Is the United States on the verge of civil war?

reply to post by NorEaster


Yeah.. that was a lovely Democrat speech.. but uh .. we are still at war.. in fact, we have sent MORE troops. We are STILL bailing out banks. We NATIONALIZED two mega corporations and pandered to their unions. We NATIONALIZED two Mortgage giants with endless blackholes of debt. We MONETIZED more money since 2008 than all monetization in American history combined. We then proceeded to enact the LARGEST TAX INCREASE since the Federal Income Tax and touted it as "health care reform" .. which was again union pandering, insurance bailouts, tax increases, and government intrusion all wrapped up into one.

Yeah, this administration has been a real salvation to this country. And my, look how their actions differ from the last administrations.. oh, can't see a single difference.. that's ok, not supposed to.

And using terms like "Teabagger" show what an insolent, childish pervert you are. Very unbecoming.

[edit on 6/7/2010 by Rockpuck]

Modern revolutionary war would be quite interesting indeed, but one that would likely be won by the people.

There is a point made by quite a few that the government would certainly defend it's empire, they surely have technology that we the people do not have, like those giant plates that will give a mass group a 2nd degree sunburn of sorts, and likely plenty that we don't know about until they use it.

That said, the only one's we'd really have to worry about in the military are the upper management, those with the flashing buttons. I don't care how much drugs our govt are pumping into our troops, you can be sure 90% of them will not fire on the general public.

A tool is a tool.


FROM DICTATORSHIP TO DEMOCRACY A Conceptual Framework for Liberation

has been use by USA for their false revolution in other country (for 25 years ).

« Color revolution » fails in Iran by Thierry Meyssan*

Non violence is a strategy : that should change during the chess game.

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reply to post by AndrewJay


Yawn, here we go again.

Dear OP, you can dispense with the rhetorical plea for revolution and civil war as a veiled guise to express your displeasure of our black president.

You can wipe that shoe polish off your face and take off the silly camo outfit unless you are simply planning a stealthy run to take out the trash at night. Oh and put your shotgun back into the huntin' locker, you're getting the dogs all excited.

You can toss the archaic founding father references and religious fear mongering and cheeky quotes.

This is ATS and you are new here. We've seen this all before. As whaaa so eloquently pointed out, using a 200 year old blueprint for revolution is absurd.

Our system of government is far from perfect but it can be refined, rather than reset. I challenge you or any of the other fife-blowing faux patriots to devise a more perfect system.

Threads like this are why I spend less time here. When does school start back up?

Short answer = NO the US is not on the verge of a Civil War. No wrong answers I hope despite not being the ones you wanted to hear.


[edit on 8-6-2010 by kinda kurious]

For those looking to start a revolution you can now buy a ready-made militia--Blackwater is for sale, bargain price, lots of thugs for hire.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. Thomas Jefferson
www.theatlantic.com...

It is my belief and sincere hope that if Martial law is ever imposed in order to quell the people of these United States our Military leaders would step in and remove from power any and all government officials.
A military Coup as it were.
With the military promptly turning over power to the people in a popular vote. Yes this would take some time to accomplish, perhaps a few years. The impetus for the imposition of Martial law would come from an up-rising of the people, who currently are so divided as to make this impossible. Best chance for this is the various militia groups’ across the country, if they can come together. Possibly the secession of several states from the union and set up of state militias.

The military would divide and so would our police forces. Some other country would probably step in and try to take over also. Example: Mexico, China, Korea? (Doubtful, but I get the example).

The Federal Government, for its part has the use of Mercenaries, (aka Blackwater/Xe) and security companies such as the Pinkertons (still extant) which they have used before and would not hesitate to use again. They also have a reciprocal agreement with Canada (and Mexico?) to use their troops to quell an armed uprising in the U.S.

Failure equals Death; there would be no mercy from the ruling elite. (Bank Cartels in the form of the World Bank and the Federal Reserve, along with their bought and paid for politicians’ world wide).

End game plan, most would want the constitution reinstated, (I among them) maybe with some minor modifications. The removal of case law for example, elimination of the FED and property and payroll taxes as another, possibly modifications to various Amendments and articles, definitely the nullification of the USA Patriot Act among others.

Is a Civil Revolution imminent, I doubt it, The people are too comfortable with their bread and Games, read Services (welfare etc) and Entertainment (Football, World of Warcraft etc). ATS being one of the outlets or pressure gages to let off steam. Drugs such as Alcohol marijuana and coc aine being another.

Best choice at the moment is peaceful resistance and the use of our ability to pick our leaders at the state level from more than one party.


[edit on 8-6-2010 by RedmoonMWC]

reply to post by kinda kurious


Yawn...here we go again

Dear poster, you can stop your condescending tone you have presented here. The likes that show up around page 5 of threads. It is just as typical as posts that question what is going on in America. You roam the boards looking to put posters into their place on the topics that they wish to explore and question.

