Conservatives call for Ground Zero mosque protest

In American, thanks to freedom of religion, they have the right to construct the mosque there, rightly or wrongly.

On the other hand, in America, it is always possible some very secular individual could blow that thing into fine dust and powder. Maybe even with a hi-jacked plane.

An 'eye for an eye' is without doubt how someone, somewhere would view that.

Originally posted by A TRUE AMERICAN
If you don't believe you are discriminated against you should wake up and take a look around. Why is'nt it a disgrace??? Are you an American???

do you believe in the Constitution?
the second amendment?
do you enjoy and exercise YOUR right to free speech?
freedom of religion?
the right to bear arms?

GET OVER IT

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Besides, if there can be a strip club up the street, then why the hell can't there be a Mosque?

Because those are two completely different animals. How so? Because one of those businesses serves lap-dances while the other one is run by people who believe in stoning women if they so much as show their face.

Has anyone thought that this decision should be left to those who live in New York, or were otherwise directly affected by 9/11? A referendum perhaps?

I wasn't. I personally don't care if they build a Church Of Scientology at ground zero.

Just seems to me that if New Yorkers and those elsewhere who lost loved ones are okay with it, great. If not, that decision should be respected as well. Everyone else should just STFU.

My opinion only, take it for what it's worth.

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One could argue placing a mosque there is not at all religiously related, but an insult. The question is simple. WHY there?

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by A TRUE AMERICAN
As a white man I know what it is like to be discriminated against, but a mosque near ground zero is a disgrace. All Americans should be outraged by this!!!

As a white man to another white man, you have NO idea what it is to be discriminated against...

And what is your reasoning?

Why should America be outraged?

~Keeper

Yeah that's right, only "brown people" and filthy sodomites can be discriminated against.

On Topic:

If they want to build a mosque there are unlimited places to do so outside of NYC. That dump of a mosque is being built there for one reason only, to poke real Americans in the eye!

Also, the guy that wants to build the mosque is linked to the "freedom" flotilla that tried to break Israel's Gaza blockade.

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[edit on 6-6-2010 by LiquidMirage]

I don't care. Islam didn't do 9/11, nor did religious extremists. The New World Order did.

Originally posted by Gorman91
One could argue placing a mosque there is not at all religiously related, but an insult. The question is simple. WHY there?

That is the real question here methinks. There is little or no reason to build one there, of all places. Yet they insist. Why? When you think about it, there doesn't apprear to be many 'above board' reasons to do so. So why? There are many petty and hurtful reasons for doing so surely. I guess we will never know, unless someone infiltrates the mosque, and hears it first-hand.

Chrono

Why shouldn't they be able to build a mosque there? It's not on Ground Zero, and the time I checked we still had freedom of religon in our country.

The mainstream story is that a fundamentalist Islamic group was responsible for 9/11. So by using the logic that some have used here, all Christians are evil and vile, and should have some of their rights infringed on because the Crusades, the Inquisition, and more recently, bombing abortion clinics, the murder of doctors, heckling children because their parents are gay, Christian funamentalist leaders actively called for the murder of heads of state, and saying that a major U.S. city deserved to be destroyed because our country is living in "sin".

As long as they're peaceful and not hurting anybody, I honestly can't see what the the big deal is. You worship the invisible man in the sky peacefully one way, and the vast majority of muslims peacefully do it theirs.

It's absurd that a mosque should be built as close to the site of 9/11 as they could get. As has been said numerous times on this thread, the Muslim community building a mosque on that site is the equivalent of a conquering nation raising its flag upon the nation it just conquered. That is Muslim culture, and a fact, not a racist opinion.

By the way, if I'm not mistaken, they have even changed the terminology of this "mosque" a few times. At one point it was going to be a community center, or something like it, and I guess they finally settled on calling it on a Mosque.

I also didn't notice anyone mentioning on this thread that they are planning of having their grand opening ceremony for this "mosque" on 9/11. This would remove even the slightest shred of doubt that the Muslim "organizers" had any sort of positive motive for taking this action. I'm pretty sure if this mosque does get completed, they will eventually spend more money trying to clean and repair vandalism to the "mosque" than they spent in erecting it to begin with. New York politicians and Muslim organizers will come to regret this decision in time.

My mind is being blown to pieces right now. What is wrong with you people? How can you say you don't care if they build a mosque, a symbol of the domination of a region for Islam, on GROUND ZERO of the deadliest attack on U.S. soil in U.S. history committed (allegedly) by Islamic 'extremists'? I am so pissed off and saddened for and at the people I have to call United States citizens.

There's something called common courtesy, and these Muslims obviously don't have any to suggest building it there. I hate agreeing with Christians on anything but on this they are absolutely right. I personally believe the government set up 9/11, but as for now the official story is that Muslims flew planes into the World Trade Center and killed over 3,000 people, and for that reason this is a kick in the gut to all self respecting Americans, and a sign to me that they have no intention of simply living their culture here in the U.S. They mean to take everything we have here and turn it into their sharia paradise.

I have a suggestion. How about we get some fundie Christians to blow up their Mecca and then suggest putting a church there? How do you think that will go?

There has to be a line in the sand drawn, or they will slowly eat away at the very same freedoms you claim are being infringed upon, by allowing them to build their house of worship there. Just like everything physical you don't put a limit on.

It's real simple. If you want to promote religious diversity, you don't do things that agitate and upset a significant number of people.

