Go Back To Sleep!! If You Aren't Doing EXACTLY What You Want To Do...

"TPTB" don't have to be some super-secret group pulling the strings of life. The term "TPTB" is ambiguous and could simply point to the influence in question.

I think it's safe to say that nobody knows for a fact what influences act on our socioeconomic stage. Because of this, "TPTB" is a good place-holder for variable that is discussed here on ATS with much vigor.

I happen to use the term a lot because I realize that everyone has their own interpretation of what or who those influences are and instead of getting bogged dow with arguments of what may or may not be, we can focus on the subject at hand in an effort to deny ignorance.

I think the term is a perfect place-holder for an unknown variable, that of which pulls the strings of life, whether it be one small group of people, money plain and simlpe or even a decentralized power structure of people who are in no way connected.

Just my 2 cents.

--airspoon

I think the point of the original thread was to keep your eyes open, and DO actively fight what needs to be fought, but what good is it if you're just sitting there, encompassed by your hatred? We shouldn't be ANGRY( ) because that gets us nowhere and is detrimental to clear thought, but we should be clear-headed and light-hearted as much as we can so that we can do our best to fight our battles.

I think that sums it up... or so.

A nice piece of writing. Passion is a good thing.

I take 'the powers that be' to mean a cadre of industrialists and financiers at the top of the social strata. Rockefeller and Rothschild are 2 names that come up quite frequently. I do believe there is a class of people who need not fear the laws of men and just do whatever they want.

People are prone to emotional/mental problems as well as stupidity; true for even the strongest and smartest among us. Unfortunately civilization requires elitism. So we end up with leaders who can't help but be confused often to the point of being treacherous. It would be hard to identify with the hoi poloi when one is constantly looking down at them.

A person can always control what they think but often they can not control how they feel. I guess what I am trying to say is that it is easy to lose one's composure. I don't like it when people get snotty with me but I understand none of us is perfect. We all have problems and sometimes they can get to us.

As far as the world situation I think we all just have to let the catastrophe play itself out. Hopefully we will survive. But as of now I can not see any remedy cultivated through human endeavor.

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Bravo! Beautiful post. Very well written. Thank you and you are quite right. I am not doing what I want now, I now do what I must. But I have a date set on my calendar, freedom is at hand. I shall then do what I want. I will finally claim sovereign. The usurpers and pretenders shall scatter from beneath my banner,, the craven lot of em. I will regain my throne, finally King of the country of my consciousness. Much Love to you dear reader

Thank you

I'm glad somebody said this.

I've been meaning to since I saw the thread saying we who are angered by what has been going on are the ones being fooled. Just stick your head in the sand and think happy thoughts and everything will be ok.

Well it won't!

Those that have opened their eyes throughout history have been the ones who have taken the steps to better the future. Not the lame duck lazy leeches who refuse to believe anything is wrong until after brave souls took the action needed to fix our world.

It reminds me of those who supported the Catholic church while they imprisoned and executed those who looked outside their rule of law to find the answers. Great men like Galileo were silenced by the church while the church's supporters sat by wagging their finger while saying he should never have challenged the church's authority. Well I remember Galileo's name, do you remember his critic's names?

But after all was said and done those same people reveled in the freedom and progress men like him brought to them, all the while never admitting they were too cowardly to be one of the cogs in the engine of improvement.

So for those of you who spout your rhetoric of just keeping your mouth shut and burying your head in the sand I have this to say to you; We will continue forward. We will continue to open our eyes. We will not except servitude or slavery at "TPTB." We acknowledge that authority over oneself is by choice, that it is a contract entered into free of will, and that at anytime we can chose to revoke that authority. That no man is ordained by god to rule over another man. That we are all created equal by our Creator. That we will fight for our freedoms when it comes down to it, and yours by proxy. And even if that was not the case we would still fight for your freedoms, even while we risk our own. We do not expect your gratitude or appreciation, but we do wish you would quit leading others astray.

So in the meantime go back to sleep. Dream peaceful dreams and await for those "PTB" to go away on their own. Seek your denial, your bliss in ignorance. And when you come out of your slumber I hope we have brought back the world from the edge of the abyss it is resting upon.

But when you awaken you do have one obligation. Your job will be to tell of the great men who dared to take a stand. Who made the sacrifices, so that you would still be here to tell of the truth and what it took to afford you the privilege of speaking such.

And thank you OP for refusing to let that truth be swept under the rug.

[edit on 11-6-2010 by Mikey Sly]

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I apologize, for that was not what I took out of your post.

Apparently I was not able to see your underlying meaning.

While I agree with you that it is imperative that we see the positive as well as the negative in every situation we must stay vigilant in our efforts and not just allow the wrongs to right themselves.

