The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

The young men today, raised by women, have no respect for women.
It the past century little girls had hope chests, today, being raised by women the young men have "hope crotches" as evidenced by the baggy pants. They walk around with their penis in one hand and their umbilical cord in the other hand and look for one young woman to plug both into. And the amazing thing is the young women go for this.
The absence of a man in the home has perpetuated a spiritual confusion and disintegration for the young men.

Originally posted by gluetrap
I was blown off repeatedly until finally my husband realized what was happening and told him the same thing, he stopped immediately and acted surprised.

This part tends to lean toward a sometimes typical response (wording for political correctness)

On forums I often sign up using a masculine name.

Sadly - - It does make a difference in how respectful other posters treat you.


[edit on 12-6-2010 by Annee]

Originally posted by Annee
Considering the title of this thread: The Feminist Movement—Ruining The Image Of Men

And you calling it a "double standard". I don't really see the intent of this thread to be about Equality. Which they rarely are. Most of these threads are started by a man - who for whatever reason feels threatened - in some way.

The thread title is no doubt representative of the modern extreme feminists and the various inequalities men now suffer. Those inequalities have been listed but a short recap.

Women are favoured in custody proceedings.

Women are favoured in regards to finance during divorce.

Women are given "equalising" measures in various physical jobs.

Employers often have a set minimum number of female employees, meaning a man who is better qualified cannot get the job if they both apply.

Women on tv often make insulting jokes about the male gender and don't get in trouble, men making jokes about women do get in trouble.


That's a short recap but it does point out a problem with the modern feminist movement. It has been hijacked by some rather nasty women who are now abusing it to belittle men.

However it's interesting that you seem to think a man starting a thread about some important concerns is actually just feeling threatened and insecure, how utterly disingenuous. So a woman can start a thread saying she feels threatened by evil men but a man can't point out the obvious inequalities now being levelled at men.

Ok got ya, yep that's equal isn't it.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gluetrap
I was blown off repeatedly until finally my husband realized what was happening and told him the same thing, he stopped immediately and acted surprised.

This part tends to lean toward a sometimes typical response (wording for political correctness)

On forums I often sign up using a masculine name.

Sadly - - It does make a difference in how respectful other posters treat you.


[edit on 12-6-2010 by Annee]

Really? Because in online games i use female characters, i get treated much better i assure you

[edit on 12-6-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by gluetrap

Certainly in our house we have some roles that are typically gender defined, he as a rule will pick up or move heavy objects, and will remove the dead mice or birds the dogs bring me as gifts. I also do the cooking and a majority of the day to day cleaning.

I love to move furniture - its like therapy. I always load the truck for vacays - because I enjoy doing it. My hubby was raised in a house that did not allow animals - so he gets a bit squeamish in that area. I was raised next to a big open field in a neighborhood of mostly boys. I don't cook. My mom was disabled and did not allow anyone in the kitchen when she cooked. Hubby's family comes from Swedish farm stock - - food was a major part of his life. He does the cooking.

Gender roles? Or life roles?

I love raising children though. Got the Mother thing down.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by gluetrap
I was blown off repeatedly until finally my husband realized what was happening and told him the same thing, he stopped immediately and acted surprised.

This part tends to lean toward a sometimes typical response (wording for political correctness)

On forums I often sign up using a masculine name.

Sadly - - It does make a difference in how respectful other posters treat you.


[edit on 12-6-2010 by Annee]

Really? Because in online games i use female characters, i get treated much better i assure you

[edit on 12-6-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

That is interesting.

The forums I joined as a male were mostly political.

Originally posted by Annee


That is interesting.

The forums I joined as a male were mostly political.

It would be nice if you actually posted replies to my important points and not just cut up the post to something rather trivial.

However i'll share a little experiment i did a while back. I took an online game and i made two characters. The only difference was gender, on one char i pretended to be male and the other i pretended to be female.

