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The Law of One - What is Right and What is Wrong?
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reply to post by Unity_99
Hello Unity!
Just want to toss in a few thoughts I have on this.
In no way shape or form was hidden hands account accurate on what the law of one portrays...in one very specific example is that hidden hand says that this world is like a prison planet, like we are being held here against our will...and that the negative side, the path of self, has people here performing this path OUT OF LOVE for its other selves. This is very false. Another think hh said is that there was negative 6 density beings...and that the Lucifer group was of this 6density negative. The law of one states that in 6th density, the path of self has to be abandoned...anyone that has been on the path of service to self....will be faced with something that being has chosen to ignore for some time...which is that the path of self...does not lead to unity. The path of self...see's that it can not move forward...and to move forward, the path of self has to be abandoned. HH did not support this view.
Im not saying all of the law of one is correct...but I do think that many many people have equated things he said with the loo and he did not portray it accurately.
Many are using the path of a higher self...and I would like to suggest that this is not the most divine light that a soul complex can connect to. There is a essence that is Spirit, and it is Holy....and this is not the exact same as a higher self. The higher self is still somewhat separate from some...for the idea that we all do not have the same higher self...causes separation. The Holy Spirit....offers no separation...for it runs within us all.
We are not trapped...and the experience here is exactly as we meant it to be. Its not a 'outside' source that has caused this world to seem like we have no freedom....it was our own selves that did this.
We are not slaves, for the way to understanding has always been here for a true seeker. Many seek a way to leave Earth...and this is why they have a different understanding. The path of self salvation and self ascension are both of service to self...and this is a path that will only find itself later, to face what is not...and abandon this path. This is why many here are seekers...but they have been fooled by many of the leaders that fell for the path of self...yet again.
There is no higher entity in the LOO that demands sacrifice, bloodshed, wars, or depopulation. Have you read what the LOO says about Yahweh and other past histories of Earth?
You are right..the Divine...does nothing negative...but we are here to teach ourselves something. A 3d existence, that follows spiritual laws of reaping what one sows...is an agreement in this galaxy, even our sun is a part of it all...to bring the orders and cycles to our purpose. Your soul memories are not the ultimate truth...they are a truth for your path of self...but there is a path that awaits, which is a path of serving others....and the Divine Spirit is what leads this path...not the higher self.
The 'traps' as you call them...are a weigh that we our sifted, weighed and measured....by our own self. When we are in between existence, released from the body complex, we can view with the divine eye, what we learned, and what we are still in need of learning. We not only see our path...but others that we crossed paths with. We are not here to just enjoy blissful experiences....we are here to teach ourselves something. Without all the negative things....we would not be able to measure the worth of the good things. There are souls here that are still very strong in the path of self...after many many lifetimes of it. They do not do this willingly out of love like HH said....they do this because they still refuse to face that they are more then the body complex. They are attached to Earthly riches. But again, the law and cycle, will cause them to sift, weigh and measure...and the reaping of what they sow...will humble their hearts in time. Till then...they offer a mirror to the ones that have move forward from that path....a reminder, of what we dont want to be.
You called that path of religions a trap. In a sense, that is not too far off...but its not made by a outside source. Alot of religion is a mirror of man. The new age stuff today, is also a mirror of man in this time. The path of self salvation....seeking rewards in heaven while others are being punished....is a system to mark and measure soul complexes. Its a way to show....they are not ready to move on to the true service they were meant for...which is offering themselves back to the need of their other selves that are still learning. Same with the path of self ascension. Just ask yourself...what would a world be like...if suddenly...a bunch of beings showed up that were on the path of service to self? Not a great place, right? Well...Earth doesnt seem to be such a great experience...right> There is a very good reason for this...it is not happenstance...and it is not a trick. Yes there are markers....alot of those markers fall back on beings 'believing' in something. The 'belief' shows what they are ready for....and what they are not.
There is progression for a while, on the path of self. But it will not be a path that leads to full progression...and will have to face its seeds its planted at some time. But they play just as much a part in all of this as the ones that learned of the worth and value of the path of others. This is where the wrong and right are neither here nor there....for some times. Both offering a valid mirror of reflection to learn from. Eventually, yes, there is a right and wrong...there is a spiritual law that will show itself...which is that the soul complex is meant to be of service, to the Spirit, to the one that offered its own self in the very first place for all existences. Depending on a persons nature....a 'higher self' can lead them in thinking that path of ascension or path of self salvation...is a good thing.
We are one...and we, one, had everything to do with creating this existence the way it is. The emanation might not of been our of free will of what we WANTED....but what we are in NEED OF...and the fact that others are wishing for what they WANT....shows they do not understand what the spirit/body complex's purposes are for. You might be stuck on what you think you want life to be....but that doesnt mean you will get that. If you are in need of learning more...then the Universe is going to give you the 'more' that you are in need of...not what you 'want'.
Free will is a paradox. The choice, is ours, our path...is our choice. To serve the self....or to serve others. The paradox is, the Universe has laws...spiritual laws....and they are rooted within the blueprint to teach us things. One of those laws is...reap what one sows. We are here....to reap something we have sowed, in our past, as a unit.
