Out of Place Artifacts and other things: Update and Review 2010!

I have seen a few post recently mentioning Out-of-Place-Artifacts [OOPA] and it seemed to me that many may not be familar with this topic and/or what it is about. I didn't, not till about 5 years ago. The person that turned me onto ATS also turned me onto OOPA's-via this website: s8int.com... : OOPARTS
(out of place artifacts) & ANCIENT HIGH TECHNOLOGY. So, I went back to that website and was looking over it. It has been a few years since I saw it but many of the things I saw there stuck in my mind and I thought I would share some with you all in hops of generating some discusssion.

I did do a ATS search and found two priors. The first thead from 2004 died quickly with little fanfare or discussion. The 2nd one from 2007 is very different from what I am posting. So, take a look, do some digging and if you have some things you want to share-PLEASE DO. I think we need to spend a little more time looking backwards to help us move forward.
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SUDDEN APPEARANCE:

Are you aware that "ALL CULTURES BEGAN SUDDENLY" and were fully developed? A long preliminary period is not supported by archaeology. Before cities on earth, there was nothing. There was no transition whatsoever between the ancient civilizations and any primitive forebearers. They were at their peak from the beginning. : ...Great cities, enormous temples, pyramids of overwhelming size. Colossal statues with tremendous expressive power. Luxurious tunnels and tombs. Splendid streets flanked by magnificent sculpture, perfect drainage systems. A decimal system at the very start. A ready-made writing, already perfected. A well established naming system (in which each Pharaoh had as many as five names). Society already divided into specialist classes. An army, civil service and hierarchy minutely organized. A court exhibiting all the indications of well-defined precedence and form. Egypt came from a clearly established civilization.

The only conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence is that,1 Each of the first civilizations appeared suddenly, already fully developed. 2) That a connection existed between them. 3) Their footprints led back to the Middle East mountains where Noah and his family left the Ark.

OKAY, now look, just look around the site before you start ripping it apart. There are many areas of coverage. I put the frist part in here: Sudden Appearance to get some attention. There is so much stuff in this site, some of it will be questionable-at best. But... enjoy. Check out this frist set of pics from Baalbek, Lebanon. Explain how they quarried this pillars, moved them and finished them?

The Baalbek Monolithic Stones

There is no way that this stone can be explained by the science and history they teach us in school. No technology existing today could move this stone much less transport it from where it was quarried, nor lift it upon its 23 foot foundation.** (Actually, it appears moving such a monolith is on the edge but within current technology--Benjamin K., a Christian engineer informs us that Mammoet, and another company; Lampson Cranes-- & perhaps a few others have machines that could do the job.) The pre-existing stone foundation upon which the Romans built their temple at the site is 1/2 mile long on one side. No one knows who built it.

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Photo shows ancient stone hewn from single block and weighs at least 2.4 million pounds. No modern crane could move it.

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One stone left in the quarry, undressed yet. They are great, perfect rectangles.

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Back of the temple of Baal-Jupiter. Smaller stones of Roman date are haphazardly placed on top to form a medieval fortress. At the bottom of the picture, between the 2 trees, a man contemplates their size.

Ancient Precision Stone Cutting

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This object is thought to be an Aztec artifact of some antiquity. (photo from mysteries of ancient cultures

Do you believe that these earplugs, made from obsidian, a fragile glass, were made by hand with primitive tools and sand as an abrasive? These objects can only have been made with advanced machining tools. Look at them; less than a millimeter thick and perfectly symmetrical. And why did they need earplugs anyway?[/

The kind of precision stone cutting and even stone transportation associated with the Egyptian pyramids cannot be explained by the use of the primitive technology available to the Egyptians. In fact, the technology of the older pyramids is probably beyond the Egyptians ability. The thing is, this "stone technology" problem turns up all over the world.

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The picture is from Sacsayhuaman, Peru, probably an ancient stone fortress in excess of 2000 years old. Some of these stones are 10 feet high or more. Notice their irregular forms. They have been fitted together in an extremely precise manner which we would be hard pressed to duplicate with modern technology; much less the primitive technology supposedly available.

500,000 Year Old Spark Plugs?

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Found in California, the concretion in which these metal objects were found are thought by scientists to be 500,000 years or so old. On the left is the frontal view of the object which became visible when the object was broken (in search of fossils). It sure wasn't made by the ancient Greeks, Romans or Egyptians!

