President Obama is completely worthless as a president

Originally posted by Archirvion
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All this for the better of human kind. Sometimes sacrifice must be done.

If you are having the lack of facts, get out there and get it like the rest of us and stop complaining.

I don't agree with much of what you say as much of it is speculation, however, i disagree even more with your claim that "they are doing it for the good of mankind"...

They are doing things like this for THEIR OWN GOOD...not for the good of mankind...

William Pitt once said...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."

Another very smart man, H.L. Mencken, once said...

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule"

And yet another intelligent man, C.S. Lewis, once said...

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

reply to post by kozmo


I was reading a paper ( I think it was a link from ATS) about Obamas mass hypnosis techniques - nevermind hypnotising the U.S - hell he nerly managed to fool entire western nations - enough to recieve the nobel peace prize without doing anything!

I guess you could say he's more intellegent than W. but that only makes him more dangerous...
Actions speak louder than words - stop telling me how angry you are Mr Obama and DO something!

I'm not even an American (I'm welsh) I do spend alot of time reading and watching american media, I am appauled by the way this administration has acted on the 'big' things...

Obamacare was his own personal socialist agenda - although I feel that its potentially a good thing...if its anything like our NHS it should be seen as an asset -a health tax if you will? Which could be considered constitutional right? with regards to the 16th amendment? Afterall, it is potentionally being re-apportioned to everyone based on need.

Star from me.

And who do I have to blame? Myself. I admit, I voted for Obama. Why? I was hoping for something better than Bush. I was tired of Republican policies getting us into war after war. I wanted us out of Afghanistan and Iraq. I admit (now, ashamedly) that I voted for him because I was sick of the wars, and sick of the incompetence. But what do we get? MORE incompetence. WORSE than Bush, if that is possible.

"Incompetence"....Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

...from The Princess Bride

I miss George W. Bush....compared to this cretin.

No offense OP, but people like you elected him.. All you had to do was a tiny bit of research on him, his background, etc. But yet the obamites still cry and call us racist for not voting. You took the media bait on him hook line and sinker without doing your own research. How is that change working for ya?


Deebo

You are so ignorant its almost funny. Wait,it is funny. Almost like having a discussion with a caveman.

How am I ignorant? Explain?


Deebo

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
You people.

First its: Free Market this and that, end of regulation over here and over there. No oversight needed, let the businesses be. Small government forever xD

Then a crisis hits in which a corporation is proven to be irresponsible, money driven, and apathetic: OH MY GOD! OBAMA WHY DONT YOU PUT ON THE SNORKLE AND GO FIX THE HOLE!111!!!
Why don't you completely take over the situation at hand.
Why don't you commandeer ships and handle the crisis with the full power of the BIG BIG BIG federal government.


Hypocrites.

Government interference in markets can't reasonably be compared its response, or lack thereof in the case of the ecological disaster in the gulf- you trying to compare two totally different things.

Sending personnel to help in the gulf does not equate to stuffing money into the hands of a few fatcat bankers during an economic crisis.

Originally posted by DCPatriot

"Incompetence"....Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

...from The Princess Bride

I miss George W. Bush....compared to this cretin.

I think you will find the word was, "Inconceivable." Either word is appropriate for the current mess.

Originally posted by PieKeeper

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
You people.

First its: Free Market this and that, end of regulation over here and over there. No oversight needed, let the businesses be. Small government forever xD

Then a crisis hits in which a corporation is proven to be irresponsible, money driven, and apathetic: OH MY GOD! OBAMA WHY DONT YOU PUT ON THE SNORKLE AND GO FIX THE HOLE!111!!!
Why don't you completely take over the situation at hand.
Why don't you commandeer ships and handle the crisis with the full power of the BIG BIG BIG federal government.


Hypocrites.

Quoted for truth. One minute, he's being criticized for involving the government. The next minute, he's being criticized for NOT involving the government.

Its the same thing during the first year of his presidency. The right wing would scream "Where's the change, Obama?" while simultaneously opposing and voting down everything Obama supported.