Much love, I mean no disrespect to others views...just offering another perspective from experiences, just the same.
Forgive the ones that are still in need of this sphere....be willing to offer yourself back to the ONE, the Holy Spirit, and what Thee needs of you to be for the ALL...instead of the self.
And just as the sun is a part, so is mars, so in Saturn...and all the rest in this system. They all hold vibrations...they all hold things for us to learn of. They all are connected to Earth and us. Imagine braided hair holding all the spheres together...connected, with a similar thread. Same as the Holy Spirit...holding all life together...connected, with a similar thread.
My best
LV
Hello Unity!
Just want to toss in a few thoughts I have on this.
In no way shape or form was hidden hands account accurate on what the law of one portrays...in one very specific example is that hidden hand says that this world is like a prison planet, like we are being held here against our will...and that the negative side, the path of self, has people here performing this path OUT OF LOVE for its other selves. This is very false. Another think hh said is that there was negative 6 density beings...and that the Lucifer group was of this 6density negative. The law of one states that in 6th density, the path of self has to be abandoned...anyone that has been on the path of service to self....will be faced with something that being has chosen to ignore for some time...which is that the path of self...does not lead to unity. The path of self...see's that it can not move forward...and to move forward, the path of self has to be abandoned. HH did not support this view.
Im not saying all of the law of one is correct...but I do think that many many people have equated things he said with the loo and he did not portray it accurately.
Many are using the path of a higher self...and I would like to suggest that this is not the most divine light that a soul complex can connect to. There is a essence that is Spirit, and it is Holy....and this is not the exact same as a higher self. The higher self is still somewhat separate from some...for the idea that we all do not have the same higher self...causes separation. The Holy Spirit....offers no separation...for it runs within us all.
We are not trapped...and the experience here is exactly as we meant it to be. Its not a 'outside' source that has caused this world to seem like we have no freedom....it was our own selves that did this.
We are not slaves, for the way to understanding has always been here for a true seeker. Many seek a way to leave Earth...and this is why they have a different understanding. The path of self salvation and self ascension are both of service to self...and this is a path that will only find itself later, to face what is not...and abandon this path. This is why many here are seekers...but they have been fooled by many of the leaders that fell for the path of self...yet again.
Oh Really! This RA message, is no different than the EL message of the traditional religions. Some Higher Entity, demanding Sacrifice, and Bloodshed and wars, depopulating a planet. This is NOT freedom at all! Love never hurts/harms/rapes/tortures/murders/blows babies to pieces in wars/drops nukes on civilians/enslaves people to corporations or banks. The Family Of Light, the Many In One, the Divine, demands no worship, and teaches, instructs, encourages, loves, serves, enabels, empowers, rights all wrongs, helps, heals, nudges, guides, but does nothing negative. Until a soul learns to strive for positivity and love, they simply do not progress! I don't follow RA, or any entity that is still a part of this Universe, this Hollographic School, but only my own inner knowing, my Higher Self, my inner truths, my soul memories, and my absolute Love and Appreciation for the Family of Light, all of our Higher Selves, and Love, Goodness, and Lending A Helping Hand. We need to wake up to all the traps, there are many.
There is no higher entity in the LOO that demands sacrifice, bloodshed, wars, or depopulation. Have you read what the LOO says about Yahweh and other past histories of Earth?
You are right..the Divine...does nothing negative...but we are here to teach ourselves something. A 3d existence, that follows spiritual laws of reaping what one sows...is an agreement in this galaxy, even our sun is a part of it all...to bring the orders and cycles to our purpose. Your soul memories are not the ultimate truth...they are a truth for your path of self...but there is a path that awaits, which is a path of serving others....and the Divine Spirit is what leads this path...not the higher self.
The 'traps' as you call them...are a weigh that we our sifted, weighed and measured....by our own self. When we are in between existence, released from the body complex, we can view with the divine eye, what we learned, and what we are still in need of learning. We not only see our path...but others that we crossed paths with. We are not here to just enjoy blissful experiences....we are here to teach ourselves something. Without all the negative things....we would not be able to measure the worth of the good things. There are souls here that are still very strong in the path of self...after many many lifetimes of it. They do not do this willingly out of love like HH said....they do this because they still refuse to face that they are more then the body complex. They are attached to Earthly riches. But again, the law and cycle, will cause them to sift, weigh and measure...and the reaping of what they sow...will humble their hearts in time. Till then...they offer a mirror to the ones that have move forward from that path....a reminder, of what we dont want to be.
You called that path of religions a trap. In a sense, that is not too far off...but its not made by a outside source. Alot of religion is a mirror of man. The new age stuff today, is also a mirror of man in this time. The path of self salvation....seeking rewards in heaven while others are being punished....is a system to mark and measure soul complexes. Its a way to show....they are not ready to move on to the true service they were meant for...which is offering themselves back to the need of their other selves that are still learning. Same with the path of self ascension. Just ask yourself...what would a world be like...if suddenly...a bunch of beings showed up that were on the path of service to self? Not a great place, right? Well...Earth doesnt seem to be such a great experience...right> There is a very good reason for this...it is not happenstance...and it is not a trick. Yes there are markers....alot of those markers fall back on beings 'believing' in something. The 'belief' shows what they are ready for....and what they are not.
