King Tut's DNA is Western European

Interesting indeed. It seems our history has always been supressed and twisted for some good reasons, whatever they may be. I have a growing interest in why there are so many lies associated with what SHOULD BE common and openly shared knowledge.
Im sorry if this was mentioned before, but Michael Tsarion has been a historic researcher for years, and possibly one of my favorites. Mainly because of his evidence to support such controversial claims.

Here is a link suggesting that there have existed Egyptian style pyramids in Ireland, dating back to antiquity. He then draws a lot of parallels and ideas to suggest that maybe this thread might not be so far off.
www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com...

And to the people who post the youtube videos suggesting that it is "euro-fraud" white supremist activity. I think that claim holds no water since the video chooses charismatic Africans and idiotic looking caucasians to make thier matches upon, there is clearly a bias in that. OR... maybe TPTB have teams of youtube video makers to create such videos to discourage people from delving any further into this, saying... "yeah youre right, that DOES sound pretty ridiculous." But fact is oftentimes stranger than fiction.

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Well considering that no one could look at the Pharaoh they could paint him dark and get away with it.


They say Cleopatra would represent hereself in a assortment of racial styles in art and coin whatever becouse of her ancestry. Maybe that was a common form of state propaganda and misinfo.

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Great info. You are aware then that Egyptian artifacts have been found in Wales in graves near the old tin mines. Jewlery. Eye of Ra and some other things. Its certain that tin was being traded from there with Egypt durring the bronze age.

May be able to find that online.

Also as far as Ireland.....the very old Nial, Niall (other spellings) clan of Ireland means Nile Eel or Eel of the Nile or Ni-eel.

Ancient Genealogy

36. Milesius, in his youth and in his father's life-time, went into Scythia, where he was kindly received by the king of that country, who gave him his daughter in marriage, and appointed him General of his forces. In this capacity Milesius defeated the king's enemies, gained much fame, and the love of all the king's subjects. His growing greatness and popularity excited against him the jealousy of the king; who, fearing the worst, resolved on privately dispatching Milesius our of the way, for, openly, he dare not attempt it. Admonished of the king's intentions in his regard, Milesius slew him; and thereupon quitted Scythia and retired into Egypt with a fleet of sixty sail. Pharaoh Nectonibus, then king of Egypt, being informed of his arrival and of his great valour, wisdom, and conduct in arms, made him General of all his forces against the king of Ethiopia then invading his country. Here, as in Scythia, Milesius was victorious; he forced the enemy to submit to the conqueror's own terms of peace. By these exploits Milesius found great favour with Pharaoh, who gave him, being then a widower, his daughter Scota in marriage; and kept him eight years afterwards in Egypt. During the sojourn of Milesius in Egypt, he employed the most ingenious and able persons among his people to be instructed in the several trades, arts, and sciences used in Egypt; in order to have them taught to the rest of his people on his return to Spain. [The original name of Milesius of Spain was "Galamh" (gall: Irish, a stranger; amh, a negative affix), which means, no stranger: meaning that he was no stranger in Egypt, where he was called "Milethea Spaine," which was afterwards contracted

Milesius

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That Irish origins of civilization page is phenomenal. I believe a lot of what is said on that page is reasonable.

Earlier I mentioned that maybe it was possible that the westerners were the descendants of Tut...

But now I am realizing that maybe it is possible that the entire world was already populated a long time ago and that many bloods cooperated with eachother in ways that today's society still finds hard to accomplish.

I will point out to those who believe it to be impossible for Egypt to have had white pharaohs............

Is not Obama president of the United States of America?

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So, basically...

This thread should literally be no surprise at all.

Except that we have all been foolish enough to believe our education system as it is.

There is so much evidence opposite what I used to know.

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And to the people who post the youtube videos suggesting that it is "euro-fraud" white supremist activity.

You might be surprised to find out white supremecists are actively involved in creating histories of preceding white races to support their agenda. The New Zealand white nationalist parties own many of the sites dedicated to claims of mysterious white races. They created entirely fictitious people, accounts and locations on wikipedia pages. They then linked the wiki articles on their other sites. This created a fabricated web of references that appeared to be credible. Pretty clever, huh? Sneaky too!