On the right is a side view x-ray of the obviously artificial object. The x-ray showed what looked like a spring on the end of the object simialr to the metal springs on modern spark plugs. If the object is truly ancient, the question is; "who made it?", if the object is really just a modern spark plug as some suggest, then the question of modern dating techniques is invalidated.

"20,000 to 100,000" Year Old Metal "Screws"

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Thousands of spiral, screwlike objects sized as small as 1/10,000th of an inch have been found beginning in the early-nineties and are still being found by gold miners in the Ural mountains in Russia. These metal items found in depths from 3 to 40 feet are thought to be 20 thousand plus years old.

ANOMALIES IN COAL AND ROCK

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In 1944 Newton Anderson claimed to have found this bell inside a lump of coal that was mined near his house in West Virginia. When Newton dropped the lump it broke, revealing a bell encased inside.

What is a brass bell with an iron clapper doing in coal that is supposed to be hundreds of millions of years old? According to Norm Scharbough's book Ammunition (which includes a compilation of many such "coal anecdotes") the bell was extensively analyzed at the University of Oklahoma and it was found to contain an unusual mixture of metals, different from any modern usage

fossilized human skull was found in coal that was sold in Germany (mid-1800s). A jawbone of a child was found in coal in Tuscany (1958). Two giant human molars were found in Montana (1926). A human leg was found by a West Virginia coal miner. It had changed into coal

The Red Bird Petroglyph of Kentucky; Evidence of Ancient Cultures in the Americas

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There is ample evidence that the ancient cultures were able to traverse the oceans and travel throughout the world. However, not only the specific details, but even the very existence of these voyages have been generally lost to history. Today we are fortunate that some evidence remains. One example is a stone (photo above) with inscriptions of ancient European, Mediterranean, and Middle Eastern languages; this stone was found on a river in the state of Kentucky in the United States. A similar artifact was also found in West Virginia.
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The significance of the artifact:

The fact that the stone bearing the petroglyphs was found on a river gives strong evidence that the ancient navigators could and did navigate to other areas served by that river: The Red Bird River flows into the Ohio River, which in turn reaches the Mississippi, which allows access to a majority of the area now comprising the United States. The Red Bird river is on a trail which leads from the Great Lakes in Michigan to the Gulf of Mexico.

Not only are the alphabets of historical interest, the content of the text is of considerable religious significance. Two opposing religions - Judeo/Christian and Pagan Sun Worship - are represented.

Well, there you have a good start into different areas of O.O.P.A's. I hope you can go to the site and check out it's numerous pages of oddities and unexplainables.
And, if you want to do some info on a good thread or more-a good place to start. Also to beef up or rip down things you may have heard about etc.

The one thing that does bother and perplex me is that not ONE thing indicates UFO/Aliens. Flight and odd appearing beings but- well, you be the judge. Take care.

Amazing thread.
About time there is something of relevance besides the local oil mess threads.

And for that, I give you a flag, a star and a

Good job!
Great read...

I am interested in the fact that this way of scientific testing could be invalid.
It would crush theories and age gaps, worldwide.

My research on bones found in coal will be the first thing on my mind!

nice thread. very well put together.

that siad I'm one those "have to see it to believe it" kind of guys. I just cant put any faith into what someone else says. I lie, they lie, its human nature. I HAVE to see it to believe it.

I havent seen anything yet....and thats sad

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S&F
This is what ATS is really about. Thank you for this find or rediscovery.
The red bird petroglyphs, spark plugs (glow plug for diesel) and the obsidian ear plugs are truly amazing as well as the other artifacts.

I don't think this is on any OOPAETS list, but in my area, there is a guy who attends my congregation, and has a pretty cool story about that.(sacred namers)

He was at a museum near here, and the had a big rock, like that one, in one area. The inscription that was carved into the rock was hebrew, in english it was YHWH. The only problem was, they had the stone upside-down. No one had ever told them this before, they just thought it was some strange indian artifact!

Wow. Amazing topic. Thanks for the information. I guess we all have a lot to know about history. I mean real history.

Thanks very much. s&f

good Post. But if you could have done more research on the items, it would have been better.
most of the subjects have been debated extensively in ATS before.
The Cosco Artifact is nothing but a 1920's Champion Spark Plug.

Here is a well written, detailed piece on talk origins as to why it IS a Spark Plug only.

Originally posted by Totalstranger
nice thread. very well put together.

that siad I'm one those "have to see it to believe it" kind of guys. I just cant put any faith into what someone else says. I lie, they lie, its human nature. I HAVE to see it to believe it.