There is progression for a while, on the path of self. But it will not be a path that leads to full progression...and will have to face its seeds its planted at some time. But they play just as much a part in all of this as the ones that learned of the worth and value of the path of others. This is where the wrong and right are neither here nor there....for some times. Both offering a valid mirror of reflection to learn from. Eventually, yes, there is a right and wrong...there is a spiritual law that will show itself...which is that the soul complex is meant to be of service, to the Spirit, to the one that offered its own self in the very first place for all existences. Depending on a persons nature....a 'higher self' can lead them in thinking that path of ascension or path of self salvation...is a good thing.
We are one...and we, one, had everything to do with creating this existence the way it is. The emanation might not of been our of free will of what we WANTED....but what we are in NEED OF...and the fact that others are wishing for what they WANT....shows they do not understand what the spirit/body complex's purposes are for. You might be stuck on what you think you want life to be....but that doesnt mean you will get that. If you are in need of learning more...then the Universe is going to give you the 'more' that you are in need of...not what you 'want'.
Free will is a paradox. The choice, is ours, our path...is our choice. To serve the self....or to serve others. The paradox is, the Universe has laws...spiritual laws....and they are rooted within the blueprint to teach us things. One of those laws is...reap what one sows. We are here....to reap something we have sowed, in our past, as a unit.
Much love, I mean no disrespect to others views...just offering another perspective from experiences, just the same.
Forgive the ones that are still in need of this sphere....be willing to offer yourself back to the ONE, the Holy Spirit, and what Thee needs of you to be for the ALL...instead of the self.
And just as the sun is a part, so is mars, so in Saturn...and all the rest in this system. They all hold vibrations...they all hold things for us to learn of. They all are connected to Earth and us. Imagine braided hair holding all the spheres together...connected, with a similar thread. Same as the Holy Spirit...holding all life together...connected, with a similar thread.
My best
LV
reply to post by LeoVirgo
I agree we need to forgive all and see the Light underneath the masks we all wear, but this does not mean at the same time that we should ever consider that its alright to do wrong in the serivce of authority, leaders, country, religions, or to consider this form of abuse Love, done in love for us. There is only one way to progress, that occurs when each soul finds love, and desires an equal world, with peace and abundane for all, unconditional love, and equality.
We should love eveeryone including those who are lost, and the worlds "mismanagement team" but at the same time, renounce the negative behavior and actions that they are engaged in, and shine our light.
[edit on 5-6-2010 by Unity_99]
I agree we need to forgive all and see the Light underneath the masks we all wear, but this does not mean at the same time that we should ever consider that its alright to do wrong in the serivce of authority, leaders, country, religions, or to consider this form of abuse Love, done in love for us. There is only one way to progress, that occurs when each soul finds love, and desires an equal world, with peace and abundane for all, unconditional love, and equality.
We should love eveeryone including those who are lost, and the worlds "mismanagement team" but at the same time, renounce the negative behavior and actions that they are engaged in, and shine our light.
[edit on 5-6-2010 by Unity_99]
Respectfully,
Here is my Take on it.
One-1 can Define Light to be Dark and call the Day Night and the Night Day but from the infinite/eternal perspective it does not change what it is.
There is Good and Evil as there is Dark and Light and that means there is a Right and a Wrong path (technically) at least for those who want to make it to GOOD PLACES!
If EVIL places are what someone calls HOME, LIGHT and LOVE then they can always label Hellish type existences using such words believing them to be paradise/heavenly in their own minds when in reality to the infinite/eternal perspective "they ARE what they ARE."
A person reaps what they sow according to the law of consequence to action.
What they do unto others they have only done unto themselves from the infinite/eternal perspective.
It really comes down to the basic fundamentals of Good and Evil.
It's the INTENT and Thoughts/Actions/Reactions of a person that truly counts and determines where one-1 goes upon leaving the vehicle/body/flesh.
If one-1 wants to go to EVIL places than all they need to do is live an EVIL life.
If one-1 wants to go to GOOD places then all they need to do is live a GOOD life.
EVIL is an opposition to GOOD such as abusing, torturing, raping, murdering and so on.
GOOD is Love, caring, sharing, giving, helping, forgiving and so on.
So there is a RIGHT and a WRONG at least for those people who want to make it to GOOD places without War, Murder, Starvation, Suffering and so on.
The Thoughts/Actions/Reactions of a person attract and have consequences according to one-1's Thoughts/Actions/Reactions.
One-1 reaps what they sow from the infinite/eternal perspective so one-1 must choose their path wisely. (At least for those who want to go to Utopia existences and so on.)
Then again anyone-1 can put a definition on Utopia and for some murder, war, bloodshed, abuse, rape and all those things could be their heaven.
