Out of Place Artifacts and other things: Update and Review 2010!

reply to post by InSoul


This is called you giving up.

Until you can explain HOW it is impossible, you have failed to make a case.

The fact is you just keep stating the same: "Perfection", "impossible with that technology" and etc.


I've proven you wrong on all three.

Where is your case other than your opinion?

I don't just have an opinion, I have facts.


Want to know why these sort of things are world wide?

Because humanity is world wide.



One other fact: I've been to many places in this earth, even the pyramids. Know what I noticed besides the giant pile of rocks there? Everyone but our class was awestruck. I was not. Neither was our class.

That's because ignorance is bliss.

Go ahead.

Bliss in your ignorance.






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Has anyone heard about the 5,500 year ols shoe found? Is it just a really old shoe or is it a Out Of Place Artifact?
I bet the really cools stuff that is found we will never heard of it. I often wonder just what has been found only to be hidden away forever.

reply to post by fixer1967


Shoes are older than the modern human species.

so....

So if logically I had the tech to build pyramids and should be using the tech on something else...WHY are they there?

reply to post by RaymaNcouldbe


because the tech to build a pyramid is not antigravity nor advanced. It's just legos. If it was advanced, then logic dictates it would not be used for the sole purpose of a single pyramid, out of dozens of others. What, did they have a rent a month from aliens? ridiculous.

reply to post by Gorman91


ah ah ah ah

congrats you have discovered and solved all the mysteries and singular particularities about The Great Pyramid!
You have to make an essay about it...!! you have facts? Don't you think there are facts that you or anyone at the moment cannot dismiss?
You're a really good one...The Great Pyramid is a bunch of rocks...lol...that's an intelligent idea and notion...
but you know what...you have proven nothing...what you have is hypothesis, and all of them don't have enough evidence...
I will say again...go study a little more...research and read a bit more...
there's a lot of things about ancient civilizations that you need to know...but you already know it all...

The greater ignorant is the one that thinks he knows it all...

The great Pyramid and a lot of others monuments and artifacts are still unsolved and damn good mysteries...
That's right baby...digest that...

"...Like my friend Johnny Pineapple used to say:
Case F_____G closed..."



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reply to post by InSoul


It is a pile of rocks. It's quite a beautiful and precise pile of rocks, but still a pile or rocks none the less.


I will repeat.

North South Axis? Stars mark them. No mystery. That's why its perfect.

Moving the bricks? the wheel and some man power. This is shown in the fact that there are spaces equal in the space required for the men pushing the bricks to occupy as they go up the tunnels.

Shining stones? Shining stones. that's what they are. That's why they're called shinning stones. There is a crystal cave under them. As far as we know, they used them.

Ramps? Nope, tunnels.

perfect angles? the golden ratio.

Perfect leveling? water.


Do tell. What is the mystery? What is left? Or are you just desperately trying to hold onto some childhood joy?

I did the same thing with my teddy bear. Until I grew up and realized it was just a pile of fur. Quite exact fur, yes. But fur none the less.

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reply to post by coredrill


Indeed... but I forgot where I got it from must of been the Space Station private Skunk reserves... ithink.

But did not Jesus anointed with the forbidden fruits oil...Right?... but I can still pass a drug test how about you?

Is not an injection of Lab created courage not something a Warrior could use to take the edge off... maybe you should have a Beer('')

If the 300 could be defeated by just the one than what is the one's secret weapon that the 1 million didn't have and would you be humbled if the one said lets be friends and not find out?('')

Is there a war if there is no gas in the tank('')

The mystery is in the OP's topic post and so as in mine.

Please don't hate me for being ignorant to your Laws help me help you so I can become more powerful to help us all.

Peace Warrior of 300,

Mr X('')

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by fixer1967

 

Shoes are older than the modern human species.

so....

www.msnbc.msn.com...

edition.cnn.com...