After two weeks of playing my male char had 10 people on his friends list

After two weeks on the female char i had 28 friends. I also got treated a whole lot better, people helped me out in game more, gave me items for free etc.

Someone should really do a full scale experiment and publish a paper lol.

I used to move a lot more heavy things until I tore my rotator cuff three times in 4 years, it sort of put a damper on my furniture rearranging!

The responses the man gave me where fairly typical, that is why I shared the story.

I too love raising children and have the mother thing down, but I also don't mind sharing that role!

[edit on 12-6-2010 by gluetrap]

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984


However it's interesting that you seem to think a man starting a thread about some important concerns is actually just feeling threatened and insecure, how utterly disingenuous. So a woman can start a thread saying she feels threatened by evil men but a man can't point out the obvious inequalities now being levelled at men.

Ok got ya, yep that's equal isn't it.

Did I really say anything about the man who started this thread?

I referred to the title. And that the majority of these threads are as I stated.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
So not sure what you think we disagree on.

Annee said something about men explaining feminism or something and I said, "Yes, isn't it fun"? Giving the impression that I think men don't know anything about feminism. I was just being a bit nasty. That was all that I think we might disagree on. That it is justified to be nasty sometimes. Otherwise, you're right. We agree.

Yeah but you understand that using the word feminism when talking about equality for both sexes is actually a sexist thing, that is if we are to apply the equality term with absoluteness

Yes, in the most extreme usage of the word. But there comes a time when it gets absurd. Like saying that the word "chairman" is sexist. It's just a word. A woman can be a chairman of a committee. I think it's a bit ridiculous for her to insist on being called the "chairwoman".

reply to post by gluetrap


GREAT story! I can't tell you how many times I've experienced similar ones. I also learned to build the fire and I'm good at it. So good that my husband asks me to build it when we need one. He calls me the fire maiden... He also proudly brags to other people that I'm a better shot than him.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


That is an interesting experiment. But I think you're going to see far different results on a game forum than a political or other discussion forum.

Here are my suspicions about that. Most gamers are male. They want to help females in the game. They don't see them as competition, but they see other males as competition. The other female gamers would join with the female persona in solidarity. Could those reasons contribute to why the other gamers were generally nicer and friendlier to the female? Just some ideas.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by Annee


That is interesting.

The forums I joined as a male were mostly political.

It would be nice if you actually posted replies to my important points and not just cut up the post to something rather trivial.

However i'll share a little experiment i did a while back. I took an online game and i made two characters. The only difference was gender, on one char i pretended to be male and the other i pretended to be female.

After two weeks of playing my male char had 10 people on his friends list

After two weeks on the female char i had 28 friends. I also got treated a whole lot better, people helped me out in game more, gave me items for free etc.

Someone should really do a full scale experiment and publish a paper lol.

Sorry - - I am watching a 2 1/2 year old boy - while I'm sitting here. I grab hi-lites that get my attention.

There are other posters who are very good at in-depth discussion - - responding to individual points.

Originally posted by gluetrap

I too love raising children and have the mother thing down, but I also don't mind sharing that role!

Would have loved sharing raising children. Unfortunately - their own father was jealous of them. He eventually had to go - - when it began negatively affecting them.

Now helping raise 2 1/2 year old grandson. His father died of Leukemia before he was a month old.

reply to post by Annee


I did it myself the first 4 years, now my son has not only a stepdad that truly thinks of him as his own, but a dad that has gotten treatment and is going on 4 years of sobriety, and while he still has some issues to deal with he is much much improved.

He also has a fantastic stepmother whom I am close friends with. He is a lucky little boy to have so many parents who truly love him and work to be the best parents they can be!

Originally posted by monkeySEEmonkeyDO
Janet Reno is hot... Mmmm, I love that haircut

Naw, Janet Napolitano is the hot one. I love her haircut, too. Absolute Nirvana.