Words are merely/only words to better understand/define something but Light and Dark, Good and Evil do not change what they are coming from the infinite/eternal perspective. Only within the mind of the interpreter defining such words/acts according to their current level of understanding/belief/perception based on one-1's education, upbringing, society, environment - Awareness Level - Consciousness - for the finite temporal 'TIME' being currently occupying the vehicle/body/flesh.
"I AM what I AM."
"When we speak of right and wrong, aren't we judging?"
One-1 is Distinguishing ONE-1 from the other and Choosing one-1 from the other recognizing that EVIL is not GOOD and GOOD is not EVIL.
DARK and LIGHT on the other hand (technically) are neither GOOD or EVIL but merely opposites one-1 to another.
However GOOD and EVIL are acts performed by someone-1 while DARK and LIGHT are merely opposites one-1 to another being neither EVIL or GOOD.
LOVE & PEACE
Respectfully
Best Wishes!
[edit on 5-6-2010 by ET_MAN]
Here is my Take on it.
One-1 can Define Light to be Dark and call the Day Night and the Night Day but from the infinite/eternal perspective it does not change what it is.
There is Good and Evil as there is Dark and Light and that means there is a Right and a Wrong path (technically) at least for those who want to make it to GOOD PLACES!
If EVIL places are what someone calls HOME, LIGHT and LOVE then they can always label Hellish type existences using such words believing them to be paradise/heavenly in their own minds when in reality to the infinite/eternal perspective "they ARE what they ARE."
A person reaps what they sow according to the law of consequence to action.
What they do unto others they have only done unto themselves from the infinite/eternal perspective.
It really comes down to the basic fundamentals of Good and Evil.
It's the INTENT and Thoughts/Actions/Reactions of a person that truly counts and determines where one-1 goes upon leaving the vehicle/body/flesh.
If one-1 wants to go to EVIL places than all they need to do is live an EVIL life.
If one-1 wants to go to GOOD places then all they need to do is live a GOOD life.
EVIL is an opposition to GOOD such as abusing, torturing, raping, murdering and so on.
GOOD is Love, caring, sharing, giving, helping, forgiving and so on.
So there is a RIGHT and a WRONG at least for those people who want to make it to GOOD places without War, Murder, Starvation, Suffering and so on.
The Thoughts/Actions/Reactions of a person attract and have consequences according to one-1's Thoughts/Actions/Reactions.
One-1 reaps what they sow from the infinite/eternal perspective so one-1 must choose their path wisely. (At least for those who want to go to Utopia existences and so on.)
Then again anyone-1 can put a definition on Utopia and for some murder, war, bloodshed, abuse, rape and all those things could be their heaven.
Words are merely/only words to better understand/define something but Light and Dark, Good and Evil do not change what they are coming from the infinite/eternal perspective. Only within the mind of the interpreter defining such words/acts according to their current level of understanding/belief/perception based on one-1's education, upbringing, society, environment - Awareness Level - Consciousness - for the finite temporal 'TIME' being currently occupying the vehicle/body/flesh.
"I AM what I AM."
"When we speak of right and wrong, aren't we judging?"
One-1 is Distinguishing ONE-1 from the other and Choosing one-1 from the other recognizing that EVIL is not GOOD and GOOD is not EVIL.
DARK and LIGHT on the other hand (technically) are neither GOOD or EVIL but merely opposites one-1 to another.
However GOOD and EVIL are acts performed by someone-1 while DARK and LIGHT are merely opposites one-1 to another being neither EVIL or GOOD.
LOVE & PEACE
Respectfully
Best Wishes!
[edit on 5-6-2010 by ET_MAN]
Okay, I'm trying to follow, but a questionable thought just entered my mind. How do you specify who knows whether they are doing something good, or evil?
Does one-1 consider the following to be GOOD or EVIL?
Abusing, raping, torturing, murdering?
Helping, sharing, caring, giving?
By whose standards is it applicable? I mean in fact sure, someone could do something because of Free Will, but in the same breath is it their True Will to do it?
Free Will can be influenced by outside manipulations; which could make something seem not bad when it is, or good when it is bad.
Precisely and if one-1 is being manipulated by such outside influences believing that what they are doing is good then they are not held accountable in their hearts.
It's the HEART and INTENT of the heart inside that counts.
If one-1 has been manipulated into believing that sacrificing someone-1 through a ritual of some kind is only doing that person a service (As many ancient civilizations have done) and one-1 truly deep down inside believes that to be the case as they were brought up in such an environment, upbringing, belief and so on. Then one-1 is only held accountable to that which is in their heart according to their true INTENT/desire - WITHIN the heart are they held accountable.
But in Earth's case I would have to say that MOST on planet Earth know the basic fundamentals when it comes to Good and Evil such as.
Murder is not Good
Torturing another is not Good
Raping another is not Good and so on.
Helping someone-1 that was just ran over by a car on the side of the street is GOOD
Giving to someone-1 that has no food and is starving is GOOD
Visiting someone-1 that's going through a difficult time and needs company is GOOD and so on.