Conservatives are looking for anything to grill Obama on, even if it means completely contradicting themselves.

He has been stonewalled by the GOP since day 1 of his presidency. While I am not in agreement with everything he has done so far, he is clearly in a catch 22 position. I wonder sometimes if he is pushed or stressed too much if he will appoint himself a dictator. In fact, some are encouraging him to do such with the gulf situation.

Originally posted by mothershipzeta

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by nikiano
He's talking about financial responsibility. He's bringing the leaders of BP into congress for cross examinations. He's talking about "kicking ass" on national television. But is he DOING anything about it? No.

He's not behaving like a president - he's behaving like a LAWYER.

He's actually behaving like a socialist. He's doing what he knows best: take someone's money and give it to someone else (after it goes through him first, of course).

And the "I'm gonna kick your ass and take your money" is the behavior of a schoolyard bully, nothing more.

If you consider expecting a company whose negligence caused a natural disaster to pay for the damage to lives, property and livelihood to be socialism, then perhaps you should look up exactly what socialism is.

Should Obama take over the wellhead and commandeer private industry's resources to clean up the mess? That's pretty much the textbook definition of socialism - taking privately-owned infrastructure and using it for the public good.

If Obama actually DID seize control of the drilling site, people like you would be screaming that it was a socialist takeover of private industry.

He has no constitutional jurisdiction to seize BP's assets. It is a private company. He could put into action a temporary receivership. BP would still continue to use their own equipment, expertise, and strategy. However, the US government would oversee all operations and change strategy if necessary, all of this until the leak is fixed. The only responsibility BP has, legally, is to it's shareholders, not the American public. Morally? Absolutely they have a moral obligation to pay for this spill and the clean up.

A look at the culture of deregulation, self-regulation, and corruption ushered in on Cheney’s underscores why the BP oil catastrophe should forever be remembered as Cheney’s Katrina.

SOURCE: AP/Cliff Owen

By Joshua Dorner | June 9, 2010

The Prelude to Cheney's Katrina and The BP Disaster Is Cheney's Katrina

Big Oil spent millions of dollars to sweep—and keep—George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in the White House. And it got its money’s worth.

The new administration and its staunchly pro-oil congressional allies returned the favor by enacting one of the most pro-oil, anti-environment pieces of legislation in history: the Energy Policy Act of 2005—itself based on the recommendations of Cheney’s secret energy policy task force. The Bush-Cheney administration’s cozy relationship with Big Oil, however, goes much deeper than one law.

A closer look at the culture of deregulation, self-regulation, and corruption ushered in on Cheney’s watch further underscores why the BP oil catastrophe should forever be remembered as Cheney’s Katrina.

The poster child for Bush-Cheney crony capitalism
The mention of Halliburton likely summons for most Americans memories of the Bush administration’s infamous no-bid Iraq war contracts—and Halliburton’s subsequent efforts to defraud taxpayers and its fatal negligence in facilities it constructed for our troops. Halliburton’s main business, however, is providing services to major oil companies such as its potentially faulty cementing job on BP’s blown out well.

The company had an unprecedented opportunity to engage in self-dealing and create a regulatory climate favorable to its business interests when Cheney, Halliburton’s former CEO, was ensconced in the White House and still effectively on its payroll.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 has come to be known as the “Dick Cheney energy bill,” but there’s one provision that is so closely identified with the former vice president that it has become known as the “Cheney loophole.” The provision in question, Section 322, exempted hydraulic fracturing, a drilling process invented by Halliburton commonly known as “fracking,” from the Safe Drinking Water Act.

The use of hydraulic fracturing has opened up vast new reserves of domestic natural gas from Texas to Wyoming to Pennsylvania, but serious environmental concerns about the process have been raised following numerous cases of groundwater contamination after nearby drilling. The exemption has placed the burden to rein in drillers largely on state regulators that are often unable or simply unwilling to police the thousands of wells that have been drilled in recent years.