I agree with the posts that say we are the stars of our lives. And by that token we must also take the responsibility in creating the positives out of a negative situation.

We all have potential, we all have the ability to make our names known for bettering the world.

It is unfortunate however that so few people can see that in themselves anymore. They have become so disillusioned that they feel that they are powerless so stop any injustice.

But if we are willing to make the decision that we will not be silenced and that we will stand up for what we believe is right, we all have the power to be the next great hero of mankind.

The flaw in this OP is subtle, but fundamental.

ATS is not the general public. ATS is the grand central station for the select few people who have a calling. ATS members are different from the rest.

This calling comes from a heightened sensitivity to a wide spectrum of human events/stories that either go unnoticed in the main stream media, or get twisted by the mainstream media to maintain the status quo. So when you have this major crossroads of humans from many nations discussing such a wide variety of information and cutting insights, there is created a competition for their stories/views to become noticed out of the crowd.

While it is true that you will see the most competitive of those stories ripe with hyperbole, if you take the time to read through the threads, there is almost always voices of reason, and they usually get recognized with "stars" ratings from the members and "lurkers" (people who don't post, but read and rate).

The cry of "Wake Up!" the OP rakes on isn't a cry of appeal for ATS members, because we are all awake. It's a cry for us to wake the general population up from their slumber. The people who don't come to ATS.

We are awake, it is our job to awaken others.

I'm tempted to make a thread called "Wake up or sleep? Why not do both?", but the last time I made two popular threads turn into a trilogy, I got all three threads moved to BTS.

Personally, I think that one's awareness state should be similar to one's sleep cycle. Some people like getting 8-10 hours of sleep, but others prefer 5-7. However, despite one's awareness state, one should never do either 100% of the time. Sleeping all the time will make your drowsy and in a fog, but being awake and never sleeping will put you on red alert 24/7 and degrade your ability to think clearly. I know most people on ATS know how to balance, but just like how people can ignore everything in the world, there are people who spend every single waking second on conspiracy theories. Alex Jones is one example that comes to mind. Whenever I listen to a radio show of his before he take a mini-vacation, he sounds like a ranting lunatic and says crap out-of-personality, but as soon as he comes back, he has his game together and is focused.

Are we not aware of what this is? Are we not aware what purpose politic have? Are we still believing that we actually can solve anything trough any sort of political way? You know, what is this whole thing? What is this based on and what is the one and only thing we are arguing about? Of course money, that is all. We need to put more money over there, raise the taxes, lower the taxes. Why do you think people are criminals, why do we have all this problem with recourses? It is a classic divide and conquer society, a slave society a pyramid society if we so want. Cant we see that if we try do some sort of change by using the methods of change that comes from the society, the only thing we will get out is, society's way of change. A spin, a twitch spiral it a bit. This is what we have been doing for along time now. We have this discussion now about Israels boarding this ship to Gaza, or two ships two Gaza, and what is happening there? Well people killing people, that is what happens. Over what? Well money, and some sort of illusionary believe in that someone or something actually can claim anything from this earth, can claim anything from someone else. Where is the perspective and understanding of our birth? Who are we? Where are we from? Is there any need at all to be fighting? To kill? Well you know, no not at all.

In the beginning when we did not have all this technology and actually profound intelligence on where the recourses are and how to use them there was some struggle and we needed to actually fight to even survive. There is no need for that today, at all. And you know why, because we have all the recourses we want, all the technology we want to have to provide this earth with food, water, energy, somewhere to live and a transportations system that will connect the world instantly. What is the only problem to this? Well you know, money. And if we still believe that you or someone else has any guilt or you know in it, # it dont care about that. Care about yourself, care about the ones you love, why? You create your own reality in the way you want it to be, in the way you want it to shape. You/we are doing it now, it is all we are ever doing, creating, changing.

This politic arguing thing we have dont work so well, why? Because you create YOUR own reality in the way you want it to be in the way you want it to shape. To even claim that you have some sort of right or wrong answer, some sort of good bad thing, its ridiculous, why? You are only giving YOUR way of looking at things, a subjective thought based on your experience. That is your truth, not mine, not your friends, not your moms. It is what you are thinking and believing. And we need to start see it as that. Why? We are all humans, that is all. And we are all one, hard to really get away from that. Why do you think it feels bad to hurt someone? Or for that matter why does it feel good to help someone? This is who we are and we dont need more of this illusion, more if this #ing crap that we are caught in now. How to do something about it? Well its you that its all about, and believe it or not you are universe child. You are the creation of it, you are the whole thing, everything. And that really means everything. And how to deal with the "reality", what about put some love and respect into it? What about try to understand? Without any resistance into it, like moral, normalizing, limiting, marginalize, fear, anxiety, division etc. Negativity is something we really dont need to have, why? What does it give you?