The Bible doesn't have any qualms with raping, murdering, having slaves, et el when it's 'gods' will.
Man should not follow a book or even religion for that matter unless it helps them to become a better person and live a better life. It's the HEART of MAN and their true Desires/Hopes/Wishes/Dreams--- INTENT that truly counts.
Religion is not necessary when it comes to the Eternal/Infinite perspective/outcome!
MAN should always follow their HEART and do what they feel is right for them. Everyone-1 is on their own path/journey and one-1 must ultimately decide/choose/learn for themselves and work on distinguishing one-1 from the other or Good from Evil.
It's the HEART of a person and the INTENT of a person's heart that counts and there are no judgments upon leaving the vehicle/body/flesh. It's the person living out their life making decisions and choosing their own path that is ultimately reaping what they sow according to the eternal unchangeable/unalterable law within duality existences such as Earth based on the law of consequence to action.
If a person jumps off a cliff they will fall.
If a person murders another and does it with INTENT and HATE knowing exactly what they are doing out of rage/anger/hate then they will reap their own reward based on their true intent and desire of their heart according to that which they believed they were doing.
Possibly you could line item, or list what you see as absolute evil, and absolute good; because it seems rather hard for me to see that, since from my point of view there is a lot of gray area.
One-1 must determine where to draw their own line on what is Good and what is Evil but for the most part (excluding mental disabilities/illnesses) the large majority currently occupying the vehicle/body/flesh on Earth understands that murder is not LOVE and would consider that to be an evil act - Rape, Abuse, Torture and so on.
When it comes to GOOD well I'm sure many of you out there have ideas on what is good if you search within yourselves.
And that doesn't necessarily mean "do unto others as you would want them to do unto you" but moreso do unto them according to what they would want you to do unto them.
Simply ask them and find out.
Be considerate, respectful, understanding and so on.
Also, last question.... A person does something evil, because it serves the greater good, does that mean the person is evil, or is it 'karma canceling' by doing one thing to build the opposite?
If one-1 truly has been manipulated and truly believes that what they are doing is for the betterment of mankind or whatever other reason and they sincerely have a good INTENT and HEART then they are held accountable according to the law of consequence to action based on their true INTENT of the Heart.
LOVE & PEACE
Best Wishes!
[edit on 5-6-2010 by ET_MAN]
reply to post by Unity_99
Ironic as it is....it is not for us to decide what each individual is in need of. If they are in need of a testing of a life of pride, greed, or jealousy...this will be the test they create for themselves...and failing the test, still offers them a way to learn from it. It is not a true failure...for they dont just get whisked off for eternity in some hell...they will learn from their wrongs...they will see their life through the divine eye...but you are right...we don't HAVE to consider those paths 'alright'. It is very obvious to me why we have service of self paths, attached to attributes like power and pride, in the positions as leasers and authorities. This position, fits their lessons and tests their being...perfectly. It is not done out of love, it is not done for others what so ever...this is a path of self. BUT...what we must understand...THEY HAVE TO LEARN THROUGH THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING....no one, can force upon them, their lessons....and words and offered understandings of why their path is not the best possible choice for them....will not do any good. We are in individual experiences so the Spirit complex can be fine tuned in every nook and cranny. At the same time, the path of self, the path of the leaders, dictators, ect....offer something to the entire world...they offer a mirror to look and, and with empathy for the victims, with empathy for the ones they hurt....we can learn what we dont want to be, and use this as a head start in life sometimes. In the ultimate picture here....both the bad and good offers the same value of 'learning'.
In the path of Spirit....yes, there is only one way to progress...through the offering of self, through love, unconditionally. In the path of self through, there is progression at times, through what we might see as very negative things....because we must, absolutely must, learn about the self first, before we can even begin the path of others, the path of unity, the path of all, the path of the Holy Spirit. Some are going to have to take the path of self as far as it will let them, before they will look back and see...it only progress's, to loop back around, back to where they began. This may happen many times for some...I think here, now....we see some that have tried to make this choice and journey many times...and we see again, they are choosing a path of self. If this is what they choose in the end....then it shows what they are still in need of learning about the 'self'.
I have learned much about the history of man through the negative paths of others....I am glad I have the past to weigh and measure what I find to be paths that will work....AND the paths that will not. I am glad I can look at the path of belief in 'chosen ones' and see that it is not what man that it was. I can look back and see that the path of blood sacrifice...is not, what man thought it was. For things like this, already being a part of our past....I am thankful, for they now, help me weigh and measure, what my path will be.
We cant force another to see the path of greed is wrong or bad...because to them, in their path of self....it is not about a right or wrong...its about 'learning' and they will then reap what they sow...offering a lesson to themselves that is very valid, be good or bad.
Does that make sense? I ramble through words...often not knowing if my thought gets across
When we can have a group that is on the path of others, in abundance, then yes....we will see mountains move
Much love
LV
but this does not mean at the same time that we should ever consider that its alright to do wrong in the serivce of authority, leaders, country, religions, or to consider this form of abuse Love, done in love for us. There is only one way to progress, that occurs when each soul finds love, and desires an equal world, with peace and abundane for all, unconditional love, and equality.