As far as women and Feminism goes, these days, I just ignore women. Makes life easy and works better than chasing them. I like them as friends, enjoy working with them, but am not interested in establishing a relationship, other than a friendship. (I was married for 30 years and have had enough of "Feminism" as defined by my ex.) It drives them crazy that I will not pursue, and now they (3 of them) chase after me. Heck, my employer (a very nice lady) got so irritated that I wouldn't ask her out that she literally grabbed me by the shirt and led me to her lair. She's still smiling!!

I'm a member of the 48% of men who prefer the single, simple way of life without women. In my married life I didn't cheat on my wife, was honest, hard working, supported all my ex's efforts, changed diapers, took kids to school and sports practice, did homework with the kids, coached their sports teams and took care of all the normal duties of a male homeowner. I was a "good listener". But for 30 years, it was never enough and my efforts went unappreciated. Yelling and screaming was her MO. I was not intelligent enough to operate a washing machine and dryer. She told me more than once that it was more important to treat friends and acquaintances better than you treat your family. In 30 years, I never heard the words, "I'm sorry" Needles to say, I left the day after my youngest son's 18th birthday. Our kids are still much closer to me than her for obvious reasons.

It just my personal opinion that Feminism has gone to far, as it was suppose to as it was introduced into our culture by TPTB. Another means of divide and conquer. I do agree that, to a point, it was needed, especially in the workplace, but as it is practiced today, it has gone a bit too far. But, heck who am I to say. I'm just one of the angry white males whose a believer in this lil ditty:

The World Shortest Fairy Tale

One day a man asked a women to marry him. She said "No"

And the man lived happily ever after, riding motorcycles, going fishing & bowling, playing golf, watching baseball and football games on HDTV, drinking beer and scotch, flatulating, and leaving the toilet seat up whenever he wanted.

The End

And this is result of my dealing with "over the top" or misdirected Feminism for the last 40 years. If you are a woman and want something from me, just ask, but I will put forth no effort to establish a relationship with today's feminized women. Especially a California women - Yikes!!! There are a lot of good men out there,(as there are women) especially the older "domesticated" males who because of their bouts with feminism and how it comes out in the wash these days, prefer to live out the balance of our years, single and unencumbered. Sharing the remainder of my life with a nice women would be fine with me, but past experiences have shown me the return on the investment just is not worth it. But you just never know. Life never ceases to amaze me. But the clock is ticking.........

Besides, I've got another 50,00 miles to put on my motorcycle, riding the back roads through the trees. Keep her lubed and the battery changed and she's always reading to go at a moments notice. Never a complaint and life is good





[edit on 12-6-2010 by Oldnslo]

[edit on 12-6-2010 by Oldnslo]

Originally posted by gluetrap
reply to post by Annee

 

I did it myself the first 4 years, now my son has not only a stepdad that truly thinks of him as his own, but a dad that has gotten treatment and is going on 4 years of sobriety, and while he still has some issues to deal with he is much much improved.

He also has a fantastic stepmother whom I am close friends with. He is a lucky little boy to have so many parents who truly love him and work to be the best parents they can be!

Oh that is great - I know we're getting off topic but . . .

My grandson has a 10 year old sister - who has a 3 1/2 year old sister from her dad and step mom. They are all family. She calls both her mom and step mom "mom" - - because her step mom is awesome. My grandson is "brother" to his sister's half-sister. They do holidays and parties together.

My 16 year old grandson's father chose drugs over his son. He got a stepfather at 13 - and is very close to him. His stepfather is Canadian and has a big family that live on a lake. He now has 2 sisters and lots of cousins. And a great place to go for the summer.

We do not allow the term "half" or "step" in our family.

This thread is planned to be a topic of discussion on the ATS LIVE radio show tonight starting at 7 PM Eastern.

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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Check your quote: Thanks to men for *ALLOWING* feminism to proceed.

Yes, that is what I said.

Are you saying that Men did not have the capability, then, to oppress women?

To keep Voting and Working From them?


Are you saying that Men, who have been historic Oppressors, and Rapists... getting what they want through sheer force of Brute strength....