This is of course no right or wrong thing, no claiming of any sort, but I really do think that it is time to let this arguing just vanish, this pain, suffering, panic. Let it go and let some love into our life again, lets give ourself the chance to actually understand everything. And we need to start seeing universe as it own consciousness with actual ways of of dealing with problems, such as eveything killing everything.

/InOurNature

I fully agree with this. Optimize your life!!

This is among the most ironic paradoxes that riddle this site. As more and more begin to explore their critical minds, more and more lash out that they are doing so because it is the will of the ‘powers that be’ that is controlling their critical thought.

This site, this place of freedom of expression and free thought, should not be dictated by such a people. While I commend and appreciate the views of such, it is such that continues to show up when one finally begins in their endeavor of exploring themselves through debate and discussion.

When one ‘wakes up’, it is not always to what is going on around themselves, but quite possibly that they are waking up to their own mind. Through such self revelation is what sets us apart from every other living being that resides upon this planet, for better or worse. Being able to critically examine and dissect a topic, a conversation, a thought, places the human mind above all others.

Yet, there are those that will continue to exhibit this to be a grand plan of the ‘TPTB’. With no backing, no evidence nor support for those that question such a notion.

Personally, I examine and think about a post before I post. I may have from time to time, exhibited a knee jerk reaction, but have usually returned with a more reasoned and thought out response.

Do not let others that proclaim your ‘awakening’ as a plot of those that wish you to portray such thoughts and feelings make you think you are only doing so because they are the dictate such.

Be or become a free thinker! Question what is around you with a discerning mind.

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Be or become a free thinker! Question what is around you with a discerning mind.

Absolutely! Be or become a free thinker indeed! We can only question with a discerning mind while we are awake, and our discerning mind functions best when it has had the necessary rest it needs. Wake up, go to sleep, do what is necessary, but be at all times, be free doing it!

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I forgot my quote for such a post. One from the famed poetic writer William Shakespeare,

“To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

It is this line that I had to deliver as a younger man that has stuck with me to this day. It is such that gives me credence to carry on and push forward as I do not want to think that I am just a poor player, but rather the engaged writer of my life. I shall not succumb my life to being that of a play, controlled by others; dictated to carry out their ideals and goals.

While we may only have a brief period upon this great world stage, we can choose to be the puppet of our ‘masters’ or be the Pinocchio of our times and break free of the strings that may or may not bind us to the will of the elusive ‘Powers that be”….whomever they may be……

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That is the great question no? Is us becoming aware the grand design of others? Is the awareness only manufactured to meet the goals of a nefarious cryptic group? Or is it the experience of being man to be able to think freely for ourselves?

Is that not what was accomplished via the formation of the United States….or at lease attempted by it?

I refuse to succumb to the notion that my own thoughts are the product of such a group dictating my thought, but rather that my thought is a product of my ability to question all that is around me.

On the other hand, we call a circle a circle, because that is what we are told it is. Does that logic carry to other aspects of our lives? Meaning, is freedom only defined by those that have previously defined freedom? Or does freedom hold different meanings to different people based upon culture, life experiences, and freedom of thought?

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On the other hand, we call a circle a circle, because that is what we are told it is. Does that logic carry to other aspects of our lives? Meaning, is freedom only defined by those that have previously defined freedom? Or does freedom hold different meanings to different people based upon culture, life experiences, and freedom of thought?

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. Language is a form of agreement, and in the English language we begin with the letter A. In formal logic, one can not get to C if there is no A and B preceding it. There can be no such thing as freedom if there wasn't slavery or bondage to begin with. For every person who aspires to freedom, there is what we now call "The Stockholm Syndrome", and there will always be sycophants. There will always be those with untoward ambitions who fail to realize the simple concept that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

We agree to call a table a table and a chair a chair, even though one can sit on a table and eat off of a chair, but in the end, whatever we call things, whatever alphabet we rely on, A is A, and will always be A.

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It is not so much that they control us as they know how we react to
certain situations, and they manipulate events to help things
happen the way they'd like to see it.

They get set backs like the hacker exposing the global warming
emails as a fraud, but billions of ppl thought those scientists
were telling the truth.

It appears like a lot of ppl they too were corrupt.

All the questions and unexplained issues involving 911,
and the obvious lies revolving around it.

Why some news that is totally irrelevant gets lot of coverage
and camera crews are threatened with arrest trying to film
the oil spill.

It becomes more clear that freedom of the press is manipulated.

The georgia guidestones standing there for decades and no news
agency ran a story on them til recently.

CFR, Bilderberg, Trilateral commission, Club of Rome.