It is either a "out of place artifact" or the history books are more messed up than we thought.

reply to post by anon72


Actually I bumped into that site over 2 years ago and it opened my mind not to the creationists point, but to the fact that that their where more anomalies that I have never heard off or about. There is just so many but I will stick to the Baalbeck. When I see that stone of 1500 tons called the pregnant woman or weeping woman, it hits me as to how and why would regular humans like us build something that massive and shape it and attempt to move it. I mean it would have been simpler to cut smaller stones shape them and place them with less effort and quicker time to get done. What does the leader know, if his designers (priests) and others say it's better to use the smaller stones and will get done alot quicker to show his or her "greatness" to the world. Why wouldn't he go with the easier option. I looked at the Massive gate at Baalbek and what I didn't know was that their was a small door to the left of the gate. Some would say that was access to the guards and whatnot and the massive gate was for large groups of people and animals to get into. But if I was a person building a temple or fortification, you don't want to have an access that is easier to break down (the small door on the left) than the massive wooden (possibly) door that the "gods" walked through.

Then the Cuzco Peru fort/base etc.. That is amazing also for a number of reasons. One, you can't have your cake and eat it too on this one. If they had the ability to carve and lift these multi ton stones, why carve stones to fit on top of other stones that are carved with half hazard 7 or 6 or whatever sided blocks. It would have been easier if they carved them into blocks about the same size and with the same cuts. So this way it would be a standard construction for the architects and the builders and they would have some control over what was being placed. Also it would have looked pleasing to the eye (we know that they could possibly do it since other indians in south america (Puma Punku which I don't believe was made by the Amara indians) showed they could build blocks as blocks and as interlocking blocks on top of that. I will post a link that is unbelievable at first if you don't think that their was advanced knowledge back then, but if you look at Cuzco and the theory it will fit like a glove. Cuzco looks like that it was built in a hurry and not for a long stay. What if they placed the blocks side by side fused them with a device or laser or whatever that could reach a temperature to make the rock melt but not melt to quickly to fill the gaps. Then they allow it to cool enough to shape it.

All over this planet from the middleeast to Europe to Laos (Plain of Jars), we have legends of giants or people of giant stature. Where they true giants or beings in things that made them seem like giants (machines, mechs etc.). What if beings in walking machines where used to help build many of these massive structures. Like Cuzco, it would pick up a block place it and someone or something would come behind it at start the molding/melting process to form a tight bond. Those blocks in Peru look like something built for a limited stay far away from home and once they where done in that spot, they left and left the fortifications. If you where in alien lands wouldn't the first thing you do is to build a fortification to protect yourself from the unknown and the known things that might get into your camp.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

reply to post by fixer1967


Well as far as I know, shoes were some of the oldest inventions. I revise my statement though. Pretty dumb of me. Shoes are one of those things that let us leave our natural environment (desert sands and dirt). SO the shoe is not older than our species. per se. It's older than behavioral modernity. Humans are 200,000 years old. We, as a member of that group of species, are only 50,000 years old. We are the ones that left, killed off or out competed everyone else, and went everywhere.

So the shoe is some 50,000 years old.

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reply to post by hoghead cheese


They wanted their gods or god to love them, or they wanted to impress them, or they just wanted to be remembered.

tucsoncitizen.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">A clue from 400 milion years ago

Maybe this can help bring you closer to solving the mystery of the Ages about the great Pyramids and Maya temples... Cheers to Naacal the true school of knowledge and diplomas of worth.

could it be the Fallen ones Alamo i speak of//??('')

Game on and the fox loose,

Mr X('')

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by anon72

 

I'mma calling BS on some of this stuff

First of all.

Here's 2 million pounds. K, thanks.

So please, do not say 2.4 million is impossible. Because we have done more. For quite some time too.

Second, the pyramids are known how to have been built. They did xrays and found internal structures. It's easy to build.

So please put to end these myths. It's tiresome.


Coming up next, I don't know how else you can date these things, which are none living, other than through Carbon and phosphorus. Some others too. But that's for living things. Rock is harder. And you can bury stuff there. SO I fail to see why these things could not be just dug in.

