Citizen's group taking border battle into own hands

At first, I was a bit incensed that America now relies on Nazis to defend it. Lo, how the mighty have fallen! Then, I got to thinking a bit more about it.

On 3 November, 1979, in the Morningside Homes neighborhood of Greensboro, NC, The Communist Party (can't remember if it was CPUSA or CWP) called out the KKK and Neo Nazis for cowards. Well, they weren't having any of that, and showed up, and proceeded to hose a bunch of communists gathered there. The only bad part was that the commies lacked the stones to back up their big mouths, and shoot back, so all the KKK and Nazis got away. Bummer.

That was 30 years ago, and Greensboro is STILL having a propaganda war over it. Just a couple of years ago, they had some stupid "Truth and Reconciliation" Council, modeled on some South African farce, that gave a bunch of propaganda points to the commies. The other side got their propaganda points out of the way during the trials. Not a one was convicted.

I see this situation, after a bit of thought, on a par with that. Maybe this time, the doper faction will have the stones to shoot back, ridding the world of some from both sides. I'm all for letting them kill each other off.

Now, since the US government has de facto ceded that territory back to Mexico, it really wouldn't bother me a bit if they waited until both factions got into place and started duking it out, then turned the whole area into an 80 mile expanse of radioactive glass and thermic mist. After all, it ain't no good to Americans anymore, having been taken over by, and ceded to, the Mexican dopers.

Meh. zap 'em all, or let 'em kill each other off.

Edit to add: Yeah, I'm equating the dopers and La Raza with communists. I see who's backing them here, and it don't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. They're all in the same camp.

[edit on 2010/6/18 by nenothtu]

Shame on our government for not doing more to stop these cartels! Arizona has had enough and people are rising up. How many times have they asked for help and got nothing? How many of the people in the state are living in fear every day of their lives? Whoever these guys are, they are determined to get rid of the drug cartels and protect Americans. I hope they survive and wish them well.

Hmmm, well if they want to be convicted of murder and land in jail with those they are hunting, well thats Karma. My guess is that most of them dogs don't hunt.

Copy this from another forum
azstarnet.com...

Here's the Arizona State Constitution


Article 2, Sections 20, 26, 28, 35.

Article 5, Section 3.

Now, in Article 2 Section 26...this is the text:

26. Bearing arms
Section 26. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.

This is an interesting part:

"The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired"

And then it continues on to disallow organized vigilantism.

The way around this would be for a lot of individual citizens with a lot of weapons to suddenly show up at the border at the same time, and just happen to stand next to each other.


This is the most interesting point I found:

Article 2, Section 20:

20. Military power subordinate to civil power
Section 20. The military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

[edit on 18-6-2010 by Gmoneycricket]

reply to post by mothershipzeta



Ok look, if you think I'm disrespecting any allied country of the U.S.
you got me all wrong. If you think I don't realise you purposely
going way off base in retort. You have me wrong again. The main crux of
my post was what our forfathers fought for all the way back to 1776.

It is all going to end up being in vain.
Even for Mexico's if you open your eyes wide enough.

I don't think the fallen should be forgotten so easily, bottom line,
All those who died before victory was even in sight.
So many victories and this is what all that comes to.
Obviously somebody at the top dosn't give a shiny glazed crap.

reply to post by ovenden


These clowns are just gong bring on a [SNIP] disaster. They have no idea what they're up against if they're thinking of the cartels (particularly since there's good evidence the CIA has already folded in the Sinaloa cartel into their new pipeline).

I live in California, so I'm well aware of immigration issues and while the cartels and their internal struggles are alarming and pose a national problem for Mexico and impose misery on the Mexican people, most immigrants who come from Mexico are families and hard working people. We tend to love them in economic good times, or at the very least ignore them, but when the economy goes down, Nativism and it's backlash goes wild. The immigrants aren't the problem here, it's Americans who seek to hire sub minimum wage laborers or bust unions in their companies and Mexican immigrants get the blame for it when they're just looking for what all of us looking for: a better life.

This is a long term dynamic in America. Here's a statement from Ben Franklin in 1753:

“The ones who come here are usually the most stupid of their nation. . . . unless the stream of importation could be turned. . . . they will soon outnumber us. . . . and all the advantages we have, will in my opinion, be not able to preserve our language, and even our government will become precarious.”

who was he talking about? Germans!

