

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 08:36 PM
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So is a world of chaos better than a world of order? And from where does order descend? And from where does chaos arise from?

Yngwie

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 08:38 PM
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Popeye...where did you get chaos from?

Dr MamBo

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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Chaos will always win over order because chaos is better organised

badkitty

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by Dr MamBo
I've read christian websites and it seems to me that they are intolerant of....well most things.

If god is pure love then how can he judge people and cast them into hell? Surely a god who is pure love could not even have any concept of evil.

Evil is a creation of man, and we are here on earth to learn how to over come evil on the road to perfection.

I also belive "god" is both sexes.

Where did you get the idea that God is pure love? God is just, rightious, truth, love, many things. Much more that we humans can yet comprehend. But pure love? I'm not sure there is a religion in the world that teaches that.

As far as evil goes, it is as much a mystery as God. It would seem to me that either there is a supreme beign that is both good and evil - all things spiritual. Or there are two beings, equal in omnipotence. For, if God is not capable of evil, and evil exists and God has not destroyed it then evil must be as powerful as good.

As far as sexes go - do you really think there is such a thing in the spiritual world? We are not talking about human beings here - we're talking spirit, energy, intilect, intangible, non-physical things.....how does human anatomy come into play here?

Dr MamBo

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by badkitty

Originally posted by Dr MamBo
I've read christian websites and it seems to me that they are intolerant of....well most things.

If god is pure love then how can he judge people and cast them into hell? Surely a god who is pure love could not even have any concept of evil.

Evil is a creation of man, and we are here on earth to learn how to over come evil on the road to perfection.

I also belive "god" is both sexes.

Where did you get the idea that God is pure love? God is just, rightious, truth, love, many things. Much more that we humans can yet comprehend. But pure love? I'm not sure there is a religion in the world that teaches that.

As far as evil goes, it is as much a mystery as God. It would seem to me that either there is a supreme beign that is both good and evil - all things spiritual. Or there are two beings, equal in omnipotence. For, if God is not capable of evil, and evil exists and God has not destroyed it then evil must be as powerful as good.

As far as sexes go - do you really think there is such a thing in the spiritual world? We are not talking about human beings here - we're talking spirit, energy, intilect, intangible, non-physical things.....how does human anatomy come into play here?

Its just something I read somewhere. I've never belived in a god as such, but the idea that god is pure love strikes a chord inside me. I belive god to be the purest and highest form of energy which binds everything in existence. I belive we come from a place where there is no negativity and that we come to earth to have negative experiences so we can perfect ourselves. I dont belive in the devil, just dark beings that have turned away from "god", but will one day realise there mistake and go back to the light.(when this happens humanity will reach a whole new level of existance). Mankind needs to learn for itself how to control evil thoughts and actions, after all its my belif we created evil. We could have easily not created evil, but hey thats the way things have turned out.
Human anatomy comes into play because obviously we need a way to re-produce. Im an astral-traveller and when I leave my body I am still male. I just think its the natural order of things to have a male and female side, who knows perhaps one day the idea of sexes will fade away and we will emerge as something else, but for now it seems to fit.

jezebel

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by dlbrandt
God(Elohim, not an alien elohim) took part of His name and placed it in Abraham's name

What makes you believe that the Elohim of the Hebrews is a different being than the Elohim of the Sumerians? The word 'Eloha' means God, and its plural 'Elohim' means 'gods'. Since the original Biblical text says Elohim and not Eloha, it was referring to gods and not a god. This is the same as in the Sumerian history of the Elohim, so how can you say, with certainty, that they are not the same beings? Afterall, the Hebrew culture and history originated with the Sumerians, as did the Babylonian's, Egyptian's, Assyrian's, etc.

Just a thought, but wouldn't Abram's name have been changed to Abrahim rather than Abraham if the Elohim put part of its name into Abram's name?

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 09:33 PM
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If god is pure love then how can he judge people and cast them into hell? Surely a god who is pure love could not even have any concept of evil.

God has provided the way to escape hell, Jesus Christ. People choose hell when they reject Christ. He knows what evil does because He knows everything.

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Yngwie
Yes there can, but saying I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG...is disrespectful. Just because there are absolutes does not mean you are right. All I am saying is when you come on to a subject such as religion you should lay it down slow. Let everyone have his/her own. Say "Well I think..." not "Well I KNOW"...

So the difference between well I think and well I know is one word. If a Dr. was talking to you about a known cure for a disease you had wouldn't you want him to "say I know this treatment will work." It seems this is an awfully fine line . I'm thinking it's because it's the Bible, that people get so easily bothered. OK, I have a question, this is for anybody. You've probably heard of the "rapture of the church." I believe there is more than enough evidence in the Bible to prove that it is pre-tribulation. There are obviously some on this site who aren't christians, wouldn't you want christians to tell you about it and how you can be part of it before it comes to the tribulation period. Seems to me if we don't have a confidence in what we believe it's not a belief at all.

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by jezebel
What makes you believe that the Elohim of the Hebrews is a different being than the Elohim of the Sumerians? The word 'Eloha' means God, and its plural 'Elohim' means 'gods'. Since the original Biblical text says Elohim and not Eloha, it was referring to gods and not a god.

Just a thought, but wouldn't Abram's name have been changed to Abrahim rather than Abraham if the Elohim put part of its name into Abram's name?