Who have equipped themselves with weapons that can kill at a distance of miles.....


Who could easily have placed chains on every single woman that uttered the slightest bit of uppity-ness....


You are saying that Men DID prevent Women from Getting the Vote?


I.E. Because Women have the Vote.


Your argument has been THUSLY REFUTED.


Your Counter Arguments:


1. But you are claiming that women WERE oppressed! Ha, I caught You!


Nope, afraid not.


Oppression is not sex-ist.


Oppression is Class-ist.


People without Wealth ARE OPPRESSED by those WITH WEALTH.

Women are oppressed... yes... by those people with wealth.

Men are oppressed... yes... by people with wealth.




But the people with Wealth Don't WANT the people at large to realize WHO is oppressing them.

So they invent FICTIONS.


You aren't being oppressed by oil tycoons.... no ma'am.... you are being oppressed by *MEN*


We have PROOF that "MEN" (Read: the Wealthy Elite) have been oppressing you for centuries!

You are really the Beautiful angelic creatures!

Men are just keeping you back from divinity!

Those slow, dumb, brutish men... whose only contributions are farting, lifting heavy objects, and OPPRESSING WOMEN!


Give more power to the Government System that the Wealthy Elites Control.... and we will make sure that those EVIL NASTY MEN don't ever OPPRESS YOU ANGELIC CREATURES EVER AGAIN!

Then, we will be able to enforce those feelings into law.


/sarcasm



IT is much easier to Rule over a population, that constantly squabbles amongst itself.

The more divisions... the greater the chances of success for total population control.


IT is Simple to convince people of a particular viewpoint... if every single one of them sits in front of the "Propoganda Machine" (Read: Television) every day.


Especially if The newspapers are all owned by the same people who own the TV broadcast stations.


People can be fed LIES....


HUGE LIES.....


Lies like the Contradiction of the Axiom that underpins *ALL LOGIC*



That A=A


That a Thing, *IS ITSELF*



At that point... you lose all perspective of your place in reality.... and your only "Compass" is your emotions.






These aren't leaders....

They are TRAINED SALESMEN.



They are "SELLING" you, your own SHACKLES.


These people are lying to you, to get you to fund the SLAUGHTER of people that live above resources that they can proffit off of.


And you think these [snip] WOULDN'T try to pit Men and Women Against eachother?



Of course they would....


But We don't WATCH their Television anymore....



We discuss things with eachother... ONLINE! *WITHOUT THEIR PROPOGANDA!*






At least.... It *SEEMS* that way, Doesn't it?


-Edrick (Annee... you remind me of Gloria Steinem)

[edit on 12-6-2010 by Edrick]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Annee said something about men explaining feminism or something and I said, "Yes, isn't it fun"? Giving the impression that I think men don't know anything about feminism.

Just thought I'd comment on this.

"Aren't these threads fun?" - - - kind of like "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus".

How about a thread on Maleanism. Where women post authoritatively on how men think and behave.

I know there are many threads on ATS discussing Feminism. How many are there discussing Maleanism?

Can the male ego handle it? Oh wait! That's gonna get me in trouble - isn't it?

[edit on 12-6-2010 by Annee]

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Yes, in the most extreme usage of the word. But there comes a time when it gets absurd. Like saying that the word "chairman" is sexist. It's just a word. A woman can be a chairman of a committee. I think it's a bit ridiculous for her to insist on being called the "chairwoman".

Totally agree. In my opinion - - - being given the same position title is equality. There is no need to get "gender ridiculous".

Many female "actors/actresses" - - - have chosen the term Actor. Actor is someone who Acts - - - not a gender.

I think when I heard "Post-mistress" - - I said OMG - - Enough!!!!!!!

reply to post by Edrick


You're so sure of my points, counterpoints, arguments and counter arguments... it looks like you're having a discussion with me without me even joining in. If you are so certain if "what I'm saying", then you don't need me at all. It's just as well because I was just having fun with you anyway. I wasn't taking you seriously.