Now we have neo-nazi's armed and ready to protect our borders? NO THANKS. I hope the guard, the FBI or the Crips, for that matter show these guys a few things about weapons handling. Would serve them right. This is not a militia, its just a group of armed thugs wrapping themselves in a flag that could just well be swastika as stars and stripes. I count Mexican immigrants among my best of friends. As John Riley of the San Patricios (Irish who deserted the US Army just before the war with Mexico because they were weary of the beatings and abuse that Catholics were taking when the US Army only allowed Protestants to become officers and who forbade them from going to Mass): "A more generous and friendly people do not exist on the face of the Earth."

I don't need no stinking nazis protecting me.


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[edit on 18-6-2010 by burdman30ott6]

I haven't read through every page of this thread, but I hope someone else has already stated this...

THIS IS ABHORRENT! The desire for the continuation of the perpetual US vs. THEM cycle of violence has led patriotic Americans to overstep into realm of violent nationalism.

These people are National Socialists... in other words, a white hate group with a certain neo-Nazi bent, and yet so many of you are not only applauding their existence but actually consciously agreeing with their goal, which is the murder of human beings. Human beings, just like you, your parents, your children.

But, you may say, they are only going after drug runners and traffickers of people. Criminal types. And I say, where does it stop? The ideology these individuals subscribe already shows that they hate on the basis of race, and their Aryan-minded forefathers committed genocide. As much as I hate the nonstop slew of Hitler and Nazi comparisons, it is undeniable that a clear one can be drawn here. It may begin with criminals, but if this is allowed to fester, it will be human beings whose only crime was longing for a better life. And who says it will end there? How long till "legal" Mexican Americans are caught in the crossfire?

The cartels need to be stopped. But roving gangs of hatemongers is not the answer . We could always begin to decriminalize and legalize drugs in America...

So this band of brothers are socialist. Well Good luck and Happy Hunting! However Being socialist means you are anti Constitution and I will not render any support.

I swore an Oath to defend the Costitution against all enemies both foreign and Domestic. I agree that the border needs to be secured but not by a group that has racist roots.

I have a bad feeling about this one guys.

When you depoly to an area of operations you don't advertise it.

OPSEC anyone?

They are looking for a firefight and they will most likely get one. It's a shame really.

When this group screws up it's gonna be bad for all Militias.

reply to post by ghostpigeon


I realized the quote from Franklin and the next paragraph were positioned that they almost sound like I supported his nonsense. My mistake. Yes, we have neo-nazis, but that's nothing to do with what Franklin was throwing out. My point is, we're not speaking German are we, we haven't lost any part of our American life because those immigrants came here. They only helped build a stronger more vibrant nation. Germans were actually among the first to volunteer to fight the Civil War specifically to rid the country of slavery, when many American native soldiers were unconcerned with slavery but volunteered to fight to preserve the union only.

Originally posted by Helmkat
Hmmm, well if they want to be convicted of murder and land in jail with those they are hunting, well thats Karma. My guess is that most of them dogs don't hunt.

Yes heaven forbid we protect our borders...
from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Don't you consider mexican drug cartels as the enemy?

Article 5, Section 3:

3. Governor, commander-in-chief of the military forces
Section 3. The governor shall be commander-in-chief of the military forces of the state, except when such forces shall be called into the service of the United States.


Here it appears to me that if the Federal Government won't utilize the National Guard for the border, that the Governor can....at will.

Article 16, Sections 1, 2 and 3...address Militias.

reply to post by Someone336


Someone336, I'm with you on this. My previous post sounded like I invite whatever violence might be thrown back at these guys. I don't want violence against anyone, really. I especially don't want a lot of gun-toting wannabe commandos shooting families who might get caught in the crossfire, be they immigrants or residents. This is just stupidity and armed posturing and the last thing we ever need is the "minuteman" on steroids. I don't know how to do any stars and flags for you but you deserve a few!

If you include the Border and the Gulf of Mexico
It seems the President has lost control of the whole Southern United States!

reply to post by Someone336


It's not that anyone supports the Nazis, it's that, espically in Arizona, they are just exasperated with the whole situation. Pheonix is 2nd to Bogata in kidnappings, gangs like MS-13 and others commit crimes and then run across the border where Mexico will not extradite them, and they are the superhighway for the drug cartels who are assisted by the Mexican military.