Cheney not only offered permanent regulatory relief and rolled back existing environmental laws to help the oil industry. This particular example also demonstrates the administration’s willingness to distort science to benefit Big Oil and others. A 2004 Environmental Protection Agency study declared that fracking posed no significant threat to drinking water, thus paving the way for Congress to pass the Cheney loophole. The integrity of the 2004 study has been called into serious question, and a broad new Obama EPA study on the practice is raising the ire of the oil and gas industry.

The one exception to the Cheney loophole was a ban on injecting diesel fuel into wells. Yet a recent House Energy and Commerce Committee investigation revealed that the drilling companies violated this single restriction with impunity during the Bush-Cheney years. And oil and gas interests have launched a public relations and lobbying campaign to prevent Congress from closing the Cheney loophole or imposing other regulations.

There have been two serious accidents involving onshore natural gas wells in the past week alone. A Pennsylvania well had a blowout and one in West Virginia exploded.

One of the 2005 Energy Policy Act provisions that is most directly related to the BP oil catastrophe is Section 390, which dramatically expanded the circumstances under which new drilling permits could be approved without further environmental reviews or assessments under the National Environmental Policy Act. Many appear to have been approved based almost completely on responses to yes or no questions on pro forma checklists.

The Minerals Management Service approved BP’s blown out Mississippi Canyon 252 well using just such a “categorical exclusion.” BP was even lobbying to further expand use of such exemptions just 11 days before Deepwater Horizon exploded.

And expanding the use of such exclusions for onshore drilling is potentially devastating for some areas of the Intermountain West. A 2009 investigation by the Government Accountability Office found that the Bureau of Land Management, the agency responsible for issuing drilling permits on federal lands, engaged in widespread abuse of categorical exclusions during the final two years of the Bush-Cheney administration. The report stated that the use of so-called “Section 390 categorical exclusions” created by the 2005 energy bill was “frequently out of compliance with both the law and BLM’s guidance.”

The GAO report found that the BLM approved nearly 6,100 permits from 2006 to 2008 using the new exemptions carved out by Cheney and his congressional allies. Field offices in Wyoming approved 2,462 such permits. In fact, the Pinedale, Wyoming BLM office alone granted an extraordinary 1,498 permits using Section 390 exclusions. This is more drilling permits than there were residents of the town in 2000—1412. Ground level ozone levels, largely related to the drilling boom in the area, measured in the tiny central Wyoming town have at times exceeded those of downtown Los Angeles. Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar luckily announced onshore drilling reforms in January 2010 designed to end the abuse of Cheney exclusions on public lands.

But dramatic budget cuts and a lack of resources meanwhile prompted the BLM to briefly impose a moratorium on all new solar energy permits in 2008. The moratorium, which some argued would’ve killed the nascent solar industry, was eventually lifted after a massive outcry by industry officials, congressional leaders, and environmentalists.

A mile high at the Minerals Management Service
The culture of corruption and ethical lapses across the entire Bush-Cheney Department of the Interior is well documented. But the Minerals Management Service appears to have experienced a particularly stunning depth and breadth of corruption and simple incompetence. GAO reports have documented almost unbelievable allegations of drug use and improper relationships, payments, and gifts between Bush-Cheney-era MMS employees and the oil and gas industry that they were charged with overseeing.

The most recent GAO report, detailing problems in the Lake Charles, Louisiana office of the MMS, notes that the report’s findings were turned over the U.S. attorney for the western district of Louisiana in October 2009 and that the office declined to prosecute any of those involved in what would plainly appear to be numerous violations of the law.

The U.S. attorney for the western district of Louisiana from October 2001 to January 2010 was Donald Washington. His official Department of Justice biography noted that he had practiced “toxic tort litigation,” “held a variety of positions with Conoco Inc from 1982-1996,” and “served as Chief Counsel for Conoco's Gulf of Mexico Division until his departure from Conoco in 1996.”

www.americanprogress.org...