Besides that, language is interesting. It always is. And it is a known fact that various lost-at-sea voyages from Rome, Greece, and Egypt, found their ways to America.

lol yeah, i guess that's a good BS call since the romans had and left this technology lying around. gg

I think there may have been an open water way through the Arctic ocean in the ancient world.

reply to post by hatrick327


It is possible. However, realize that after the ancient times, there was what is knows as a medieval warming period. If there is ice there now, how could there be no ice there when it was colder?

reply to post by hoghead cheese


What an excellent post. I really enjoyed reading it (twice).

Your point about why did they use big rocks/stones when they could have easily used a bunch of small ones. Great. counter.

Star

Well, I suppose we can go over it again. The individual artifacts have been discussed again... and again... and again.

Originally posted by anon72

SUDDEN APPEARANCE:

Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed? A long preliminary period is not supported by archaeology.

Really? I've done some archaeology field work and I've *NEVER* heard that all cultures begin suddenly. They all have precursors -- but only archaeologists get excited over the fieldwork.

Before cities on earth, there was nothing. There was no transition whatsoever between the ancient civilizations and any primitive forebearers.

Sure there was. We're finding neolithic villages and settlements all the time.

They were at their peak from the beginning. : ...Great cities, enormous temples, pyramids of overwhelming size. Colossal statues with tremendous expressive power. Luxurious tunnels and tombs. Splendid streets flanked by magnificent sculpture, perfect drainage systems.

Uhm, if by "perfect" you mean 'human waste tossed out the window/outside the house, then yes. If by 'pyramids of overwhelming size you mean the small 6-8 foot mastabas that are far older than the pyramids, then yes.

A decimal system at the very start.

If history starts in China at about 500 BC, then certainly:
en.wikipedia.org...

Egyptians and Romans and Babylonians all used fractions.

A ready-made writing, already perfected.

So those early personal "chops" are just people too lazy to write?

A well established naming system (in which each Pharaoh had as many as five names).

So history begins in 2050 BC or thereabouts?
en.wikipedia.org...

Society already divided into specialist classes. An army, civil service and hierarchy minutely organized. A court exhibiting all the indications of well-defined precedence and form. Egypt came from a clearly established civilization.

It came from a much earlier city-state society preceded by a much earlier bunches of villages and farms and hunter-gatherers. You can still find their rock art and hearths and so forth in Egypt.

The only conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence is that,1 Each of the first civilizations appeared suddenly, already fully developed. 2) That a connection existed between them. 3) Their footprints led back to the Middle East mountains where Noah and his family left the Ark.

Actually, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the originator of the piece didn't bother to look at Wikipedia or to read history or news stories written in the past 50 years.

Check out this frist set of pics from Baalbek, Lebanon. Explain how they quarried this pillars, moved them and finished them?

Well, it *was* Heliopolis (so named by Alexander the Great) and turned into a Greek city after he conquered Egypt around 300 BC. The temple dates to sometime after 30 AD, when (as you'll recall) the Romans and Greeks had already built huge amphitheatres and the coliseum and their vast arched waterways.

They were the ones who started building that temple.
en.wikipedia.org...

This object is thought to be an Aztec artifact of some antiquity. (photo from mysteries of ancient cultures

Do you believe that these earplugs, made from obsidian, a fragile glass, were made by hand with primitive tools and sand as an abrasive?

Yes, because I've carved gemstones before. You can sand decent cabuchons with sand and water.

The kind of precision stone cutting and even stone transportation associated with the Egyptian pyramids cannot be explained by the use of the primitive technology available to the Egyptians. In fact, the technology of the older pyramids is probably beyond the Egyptians ability. The thing is, this "stone technology" problem turns up all over the world.

First we are told that these cities were perfect from the beginning of history and now we are told tell us that the technology of the Step Pyramid, the Red Pyramid, and the other 100+ pyramids (large and small including the satellite pyramids -- with all their errors) are beyond the ability of the people who built the great temple of Ramses?