Ironic as it is....it is not for us to decide what each individual is in need of. If they are in need of a testing of a life of pride, greed, or jealousy...this will be the test they create for themselves...and failing the test, still offers them a way to learn from it. It is not a true failure...for they dont just get whisked off for eternity in some hell...they will learn from their wrongs...they will see their life through the divine eye...but you are right...we don't HAVE to consider those paths 'alright'. It is very obvious to me why we have service of self paths, attached to attributes like power and pride, in the positions as leasers and authorities. This position, fits their lessons and tests their being...perfectly. It is not done out of love, it is not done for others what so ever...this is a path of self. BUT...what we must understand...THEY HAVE TO LEARN THROUGH THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING....no one, can force upon them, their lessons....and words and offered understandings of why their path is not the best possible choice for them....will not do any good. We are in individual experiences so the Spirit complex can be fine tuned in every nook and cranny. At the same time, the path of self, the path of the leaders, dictators, ect....offer something to the entire world...they offer a mirror to look and, and with empathy for the victims, with empathy for the ones they hurt....we can learn what we dont want to be, and use this as a head start in life sometimes. In the ultimate picture here....both the bad and good offers the same value of 'learning'.
In the path of Spirit....yes, there is only one way to progress...through the offering of self, through love, unconditionally. In the path of self through, there is progression at times, through what we might see as very negative things....because we must, absolutely must, learn about the self first, before we can even begin the path of others, the path of unity, the path of all, the path of the Holy Spirit. Some are going to have to take the path of self as far as it will let them, before they will look back and see...it only progress's, to loop back around, back to where they began. This may happen many times for some...I think here, now....we see some that have tried to make this choice and journey many times...and we see again, they are choosing a path of self. If this is what they choose in the end....then it shows what they are still in need of learning about the 'self'.
I have learned much about the history of man through the negative paths of others....I am glad I have the past to weigh and measure what I find to be paths that will work....AND the paths that will not. I am glad I can look at the path of belief in 'chosen ones' and see that it is not what man that it was. I can look back and see that the path of blood sacrifice...is not, what man thought it was. For things like this, already being a part of our past....I am thankful, for they now, help me weigh and measure, what my path will be.
We cant force another to see the path of greed is wrong or bad...because to them, in their path of self....it is not about a right or wrong...its about 'learning' and they will then reap what they sow...offering a lesson to themselves that is very valid, be good or bad.
Does that make sense? I ramble through words...often not knowing if my thought gets across
When we can have a group that is on the path of others, in abundance, then yes....we will see mountains move
Much love
LV
reply to post by Unity_99
Ah Unity99! More great stuff from you! Much love to you! So if we understand the game. That is all an illusion. Why would we want to advance to a higher dimension, frequency? It too is just another illusion. Why exchange one illusion for the other? I am bored with this game. I do not want to play anymore. Why must I participate in this childishness?!! What's it like when all illusion is rent assunder? When one is sick of the game and realises that there is no spoon, where do you go? Does one finally get to merge with the infinate Creator? If so, would'nt you experience everything simultaneously? You would see through every creatures eye, hear through every ear and be one with each of your creations. No more illusions. Let's start a new game. I want the joystick in my hand this time, don't you?
Ah Unity99! More great stuff from you! Much love to you! So if we understand the game. That is all an illusion. Why would we want to advance to a higher dimension, frequency? It too is just another illusion. Why exchange one illusion for the other? I am bored with this game. I do not want to play anymore. Why must I participate in this childishness?!! What's it like when all illusion is rent assunder? When one is sick of the game and realises that there is no spoon, where do you go? Does one finally get to merge with the infinate Creator? If so, would'nt you experience everything simultaneously? You would see through every creatures eye, hear through every ear and be one with each of your creations. No more illusions. Let's start a new game. I want the joystick in my hand this time, don't you?
reply to post by LeoVirgo
Surprisngly, you'd be a little closer to the answers here than we think when we examine our lives and pay attention to what others are going through, in our hearts, not global things like wars or earthquakes, but the kind of daily tests and weaknesses we all have.
Our Higher Selves are the ones in control of our test. We are the Many In One, the Designers/Programmers/Creators, and all is in the hands of Higher Self, and the Family of Light.
We know a lot more than we give ourselves credit for and need only to journey within and connect ot ourselves, and also, sungaze a lot, to connect to HS and the Family from the Beyond, for teh stars are the lasers/projectors beaming this hollogram in from the Beyond, they are your phone home line and a reflection of our Light!
We need to love and lend a helping hand here, for its why we're here. Earth isn't really a starting level, its a very hard place/test. For some its like a prison planet, and they were demoted here, after consequence to actions/karma. For others, its like the last step, higher Ets come here to learn the hard lessons to go home. Its many things rolled up into one, but we all need to do the same things to pass the tests and progress.
So no matter what lessons each one is on, there are things we all need to pay attention to with our own gifts and individual insights to grow beyond this school, and they all pertain to love, equlaity, and helping.