They have 100's of billions of dollars some one wants to tell
me they have no influence on events or "manufacturing consent" ?

I think I will agree with Chomsky on the consent issue.

By all means do what you want and be what you want, but
just like in germany in the 1930's there are some ppl in the
world who do not have the kindest thoughts for you and yours.

Take Mr. Pianka for example.

Mims-Pianka Controversy

My favorite part of course:

Pianka argued that overpopulation since the onset of industrialisation was destroying the planet[1] and that the Earth would not survive unless its population was reduced to one tenth of the present number. He suggested that the planet would be "better off" if the human population were to crash, and that a mutant strain of Ebola (which has up to a 90% mortality rate) would be the most efficient means. After he finished his address Pianka was given a standing ovation. According to science writer Forrest Mims "some even cheered. Dozens then mobbed the professor at the lectern."[2].

So, ask yourself if you still think all ppl are sane.

The answer of course is no.

Good Luck to you all !



[edit on 12-6-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

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The point I, and others in this thread are trying to make is that it is insane to abdicate ones personal power and hand it over to those people who are clearly insane.

You mention climategate as an example of a set back for those that are "they", but you don't mention it to point to any global awakening, but rather to dismiss the event as a temporary set back for those you seem to willingly abdicate your own power to.

You point to 9/11 and imply it was an event created for a power grab, but seemingly fail to recognize that this clear and obvious power grab generated a response that is obviously resistance. You claim that what makes them that are "they" so powerful is that "they" know how "we" will react, but "they" seem woefully unprepared for the global reaction to the power play made by "they" since 9/11.

You point to the main stream media as support of your argument that "they" are those who have the power and not "we", by pointing out all the irrelevant fluff pieces "they" present as news, but you seem to either be ignorant of, or ignore the fact that the MSM is dying, and dying rather quickly. Newspapers across the U.S. are failing at an enormous rate, and I have personally watched The L.A. Times go from a prestigious newspaper to a thin and tattered rag in the span of just a few years. I, along with many others, rarely watch CNN, MSNBC, FOXNews, or ABC, NBC, and CBS, any longer precisely because of their filtered "news" programs.

When I was a child, Walter Conkrite was heralded as "the most trusted man in America", now few even know who that man is, or was, and there are few who still believe he was as trustworthy as "they" would have "us" believe he was. Today, while there still may be "Dittoheads" and "Bill O'reillyphiles", or "Kieth Olberman fans", there are far more "John Stewart fans" who the MSM will wring their hands and wonder why people are turning to a comedy show on a cable channel to get their news, not understanding that it is because the "news" is viewed as a joke anyway, and most would much prefer to laugh at funny jokes rather than roll their eyes in disgust and groan at unfunny jokes. Thus, instead of turning to journalist hacks for jokes, they turn to professional comedians, as anyone who wants a good joke should.

You speak of freedom of the press being manipulated clearly ignoring the fact that there are thousands of alternative news sources available today that just weren't available to "us" a decade ago.

You point to the CFR, Bilderberg Group, The Trialateral Commission, (which is really just another part of the CFR), and the Club of Rome, as examples of powerful "elite" who have "100's of Billions of dollars" to support your own abdication of personal power.

You name drop Noam Chomsky, as many who would abdicate personal power tend to do, in order to complain about "manufactured dissent", as if Chomsky is some sort of cultural icon rather than the crafty linguist he is. Chomsky is no more in favor of your personal power than you seem to be, and would probably be quite satisfied to know that you are dropping his name in support of surrender to the elites.

You smugly pretend to support the idea of each person doing what it is they want to do, but clearly are against such an idea and point to Nazi Germany as an example of what happens when people attempt to resist the power grabs of a few lunatics. You clearly have no respect, or possibly are even unaware of resistance groups in Nazi Germany, such as The White Rose who most certainly paid a high price for their peaceful resistance, but who showed such personal power and integrity that anyone who would dismiss their worthy efforts as useless simply because they ended in executions, only reveal their own level of integrity.

You point to the movement of those who are "they" who would depopulate the planet in the name of some twisted agenda, and in doing so either ignore, or are ignorant of the remarkable resiliency of people. You point to a small group of insane people in order to condemn humanity as being insane, and I would suggest that humanity as a whole has gone into agreement with insanity in the past, but these are different times, and that was then, and this is now.

We are here now, which is to say we are Now Here, which is to say, we are NowHere! We are the masters of our own destiny and if your destiny is to be manipulated by those who are "they" this is your choice. If you think the only sane answer to insane people is to agree to that insanity, this is your choice, and you will be doing precisely what it is you choose to do, regardless of how much you want to believe that what you chose to do was preplanned by those who are "they".