The picture is from Sacsayhuaman, Peru, probably an ancient stone fortress in excess of 2000 years old. Some of these stones are 10 feet high or more. Notice their irregular forms. They have been fitted together in an extremely precise manner which we would be hard pressed to duplicate with modern technology; much less the primitive technology supposedly available.

The writer has little faith in modern technology. And, by the way, humans have been in South America for well over 20,000 years. So they did have 18,000 years and a number of archaeologist-known civilizations where stonework was done.

Found in California, the concretion in which these metal objects were found are thought by scientists to be 500,000 years or so old.

No scientist thinks it is that old -- at least, none of the scientists who study geology. Concretions form quickly, and things in caves get covered with limestone very fast. Next time you go to a "show cave" ask them how fast the stone forms over trails and so forth.

Thousands of spiral, screwlike objects sized as small as 1/10,000th of an inch have been found beginning in the early-nineties and are still being found by gold miners in the Ural mountains in Russia. These metal items found in depths from 3 to 40 feet are thought to be 20 thousand plus years old.

No, they're actually known to be hoaxes. We had at least one thread on this and how it was determined to be a hoax.

In 1944 Newton Anderson claimed to have found this bell inside a lump of coal that was mined near his house in West Virginia. When Newton dropped the lump it broke, revealing a bell encased inside.

(etc)

Again, people showed up with this stuff and said 'we found it here.' If I hand you a #2 pencil that I tell you I uncovered in a coal mine in a coal seam, I realize there are people who will believe that T. Rex wandered around with pocket protectors. However, a quick examination of the facts will show that:
1. The only ones who saw the find are me and my buddies
2. It's worth a lot of money to collectors
3. There's no evidence that T. Rex had pockets.

Same with this material.

One example is a stone (photo above) with inscriptions of ancient European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern languages; this stone was found on a river in the state of Kentucky in the United States. A similar artifact was also found in West Virginia.

Actually, it's one of several known hoaxes, some of which are attributed to Mormons (it's supporting evidence for the "Book of Mormon"'s version of history.)

Not only are the alphabets of historical interest, the content of the text is of considerable religious significance. Two opposing religions - Judeo/Christian and Pagan Sun Worship - are represented.

Since I know how to read Ogham script, I can tell you that the interpretation there is incorrect. "Chi-Rho" is not ancient but dates to 300 BC or thereabouts. And a round circle is not the indication of the worship of or mention of Ra. It's just a circle (and a really bad one, too). The correct spelling of the god's name is shown on the Wikipedia page, on the right:
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Byrd


Maybe you missed or didn't read but right after the opening statement I put this:

OKAY, now look, just look around the site before you start ripping it apart. There are many areas of coverage. I put the frist part in here: Sudden Appearance to get some attention. There is so much stuff in this site, some of it will be questionable-at best. But... enjoy. Check out this frist set of pics from Baalbek, Lebanon. Explain how they quarried this pillars, moved them and finished them?

Yes, I guess a lot of things have been discussed on ATS before but it doesn't mean it should never be discussed again. I learned a heck of a lot today. Like with your thread/posting.

A lot of us don't have the vast knowledge some members possess but it doesn't mean we aren't interested and just because someone determined it to be bunk etc doesn't mean it can't be review. I don't think so anyway.

Besides, I think you may have missed my intent. There are numerous pages of info at that sight. Even without their words/statements/articles, the Pics alone are awesome. Take a look at the underwater cities/structures area. I guess it doesn't matter what it written because I can see the object/item/building/road myself and come up with whatever theory I have and run with it.

I only put a few things in that I believed would catch the eye etc but all in hopes folks checked out the source site and made determinations themselves.

just because these artifacts are old, does not mean they couldnt make them. Ancients where not as stupid as we think. We went from caveman to computers...out of what? From thin air? How can someone go from a cave to thinking of something as computers, how can you even start and test a computer? Was what the first idea of a computer? Just because they are "ancients" does not mean they are dumb, they where probably smarter than us...i dont think aliens gave them earplugs...stupid