I don't know anything about Sumerians and their culture. What I know is what I've learned. The God of the Bible consists of 3 distinct persons yet they are one God. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This is hard for human minds to comprehend, yes even I can't completely comprehend it. The closest symbollic explanation I've heard is, an egg. It has a shell, the white and the yolk. Each can be seperated from the other, but all three together make an egg. Another part that's even harder to comprehend is when Jesus was on the cross He was still God yet at the point when all the sin of the world was placed on Him and he cried out"My God(Father), My God(Holy Spirit), why have you forsaken me, He was God but underwent a seperation from God. I don't know if anyone has heard of Ravi Zacharrias. He's a christian and Biblical scholar, he once debated someone who's claim was that the God of the Bible wasn't real. They debated for quite a while with each sticking to their own views. Ravi then asked the other man if he was walking down a dark alley in a major city at night and several men came out of a door and began following Him, would it make a difference to him if the men following him were carrying Bibles and had just come from a Bible study. The man agreed that it would.

Listen, I can't make anyone of you on this site believe in the God I do. I would like you to because I'm learning to love all people. Try getting divorced and having all the emotions of hatred for your ex surface. As a christian God is teaching me that you can't have those feelings for someone else even if they are justified by what the person has done. I had my own view of the God of the Bible for a long time and alot of the things I believed about Him were not who He was. If the Bible is from God and He uses it to reveal Himself to people, then I needed to read the whole thing. So I did. I know what has happened in my own life. The things I say aren't meant to offend so remember they are not coming from that angle. There are some awfully cool things in the Bible and it's so awesome when you find them.

James the Lesser

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 10:23 PM
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Hey, Christians, shove it! If I want to hear about all mighty powerful invisable people that live in the clouds I'll read the biggest fairytale book ever written, the bible. Sorry, but giants, walking on water, zombies, magic, all mighty powerful invisable people that live in the clouds killing thousands cause one person doesn't agree, virgin births, all things that can't be done/not proven. Sorry, I beleive in the Pebble People, also mighty powerful and invisable, but live in death valley and eat socks, not the clouds and kill people cause one person doesn't agree with them.

Also, Harry Potter/witches/magic are dif. Harry Potter is a fictional book. Witches are real, not the christian versions, but the real versions. People dancing in circles, performing rituals to raise their spiritual powers, chanting, so forth. Not the bs christians put out like broom flying and making posions to kill people or casting spells to harm people.

Christians, or the ones been posting here, act like donkeys. "I am right, you are wrong, join me, become a mindless automatron, become a sheep, let the child molestors lead you, I mean let the preists lead you. Move away from fun and free thinking and non-ignorance, stop thinking for yourself, become a sheep. Have blind faith, do not beleive science, we are the center, we are flat, zombies and giants are real, we were put here by all mighty powerful invisable people that live in the clouds, we must kill anyone who does not agree 10000000% with us.

Anyways, I'll take my leave now, bye!

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 10:36 PM
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Now see I just got degraded big time. I am not offended in what I just read, because I am grounded in what I believe and know where what he said came from. I actually hurt. Not for myself but for the writer. So let me guess, now after he reads this a worse response is coming.

TheCatalyst

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by dlbrandt
Now see I just got degraded big time. I am not offended in what I just read, because I am grounded in what I believe and know where what he said came from. I actually hurt. Not for myself but for the writer. So let me guess, now after he reads this a worse response is coming.

I've been reading your posts, and what I've found is that I don't think you realize the magnitude of what your posting. You even state the reason for your ignorance, is because of your strong faith in Christ. I respect that, but to an extent. dlbrandt, I consider you a fanatic. You worship Christ to the extent of declaring that those who don't worship or 'chose Christ' are chosing hell.

dlbrandt

posted on Jun, 17 2004 @ 11:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheCatalyst

Originally posted by dlbrandt
You worship Christ to the extent of declaring that those who don't worship or 'chose Christ' are chosing hell.

That's the choice everyone has to make now. Listen Jesus Himself said the gospel would offend some, because it requires you to make a choice. And it's simple anyone who wants too, can continue to live without Christ. That's your choice. There are only 2 sides, for God or against Him. There's no fence you can sit on.

illimey

posted on Jun, 18 2004 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by TheCatalyst
You worship Christ to the extent of declaring that those who don't worship or 'chose Christ' are chosing hell.

Yes, I do.

And I am utterly convicted of the validity of my stand.

Humanity (including you and me) is imperfect. God is perfect. As imperfect beings, it is impossible for us to make ourselves perfect through any actions, thoughts, deeds, words of our own design. As a perfect God, God knows best and has provided one, simple, free to all way for imperfection to be dealt with. That way was, is and always will be ONLY CHRIST.

That is my faith.

I trust with every fiber of my being that everyone else who reads this message will one day share my faith.

Arrogant? Yes.

Arrogance based on personal attributes/knowledge/intelligence? No.

My boast is in Christ alone.

My perspective on spiritualism, the occult, 'magic', and everything else remotely connected to the spirit world that does not acknowledge Christ as Lord is at best dangerous, and at worst, fatal.

That statement perhaps sums up why I started this thread. God is the author of all physical and spiritual life. Without God as your personal guide, the spirit world is a nightmare waiting to become reality.