[edit on 22-6-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Isn't blaming the POTUS for anything, in reality kind of like blaming the Gieko gekko if your insurance rates increase?

Wow... can't believe anyone can call Obama worthless when it was your fan boy bush that allowed the wells to be drilled in the first place

reply to post by hisshadow
You act as though a president runs the show...
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Well at least you admit you screwed up. There are still stubborn people out there saying he is doing a good job. But still what people need to do is SHATTER THE LEFT/RIGHT PARADIGM. Stop believing that there is a difference between rep/dem, it is the same shiv under the umbrella of the same important issues. When it comes down to it, both parties are crucial to sustain one another. Each would crumble w/out the other. Once you put the jab stab policies to the side, basically they are one in the same and if the past two presidents haven't shown you that then you are a lost cause. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. As for BP they funded both sides of the presidential campaign, more on the Obama side because they knew just like all of the world power elites knew he was the chosen one. Especially after all the zombies got wind of the coming change. Until the masses awaken to this truth we will see the same evil unconstitutional policies we are choking on today. We need to smoke the pests out of office and start fresh, beginning with NO career politicians. And there is obviously a darker aspect to this oil spill then we are being sold on, too many crooked deals leading up to the blowout, and that is why it is not being fixed. THEY DON'T WANT IT FIXED. They want it to be a global catastrophe so the U.N. can come save us, and everyone will beg for cap and trade and to nationalize every damn aspect of the gulf starting with drilling and oil. I am only 28 and have seen this coming, for all of you older folks it is time to pull your heads out of your asses and wake up to the destruction that is happening all around you. Do not wait till it knocks on your door, meet this # in the streets, and spread the word. Our Republic is under attack, party is over Baby PLumers, this has been on your shoulders for decades now. WAKE UP

Where is Dick Cheney?? Is he at an undisclosed location? It seems the oil spill has silenced him. I don't miss him, but it's curious he isn't talking right now.

Unfortunately Obama is what you get when people vote for a slogan and a speech maker and don't look at the man, now we all have to pay for it.

reply to post by aero56


Why would Cheney be saying anything, this is Obama's oil spill and cannot be blamed on Bush and Cheney, it is Obama's lack of experience or his ulterior motives which is allowing this spill to go on and on, just like not enforcing the borders until the republicans give in to his plan to legalize 12 to 20 million criminals, Obama will not do anything worht doing to the oil spill until the cap and tax bill is passed and a permanent halt to any drilling in the US is established.

reply to post by Hefficide


No its not even related, Obama should have taken charge and done everything in his power to 'plug' the damn hole, then he could have blamed BP all he wanted and charged them every dime they had. He is an inefficent leader and will be until he is voted out in 2012.

Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by Gakus

Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by Caji316
o coarse, he was a lawyer..He and his wife can not practice law anymore.....I wonder why? They gave up their right to practice...I think not......

Yeah they did. I am a practicing attorney right now. If I got a job in a different field, it would seem pointless to continue paying my state bar dues. That would be like renewing your netflix account when you're not watching any dvds.

You should know better than anyone showing bias in a discussion removes just about all credibility one may of had in that discussion.

Spouting things such as everyone in this thread having to be neo cons because they dislike a president you like(you're generalizing people for disagreeing with you) shows a terrible lack of intelligence. I suggest you get off that high horse, you really need to be humbled.

[edit on 22-6-2010 by Gakus]

If you want to humble me, consider doing it with facts and intelligent argument rather than baseless accusations, fear-mongering, scapegoating, impossible expectations, double standards, confirmatory bias and a lot of other big words that you don't understand. People are welcome to disagree with me but if they spout out politically-charged and opportunistic nonsense, I am going to call them out. This thread is one step away from the "Obama is the anti-christ" thread.

[edit on 22-6-2010 by andrewh7]

Lol, First of all I'm not sure who you think you are speaking too, but I do not "fear monger". You can view my post history to verify that.

Keep attempting to justify your own insecurities by lashing out at others. Now continue attempting to speak down to me, you look foolish.