Wikipedia eventually discovered the scheme and removed many of the pages.

Why make the effort? By generating a false reality, they could position themselves as the indigenous race of New Zealand. From there, they could offer the same terms as the British National Party...repatriation of non-whites.

I'm not trying to say the King Tut claims are from the same people. What I am saying is a lot of people support the 'lost white race' as an extension of their own politics.

I discovered all this last year and can link my sources.

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I think that white people aren't the only color of people capable of that kind of nonsense.

As well, I just read that website that was provided about the irish being the originators of civilization and I did not see any names in there that could not be verified otherwise, so I think this time it probably isn't the case, just as you said.

And on that note, if there are groups today capable of trying to change history to fit their desires.......................
wait a minute, our educators wouldn't do that to us, would they?

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I think that white people aren't the only color of people capable of that kind of nonsense.

You're right. Louis Farakhan of the Nation of Islam uses the same nonsense as white supremicists to argue for black supremacy. India's caste system works on similar principles too. In China, the Han are considered as superior to others.

I think it'd all be laughable and ridiculous if not for the awful truth that millions have died from all the BS over the centuries. Race, region, politics and religion...if humans didn't have a reason for killing each other, we'd invent one.

Tut's lineage remains fascinating as an insight into Egypt's history. It's still important to be aware of the motivations behind the people offering conclusions.

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Yeah. It seems like you've found yourself another thread topic that would get a lot of attention. I'll let you make it

But then again, since no one actually knows the truth and all is pretty much speculation and science is never really believable (ironically), I think this article just helps to ignite our imaginations as to what the truth might be.

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There are no Irish pub ruins! they live forever!

Well People it has to do with Degree!! Percentage

White, Black, Asian , Indian , Persian , Mongolian ? American Indian ?

I want to see the Percentages !
from the looks from paintings and statues !

Mostly I see from Very early Egyptian Dynasty Painting and Statues I see! White Features

The Middle Dynasty I see Mongoloid ! Features

The Late Dynasty i see Black Features


I could be Wrong that Egypt Civilization did not really bother with race background ! towrds the End !

but look at the surrounding areas! Especially from a land called Sumar ( Sumerian) that is the Closest relation to Egypt ! that they look like either Persian Indian(India) or White !

but then again there are people that are dark complected considered Caucasian
Dark Irish , Dark French Aryan aka Iran , Iraq , parts of India , etc

Sources

www.reshafim.org.il...

Ancient Egyptian race controversy

bust of Cleopatra VII


en.wikipedia.org...

www.africawithin.com...


Ethnicity in Ancient Egypt ( Note love the Music in the video ) !


or is white Caucasian a genetic defect mutation like, Irish redheads very fair skin with freckles ?

Source
Irish RedHead Gene Myth ?

mohurley.blogspot.com...

Wiki ohh Wiki The Main Source of ATS Research LOL
Human Skin Color
en.wikipedia.org...
Race Classification
en.wikipedia.org...


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ok I even look like a Egyptian ! just picture a Pharaoh head dress and a chin beard piece on my head do you see it LOL !

in which im not

Im Celtic & Native American Indian decent ! See MY Avatar!

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Originally posted by Logarock
They say Cleopatra would represent hereself in a assortment of racial styles in art and coin whatever becouse of her ancestry. Maybe that was a common form of state propaganda and misinfo.

Yes and no.

She commonly presented herself (in coinage) as Greek... because she was Greek, as was her husband, grandparents, and so forth back to Alexander the Great's general, Ptolemy. She's shown here with typical Greek hairstyle and adornments (there's a lot of coins similar to this)

After she killed one brother/husband and defeated and killed her other brother and her sisters, she became involved with Julius Caesar. After his death, she went back to Egypt where she began to present herself on the monuments as an Egyptian goddess. When she hooks up with Mark Anthony they began presenting themselves on coins as Dionysus and Isis.

Here's a very nice article on the web (that matches textbooks I have) about how they deliberately set this up:
www.roman-empire.net...