The attempt at sounding witty while presenting yourself high and mighty to the OP is what I have come to expect of the more veteran members of ATS. The kind that step into a post that they have no desire in engaging in other than to proclaim their presence and proclaim their superiority on the subject by declaring it pointless. The irony apparently knows no bounds.

While the OP did reference President Obama, it was in what they viewed as a crux of the problems that are coming to an apex. Your passive aggressive notion that the OP must be a closet racist is the typical diatribe that is exhibited by those that wish not to seek debate or engage in critical thinking. It is however made quite often from people that for some reason either really wishes that white people hate the fact we have a black president or quite possibly you just could not logically concoct a solid answer on why you oppose the notion.

If the thread is such a pain to you, why engage at all? Why put down a newer member for the questions they seek answers for? If I am not mistaken, there is a small little note above the reply box of more seasoned members that asks you to make every post count and be an example to newer members.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


All righty then, thanks for that analysis. I can end my lifelong quest for self enrichment and cancel my therapy. It is uncanny how you can size someone up from a single post and predict what page they reply on. Oh and just in case you didn't happen to notice, I DIRECTLY answered the query presented in OP.

Short answer = NO the US is not on the verge of a Civil War. No wrong answers I hope despite not being the ones you wanted to hear.

Hmmm. I checked your thread posts, all you did was pounce on others like myself with opposing views. Nice try though. I'd rather be loathed for being who I am than be liked for being who I'm not.


[edit on 8-6-2010 by kinda kurious]

reply to post by Rockpuck


If "we" didn't "nationalize" those collapses, after the GOP destroyed the entire banking system and credit engine, then you wouldn't have a job right now (if you have a job, of course). They say that surgery - without anethesia - feels the same as torture, and yet, if you need surgery, then guess what, you're just going to have to deal with the pain. If not, then you'll die from the infection.

The GOP infected this economy and you idiots are screaming at the doctor as he's trying to save your ignorant lives. Getting infected doesn't hurt. Getting saved by surgery does, and it hurts a lot. Get a big-boy sack and suffer through the cure. Then, stop playing with infected people from now on. The next time, this surgery won't be able to save you.

reply to post by kinda kurious


Mature.

[edit on 10-6-2010 by AndrewJay]

Don't fall for the "Divide and Conquer" scheme... We need to stick together and force/vote the scum out of power.

reply to post by kinda kurious


No. I'm sorry to say, but Ownbestenemy prety much hit the nail right on the head. Contentiousness does not automatically equate correctness.



[edit on 9-6-2010 by OnTheFelt]

for the OP, no we will not have a civil war, what we are already having is a revolutionary war. fact...

for those of you that think it has anything to do with race, you should go back to sleep.

from whats already happening heres what we need the taking away of the infrastructure - electricity - TV - radio - cable - phones - internet - gas/oil - frequency jamming - bridges / roads - all modern conveniences - these things keep people occupied and confused. Plus it gives the government the power it has. any revolution today doesn't mean we all march as one and fight, what it means is we must disable our foe. 80% of whats in place must be tore down also the government must become as broke as us. they are fast going broke but the infrastructure is still in place. once the GOV has been disabled then we can go capture those responsible and try them for there crimes.

i know that sounds bad in many ways but look at the aftermath. plenty of stuff thats already falling down gets tore down and can be rebuilt the correct way. boat loads of work to get the ball rolling once again.

seems to me Obama is right in saying that the constitution needs to be updated but letting them do it would be the death of us all. average folks need to be the ones to make these changes to our system. plus one of the biggest changes needs to be TERM limits to every government job elected or hired, 4 years from the president all the way down to the water meter reader. cops, judges, DA's, congress, all gov jobs and elected offices, max 4 years then you go back to private sector. that would fix some many problems and expose so many bad seeds.

but until everyone stops and decides to change enjoy the hell you agree with.



[edit on 10-6-2010 by Pewbert]

reply to post by kinda kurious


I pounced? Every reply that I give is in direct relation to what is being discussed. Just because you do no agree with my view or my stance doesn't make me a bad poster. Just as if that were the same with you. I did notice your nice short answer at the end of your diatribe towards the OP, but did not address as that was not the intent of your post that you presented. First impressions are a one time thing and you presented yourself as such. Just as I have probabaly presented myself to you as such. So be it, it is what it is.

I am just sick and tired of those that come mid thread proclaiming idoicracry because they fele they are more enlightened than themselves. Fine. If that is what makes your day, then by all means. Your half response, and even response to me precludes that you just look at the past rather than what is front of you.

Oh please tell me, what post did I 'poucne' on someone? Where did I directly attack the person and not the argument? Where did I veil my attacks by some nonsensical horse squeeze that you presented with a comical answer at the end?

Please....I do pray you find such a moment. Unlike you, in grace I might find myself at the end of a losing argument. In such a situation, if I am still an active agongst such oh such post,s I have either corrected myself or have modified my argument to better suit my style and the style of others if they have made a logical presumptiopn.

Unlike yourself, I do not go digging for past information. Reason being is I was responding in regards to your response at hand. Not anything else you have penned.