Building a mosque near Ground Zero is not going to be accepted by a majority of Americans as a gesture of peace and tolerance. In fact, it will be considered the exact opposite.

That doesn't help the situation. It makes it worse.

Originally posted by undercover reptoid
The mainstream story is that a fundamentalist Islamic group was responsible for 9/11.

Yes, BushCo and the media were VERY successful at inciting hatred for an entire religion, all the while saying things like, "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam." Yeah, right. Actions speak louder than words, Mr. Bush. Mr. Bush saw himself as some sort of Christian Holy Warrior. He wanted us to hate Muslims and the media played it to the HILT and sadly, many bought into it.

I did not.

I have no problem with a church of any kind being built wherever the local people want it. I don't think it's any of my business and I (unlike some others here) support the First Amendment. I mean REALLY. I support it for ALL people, not just "my own kind". It's sad to see so many who don't. :shk: I would fight for people's freedom of religion, whether I agree with it or not.

It may be that the NWO government did perpatrate 9/11 or maybe jihadists really did it all by themselves. Allot of people forget Ramsey Yousef , back then he was on his own no government connection , what about the 7th century islamic conquests , their rape of africa , the balkans and india/indonesia. I suppose you'll want to say bush did it. Either way funding from the Rockerfellers and the insensitiveness of the muslims wanting to build on this very site is the height of brinksmanship. The name of the mosque ;Cordoba , linked to islamic imperialism and it being built so near to a notorious islamic raid on unsuspecting americans, should reveal the true intention of the persons clamoring for it's construction. Nothing good will come of this , america is too divided we no longer have one voice , we are americans in name but not spirit. This is why we have a tyrannical corporate plutocracy ruling us. I hope the dead of that cowardly act of 9/11 haunt them till they go insane in that mosque and on capitol hill.


If the residents didn't want it there , why are so many here telling them to suck salt , bend over and get r@?ed , all for freedom of religion? Many of you don't even care about religion but I suspect , have ulterior motives for encouraging this travesty. I'll put your freedom of religion cop outs to the test , how many here on this thread would accept shariah law in the U.S , honor killings and female genital mutilation ;muslim style. Aye or nay , yes or no?

@Benevolent Heretic , you would fight for a persons freedom of religion even if they wanted to rip your heart out and sacrifice you to their sun god? I think this shows that the founding fathers thought that the descendants of all who fought and bled , would at least have some common sense , when exercising their freedoms and liberties , but alas this has been butchered on the alter of political correctness.

[edit on 7-6-2010 by A TRUE AMERICAN]

i dont usually side with conservatives but i do with americans, and hope the conservatives do a great job of getting the message across of just how sick this is, to let this happen at this site.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by infolurker
Building a mosque on ground zero is the equivalent of hoisting a victory flag. That is the point.

Disagree?

That would be a false statement. You were not attacked by Islam.

That's like saying that every church that goes up in my town is a victory against homosexuality, which it isn't.

Straw man arguments abound...

~Keeper

If we insert the words "attacked by radical islam", there is no straw man argument. It becomes a fact.

Can you prove that this mosque would not be or become a hotbed of radical islam, with fiery preaching against the West on almost the very ground where the attacks took place?

Some here want Americans to always bend over backwards to be "sensitive" to the feelings of other nationalities, religions and minorities.

The mosque could be built just about anywhere else, right? No one is saying they shouldn't build any mosque at any other location, right?

What's wrong with expecting some of the same in return for this issue?



Level playing field.

Deny hypocrisy

[edit on 6/7/2010 by centurion1211]

Ground Zero should not be turned into a bastion of religious hatred. It should be a reminder of what religious hatred can lead to. If they had built a mosque there before 9/11, this wouldn't have been an issue. It shouldn't be an issue now.

If you killed somebody in my name, it wouldn't make me a criminal.

Conservatives for all their boasting about god, really represent that entity poorly. they are so xenophobic sometimes it's just disgusting. they only want freedom of religion for CHRISTIANS. To them, all other religions do not deserve the same rights

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Then you are not being realistic Magnus. If you knew and did nothing yes , you are a criminal.If you were a fiery imam and you were preaching "death to the west , death to america!" from the mimbar(arabic word for pulpit) of a mosque you have just incited hatred and conspiracy to commit murder. If someone is killed in your name you have became a symbol of dread and sorrow for those whom you caused to be hurt , only a vegetable would react otherwise.

And who are you to tell americans they should not feel bitter or angry , are they not human? Especially the ones who lost loved ones , they will decide when their ready to forgive. 9/11 was a very traumatizing moment in american and western world history , who perpetrated this deserves to be vilified , hunted down and punished in the worst way , be they jihadists , the NWO or both.The jihadists claim they fight zionism and our corrupt governments which are not under our control anymore , but are now rogue elements that answer to no one , just like theirs. But they attack civilians , unsuspecting civilians , not the politicians or military heads. look at mumbai.

Even if that were the case which I highly doubt(truth-Islam has a beef with all kufars , just becuz) , islamic jihad made the worst mistake they could ever make by attacking and murdering over 2000 innocent , unsuspecting AMERICANS in a cowardly sneak attack , remember what happened to the last country that did that. Now they expect people to just roll over now they want to raise a flag over their triumph. With or without that mosque it will still be a bastion of hate , the mosque just makes the wound fester. If they wanted healing and peace , the minute they suggested this and heard there was resistance the should have backed away , too sensitive.