Originally posted by Wolfenz
Mostly I see from Very early Egyptian Dynasty Painting and Statues I see! White Features

The Middle Dynasty I see Mongoloid ! Features

The Late Dynasty i see Black Features

That was the style of art of the era. Look at the bones, not the drawings. They're Mediterranean types (so they looked like today's Turks, Iranians, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, etc.) The color of the art was also set by style... men were almost always painted red (unless they were gods and in that case they could be other colors) and women were almost always painted with a lighter and more yellowish color (unless they were depicting goddesses).

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Wolfenz
Mostly I see from Very early Egyptian Dynasty Painting and Statues I see! White Features

The Middle Dynasty I see Mongoloid ! Features

The Late Dynasty i see Black Features

That was the style of art of the era. Look at the bones, not the drawings. They're Mediterranean types (so they looked like today's Turks, Iranians, Arabs, Italians, Greeks, etc.) The color of the art was also set by style... men were almost always painted red (unless they were gods and in that case they could be other colors) and women were almost always painted with a lighter and more yellowish color (unless they were depicting goddesses).

thank you for replying i understand the Colors what i referring to was the Facial features , the bone structures like statues of the Bust aka head neck and shoulders perfect example

Queen Nefertiti
en.wikipedia.org...

her husband the king Akhenaten what race could he be ? for me its hard to tell Persian African Asian ?
en.wikipedia.org...:Akhenaten_with_blue_crown.jpg


what race is Nefertiti

I see Arabic/persian Woman or ?
I see Mongolian Woman or ?
I see a Light Skin African Woman


the only legitimate way is through DNA of the Percentage as i assumed They are A Mixed Race themselves

recently i thought it was amusing about the Snoop Vs Barkley
Who Blacker on the Lopez Show

about Rapper Snoop Dog Found out that he is 71% Black 6% White and 23% Native American

while Barkley was 75 percent Black and 11% White 14% Native American
you can never tell !

yeah the Color doesn't matter much

This what needs to be done on those mummy's ! The Percentage

www.lopeztonight.com...


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The genetic origins of human bodies is interesting.
It can give clues to the true version of ancient history.

However, biological bodies are less important than the origins of the soul/spirit which could be from anywhere in the galaxy.

That is the important search to find out who you really are.

King Tut was middle kingdom if I recall. Each kingdom's beginning and end is marked by war and chaos. There is no reason to assume the racial identity of all of Egypt, nor every kingdom.

Realize Egypt was a trade hot spot. And for each of these eras. anybody may have risen to power.

We know the earliest pyramid builders came from Arabia. We now know the middle kingdom came from Western Europe, and it is known that the new kingdom was greek.

Interesting.




Oh yea, like the above video states, Egypt was multicultural, like India. That is why both had many gods. Over tome it became one god with many faces.

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Well here is another thing on king tut. Interesting video and he also has that elongated skull.

Originally posted by Gorman91
King Tut was middle kingdom if I recall.

New Kingdom, actually.
18th Dynasty

it started with Ahmose and ended with Horemheb, who was the second non-family successor to the heirless Tut's throne.

I'm not entirely sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but "Haplogroup R1b is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplogroup in Western Europe, parts of central Eurasia (for example Bashkortostan), and in parts of sub-Saharan Central Africa (for example around Chad and Cameroon). R1b is also present at lower frequencies throughout Eastern Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, and parts of North Africa. Due to European emigration it also reaches high frequencies in the Americas and Australia. While Western Europe is dominated by the R1b1b2 (R-M269) branch of R1b, the Chadic-speaking area in Africa is dominated by the branch known as R1b1a (R-V88)." -wikipedia

I don't recall seeing anything more than simply R1b, and this from dubious sources regardless, which leads me to wonder why anyone is running with this story as if it proves anything at all, other than Tut was from Egypt, where he was found. R1b is not solely confined to Europe by any stretch of the imagination, so claiming that this makes him European "through and through", as one source has, is utter nonsense.

All that stating that his haplogroup is R1b proves is that he either came from North Africa, where his corpse was found, central Eurasia, Eastern Euorpe, Europe or sub-Saharan Africa...