I havent seen anything yet....and thats sad

I'm sorry to say that I have to doubt the voracity of your statement.

1) How many coal mines you been digging in to have even had the opportunity to see it for yourself?

2) Tell me some things that you DO believe and I'm sure I can point out that you haven't directly seen the evidence for them as well.

3) As people we accept what people tell us all the time (as long as it fits our preconceived notions) You wouldn't be able to exist within society if you didn't. Most people who don't are locked up in insane assylums, warranted or not.

So instead of making a fallacious argument, just state what you really believe. Something to the effect of
"I have a preconception that the modern paradigms are accurate and will only accept on face value what fits those paradigms without actually witnessing the gathering of evidence to the contrary myself. If I do not witness the gathering of said evidence (which I am in no way attempting to do) then I will dismiss the evidence out of hand."

Jaden

Originally posted by coredrill
good Post. But if you could have done more research on the items, it would have been better.
most of the subjects have been debated extensively in ATS before.
The Cosco Artifact is nothing but a 1920's Champion Spark Plug.

Here is a well written, detailed piece on talk origins as to why it IS a Spark Plug only.

Even if it is a champion spark plug, does that preclude the possibility that it was discovered as stated? For that matter, even if where it was found IS thousands of years old, does it preclude having been found there?

The answer is no. A possibility exists that natural time warps could move objects to previous places and times, even millions of years ago.

Please don't make the mistake of dismissing evidences without thinking, there's a reason we have noggins....

To quote Spock quoting someone else" If you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truth".

Without just cause to throw out the voracity of someone's statement as to where evidences come from, is the fool's errand, especially when your sole reason for doing so is that it doesn't fit your prescribed to reality.

Jaden

Nice thread mate.This is the kind of stuff I find really interesting.It really boggles the mind,especially those massive stones....just how did they move 'em? Cheers again!!!

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Hello Anon72. These objects have caught the attention of many people through the years. Almost every one has had it's provenance usurped to lend credence to the agendas of people seeking lost races (often white), ancient astronauts, superiority above indigenous peoples or proof of Creationism. In that sense, they are genuinely tools of one conspiracy or other!

I say 'almost every one,' because the 'Aztec' obsidian 'earplugs' are new to me. S8int are often careless about providing sources for their objects or links to references. In this case, they are typically cagey...'thought to be an Aztec artifact of some antiquity.' The image has no scale reference, we can only guess the size. They mention 'less than a millimetre thick.' Who knows? South American cultures did use ear plugs (in the ear lobes), but they are used to extend the sizes of the lobes for aesthetic reasons.

Of the others in your OP, there are very good explanations that don't lean on astronauts, aliens, lost races or Old Testament God.

The S8int site, as it's name implies, is a Creationist website...the owners believe in a 6 day creation of the Universe by God.

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Hence the thread title: Update and Review.

Please read the opening part again. I said it seemed like some people were not very familar with OOPA's and the stories etc. I only put that site as a reference. I noted two other threads that were previously done-but in a different manner with different results (I guess would be best to say).

I make no claims any of these things are real etc. I only put a sampling of what I saw that was very interesting from that site. I highly encouraged readers to go to the site and judge for themselves.

It really doesn't matter if they had been discussed before-they will be again. So what. Instead of what you wrote, why don't you try an give you thoughts and knowledge about Baalbek or The Red Bird Petroglyph of Kentucky.

What did you learn from the previous discussions as apparently you were a part of them. School us. Easier to be a ripper instead of a contributor I guess.

NOTICE: This thread is by no means intended to lessen previous discussions of said topic(s) but rather to give newer persons who may not be aware of O.O.P.A's and the related subjects, a heads up and/or a chance to dive into the world of O.O.P.A.'s so they can do whatever they wish with it.

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whats the need to get upset over a post, mate.
The essence of my thread/post is that you should researtch on the subjects thouroghly before posting them. As kandinsky posted before, S8int.com is nothing but a Creationsit website of the Michael Cremo Style.

I accept that the Red Bird River petroglyphs is quite interesting. But my question is why would the stone have so many old word scripts on it.? lets see how many scripts are there -

first century Greek
First century Hebrew,
Old Libyan,
Old Arabic,
Iberian-Punic,
Ogam,
Germanic Runes,
Tiffinag-Numidian.