Surprisngly, you'd be a little closer to the answers here than we think when we examine our lives and pay attention to what others are going through, in our hearts, not global things like wars or earthquakes, but the kind of daily tests and weaknesses we all have.
Our Higher Selves are the ones in control of our test. We are the Many In One, the Designers/Programmers/Creators, and all is in the hands of Higher Self, and the Family of Light.
We know a lot more than we give ourselves credit for and need only to journey within and connect ot ourselves, and also, sungaze a lot, to connect to HS and the Family from the Beyond, for teh stars are the lasers/projectors beaming this hollogram in from the Beyond, they are your phone home line and a reflection of our Light!
We need to love and lend a helping hand here, for its why we're here. Earth isn't really a starting level, its a very hard place/test. For some its like a prison planet, and they were demoted here, after consequence to actions/karma. For others, its like the last step, higher Ets come here to learn the hard lessons to go home. Its many things rolled up into one, but we all need to do the same things to pass the tests and progress.
So no matter what lessons each one is on, there are things we all need to pay attention to with our own gifts and individual insights to grow beyond this school, and they all pertain to love, equlaity, and helping.
Originally posted by Klaatumagnum
reply to post by Unity_99
Ah Unity99! More great stuff from you! Much love to you! So if we understand the game. That is all an illusion. Why would we want to advance to a higher dimension, frequency? It too is just another illusion. Why exchange one illusion for the other? I am bored with this game. I do not want to play anymore. Why must I participate in this childishness?!! What's it like when all illusion is rent assunder? When one is sick of the game and realises that there is no spoon, where do you go? Does one finally get to merge with the infinate Creator? If so, would'nt you experience everything simultaneously? You would see through every creatures eye, hear through every ear and be one with each of your creations. No more illusions. Let's start a new game. I want the joystick in my hand this time, don't you?
We are ourselves, and one with each other, once we progress, we are in the Universal Understanding, where our innermost thoughts are understood, ONE-1. But we don't merge into Oneness like that!
The reasons for being here are as far as I can determine, and based on various people I've met, 3 so far: one, being demoted to this as a prison/school due to karma. (in Infinity, we've been at this for a long time, and this is not our starting point). two, many are higher level ETs/Cosmic citizens already, and this harder test is more like a Final Exam, and some are definitely trapped here for a long time, and three, those who come in from the Universe and Beyond/outside the Universe, to assist family and try to get them out of here.
Within your heart and soul, you will find the answers to this, or guess at it, and in any case, it is sometimes a choice to be here, and other times we are put here to learn after going through what we've done to others.
I understand how you feel and we want to progress.
There is no "higher", "lower", "past", "future", but....there is progression and these are concepts we have.
I have saved a wonderful skype conversation with an indigo starseed that has been here for some time, who is waking up and insisted on writing to a friend fo mine who he didnt know from Finland, and he recognized him and spoke immediately that he knew he was watching over him all his life, and much was said.
One thing he said was he was down for the fight here, that he had come for the shift, that now he was on 5 levels of consicousness, but soon he would be on hundreds of thousands of levels.
So there is most definitely a very big point to passing. Eutopia's beyond our imagination, lessons and schools, love and understanding, expanded consciousness, and empowerment, and still the model to help others, true love and family.
I keep saying sungaze, and will keep on saying it, just make that connection to your family.
Much Love & Light to you!
edit i think im not understanding this after typeing this ,i read a few more posts ,maybe im way off not understanding
Your right.
i often think this ,even the way we use language even this typed hear on ats ,
i find i can come across as makeing me out to be wrong even when i read back to my self what i typed???
its just because people dont see the or my expressions and body language,Body language can make no to a yes.
you can end up being clicked a foe ,so a ATS pier judged you\me and its because words mean diff things to diff countrys cultures,even familys.
you have to respect other peoples property,and peoples rights to live a life without fear and oppression, and don let fear rule you if somebody is speaking telling something to others about you which you might not like dont you react with negative response ,talk and find common ground ,be friendly send good intention towards the negative aspects of that person, follow that through life from being young and your going to be golden in your old age, you create the golden years,I was a bit daft and got upset easy and responded with the same negative reaction to people who did this ,i dont do this now,Is it age/wisdom. i know i wish i was able to not snap when i was younger ,IM diegressing sorry
all the law can be boiled down i think to the basic ten comandments ,it covers a lot of stuff.
so try and stick to them everybody,
especially you young ones..
I shouldn't preach because ive slipped up bad when younger i broke these out of the ten comands,
my age was 18 to 25 ,i broke 2 ,4 , 7 and 8 and 10.. im screwed??
it scares the # out of me knowing this ,i pray for forgiveness ,Its even worse since reading stuff here:-)
what i know since being on ATS...WOW ,some one just walked on my grave as i typed those comandment numbers....
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
taken from
www.the-ten-commandments.org...