Then there's the hypocrite Calderone who insults us in front of Congress (half of which applaudes him!). Mexico's immigration laws are very draconian (we could learn from that), yet he criticizes AZ's law?

The people of AZ want safety. They are called racists and reticuled for it.

Look, I don't blame the average Mexican for wanting to leave that despotic rat hole that Mexico has become, I'd do the same thing.

In the 1930's the intellictual elite wanted facism here as Italy and Germany was pulling out of the depression while we were in the Great depression. Despriate people will go to extremes when there is no where else to go.

Why else did the Germans fall for Hitler?

Wait for the economy to collapse, as it will due to the ficial policies of TPTB.

Where will people turn to then?

These guys really need to look at how to do this legally if they truly want to be effective.

They need to know where they can stop drug runners ... roadblocks in specific areas, private land, etc. And they should look into joining forces with local law enforcement to get deputized or something.

Seriously, these guys will just go to jail for murdering drug dealers or even someone innocent if they don't do this right.

Originally posted by ickylevel
They were just bored of hunting animals. Now they will kill people.

Man is the most dangerous game.
In Mexico that danger is multiplied by like 5.

Well...either these guys will be honored as heroic patriots or we'll later read soon that their heads are sitting on a fence somewhere in Juarez.

Either way, at least they got out of the house.

- Lee

Originally posted by Conqueror of Seth

Originally posted by Son of Will
reply to post by groingrinder

 

??????

Who said anything about Nazis? What, you think these people are just looking for an excuse to shoot some spics? My god, lay off the liberal propaganda. They're just as bad as the conservative propaganda was during the Bush years.

Uhh maybe it was the dude in the posted article who called himself a "Nationalist Socialist" AKA Nazi


Seeing the unyielding support for these nutjobs, and people like them who want to "secure the border" makes me genuinely fearful for what will happen the next time some racist conservative is elected president.

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Yet it was a Republican who freed the slaves?(Abe Lincoln) ALWAYS a republican agenda for a cleaner earth(protecting the wildlife was a republican issue before democrats decided to hijack it and claim it was only them who cared).

You really need to get educated on a subject before speaking. What is your IQ 70?

Unlike the democrats who allow former Klan leaders into their party, ROFL.

Heck by today's standards JFK would be called a conservative. You liberal morons just spew utter trash and honestly expect people with an intelligence level greater than an ape to take you seriously?

Absolutely disgusting.
AFK, I'm going to vomit.

[edit on 18-6-2010 by Gakus]

I believe this is just for media attention
Hilary said this, National Socialist Party response with this.
I live and pass the, do not enter for your own safety signs every time I go out.
The border Patrol was Parked at end of my road today and almost everyday since the shooting of Rancher.
The Feds are trying to keep us calm in my mind.
This is just the first time that the BLM has put up these signs between Phx. and Tucson.
The People are a little nervous as it is now that close to Phx!

reply to post by MCAinSTL


I understand what you are saying, and with family all across the South and South West regions of American, I can fully sympathize. Huge swaths have become a cesspool of crime and violence, but the last thing we need is to continue to add to it. Though you may not personally support the actions of these racists, I fear there are a great number of people who do.

People com here illegally from our southern border because of the impact of neoliberal economic policies on what is now a failed state. Reform the way the global economy works and Mexico and other second and third world countries will begin to turn themselves around.

But this is on;y part of the equation. By making drugs illegal, the US government allows the massive black market to continue and flourish. The whole thing reeks. There is ample evidence of our government's alphabet agencies working hand in hand with the various cartels of the southern nations from the 1980s right up until today.

It's all profit, every aspect of it.

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Helmkat
Hmmm, well if they want to be convicted of murder and land in jail with those they are hunting, well thats Karma. My guess is that most of them dogs don't hunt.

Yes heaven forbid we protect our borders...
from all enemies foreign and domestic.
Don't you consider mexican drug cartels as the enemy?

Hmm, did I say anything about not protecting the borders? let me look my statement over again...

Nope, don't think I did.

Perhaps I implied that these Nazis who are not empowered to take the law into their own hands would be commiting murder?

Let me look over that whole "murder" thing again. Yep indeed I was correct, it would be murder.

Believe it or not there are men and women who are empowered to handle this situation within the confines of the law. Now I will agree that the situation is complex and needs action but come on! Nazis vs the drug cartels!