What many feel about the petroglyphs is "why All these scripts on single Rock?". it is as if someone wanted to stress the importance of Pre-columbian contact with the Americas. On fact is true that The New world settlers did use the Stone marker as a evidence to force the cherokees out of the land citing that an ancient white race of men had settled the land and cherokees don't have any claim to the land.


This particular stuff was emphasized by the followers of the infamous "Barry Fell" (if you want to know more about Barry Fell visit Doug's Archaeology Site or you could ask Harte)

When photographs of the petroglyphs taken when they were in place at the rockshelter site are compared to those on the rock in Manchester today, it is evident beyond a reasonable doubt that many of the traditional Cherokee symbols have been modified. Followers of the late Barry Fell, a self-proclaimed "epigraphic" expert, interpret the now modified petroglyphs as the inscriptions of ancient Greek Christians, a throwback to Filson's 1788 argument that the Cherokee Nation has no valid claim to Kentucky because it was originally settled by an ancient white race that greatly predated them. Such interpretations are examples of pseudoscience and scientific fraud (see Ball 2006 and Feder 1999).

Source

Why would so many scripts be there on a single stone? if it had been just runes, it would have been believable. But when the perpetrators of the petroglyph hoax wanted more authenticity, then in their foolish wisdom, added whatever scripts that was possible. remember, the scripts do not convey any meaning. Just some random words. It is as if someone has copied them on to the rock from other material, without any real meaning.

Overall view of the petroglyphs is that they are a hoax on the same line as the kensington runestone, batcreek Inscription etc.

I don't want to start on the Baalbeck temple issue. but if you would want me to , i would do so tomorrow,with valid justifications as to why baalbeck is nothing but a Roman temple, no a space ship station or an OOPART building.

Have a Nice Day.







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I had the same conclusion from reading The "Marked Rock" in Manchester, KY Page 1: The Rock. Pages 2 and 3 are good too.

Baalbeck is a great account of man's ingenuity, but it's a lot to explain. It's at least a thousand words with links to make it understandable on a forum. Plus you'd need to add background to Roman presence at Baalbeck and their methods of monumental construction. I began writing an easily understood explanation last year and realised it could take a couple of hours. People will still say it's 'impossible!'

I've got a link to a google book that might help. It details windlasses, carving, ground clearance etc. If I can find it, I'll u2u it.

wow.. ALOT o those are brand new to me..

thank you for sharing..
Im off to do several hours of reading.. 8-D
and my wife thanks you.. lolol

Hey Anon I just bumped a thread from 2006 on Rockwall Texas. You should check that out. Very odd. SnF

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regarding the "Ancient nanotech screws and bits" found in the Narada River in the Urals by goldminers balah blah....its been so many years i have been searching, i have not found a single page having a scientific analysis of the materials or a peer review of the findings. This makes the objects worthy of a Hoax category.

what do you say?

To the OP, most of the pages having details of the Ancient nanotech screws were all either Ancient UFO/creationist/Time-phase-shift websites.
There is not a single scientific analysis of the matter or the objects. No documents indicating the so called "dating" of the materials. Where is the UPDATE on these ancient Nanotech?

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Now that's what I'm talking about. GREAT posting.

You bring up an excellent point about the different carvings/symbols etc. See, you helped out a noob already. Thank you.

Please, I would love to hear your thoughts on the Roman explanation-seriously. Those rock/pillars are probably the most that stuck in my mind since I first read about them.

If I am not mistaken, the pillar in the picture was abandon due to a crack that developed near the completion of it- that would suck. I can take about every theroy I have heard about ancients being able to cut massive stone but it is the moving of and them placement of them that blows my mind.

And as far at the site being ran by Christians. So what? I don't care if the devil was running it if the info in there is good etc. The one problem I did notice with the site is that there is no feedback section (that I coud see anyway).

They don't hide who they are etc. matter of fact, that is why I find the site interesting as they clearly indicate they don't believe in Aliens etc. If anything, I think it shows that different human races existed on the Earth before us.

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The large stone in Kentucky is very interesting to me. I would like to know more about it and visit where it is at.

It does show the possibility of peoples visiting the New World for quite a long time before Columbus ever set foot.

Thank you for the post and research.

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Then my friend, the O.O.P.A's thread from 2007 has your name all over it.

It was done by PPLwakeup: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now, I only direct you to it. I make no claims as to what is presented.
Have fun.

Hint: You maybe correct. It is suggested at the other thread that the Chinese had already full explored North America, way before Columbus came along.... have fun.