[edit on 6/5/2010 by dashar]
[edit on 6/5/2010 by dashar]
Your right.
i often think this ,even the way we use language even this typed hear on ats ,
i find i can come across as makeing me out to be wrong even when i read back to my self what i typed???
its just because people dont see the or my expressions and body language,Body language can make no to a yes.
you can end up being clicked a foe ,so a ATS pier judged you\me and its because words mean diff things to diff countrys cultures,even familys.
you have to respect other peoples property,and peoples rights to live a life without fear and oppression, and don let fear rule you if somebody is speaking telling something to others about you which you might not like dont you react with negative response ,talk and find common ground ,be friendly send good intention towards the negative aspects of that person, follow that through life from being young and your going to be golden in your old age, you create the golden years,I was a bit daft and got upset easy and responded with the same negative reaction to people who did this ,i dont do this now,Is it age/wisdom. i know i wish i was able to not snap when i was younger ,IM diegressing sorry
all the law can be boiled down i think to the basic ten comandments ,it covers a lot of stuff.
so try and stick to them everybody,
especially you young ones..
I shouldn't preach because ive slipped up bad when younger i broke these out of the ten comands,
my age was 18 to 25 ,i broke 2 ,4 , 7 and 8 and 10.. im screwed??
it scares the # out of me knowing this ,i pray for forgiveness ,Its even worse since reading stuff here:-)
what i know since being on ATS...WOW ,some one just walked on my grave as i typed those comandment numbers....
The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV)
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
taken from
www.the-ten-commandments.org...
[edit on 6/5/2010 by dashar]
[edit on 6/5/2010 by dashar]
reply to post by dashar
The ten commandments are for the spiritually immature.
It would not be considered overly irrational for a parent to spank a child that tends to run into the street whenever a car passes. However, if your child does not learn from the law that the whole point of order is life, it is not wholly unexpected that they will also not learn from freedom that the whole point of charity is life. Order without Charity is Pride. Charity without Order is Chaos.
So long as the hearts of men require a written law as the unwise, the false shepherds will reign over them. Only by God manifested will shepherds rise up to be strong without brittleness, shepherds who do not handle the sheep harshly so that they may eventually be shepherds as well.
This is why the law is summed up easily;
Pride and chaos lead to death.
Life is orderly charity or charitable order, not pride, nor chaos.
So then;
Honor God who is Life, and not a creature made by Life.
Honor your neighbor as a god for all who press on will truly increase in/to/into Life.
Simplified again;
Life is alive. Express Life.
[edit on 6/5/2010 by Dasher]
The ten commandments are for the spiritually immature.
It would not be considered overly irrational for a parent to spank a child that tends to run into the street whenever a car passes. However, if your child does not learn from the law that the whole point of order is life, it is not wholly unexpected that they will also not learn from freedom that the whole point of charity is life. Order without Charity is Pride. Charity without Order is Chaos.
So long as the hearts of men require a written law as the unwise, the false shepherds will reign over them. Only by God manifested will shepherds rise up to be strong without brittleness, shepherds who do not handle the sheep harshly so that they may eventually be shepherds as well.
This is why the law is summed up easily;
Pride and chaos lead to death.
Life is orderly charity or charitable order, not pride, nor chaos.
So then;
Honor God who is Life, and not a creature made by Life.
Honor your neighbor as a god for all who press on will truly increase in/to/into Life.
Simplified again;
Life is alive. Express Life.
[edit on 6/5/2010 by Dasher]
when god says i am the lord your god.
I dont get a picture of a man in a chair white hair with staff,
I think god is a the consiousness of the whole magnetic quantum electric universe ,finer than quantum something magnificent but unseen but can be felt or experienced ,i do believe certain people have been used to set the rules though and have correctly interpreted the best way for the common person to live a good life,sadley these teachings have been lost,twisted ,edited,burned ,even corupted for political gain and prophet.what i am saying about the ten comands is they cover all events really every event a man might encounter on the path to falling even further maybe to a 2d existence. every one of our modern laws can come under the ten laws without need of complex courts and lawyers.
Being good to your brother neighbour is the key, only you can open the gates and walk the path.each is his own vessel filled with soul and holy spirit which is from god who i believe permeates everything ,your blood records every word and deed you speak or do,Be aware of this before the returning to the one i think we judge ourselves and can not avoid this and truth will out no matter how you think ou can cheat this its a impossibility to alter the outcome ,we need to live it deeds and life style matter.
I only wish i knew all this earlier.children should be taught this. i still think we have a place for special people who we can say are more intouch and can interpret the one divine source ,these enlightened humans should be used as examples.but god told us to not build idols this tells me alot,how do we make an idol or image of what we can not fathom or see
I dont get a picture of a man in a chair white hair with staff,
I think god is a the consiousness of the whole magnetic quantum electric universe ,finer than quantum something magnificent but unseen but can be felt or experienced ,i do believe certain people have been used to set the rules though and have correctly interpreted the best way for the common person to live a good life,sadley these teachings have been lost,twisted ,edited,burned ,even corupted for political gain and prophet.what i am saying about the ten comands is they cover all events really every event a man might encounter on the path to falling even further maybe to a 2d existence. every one of our modern laws can come under the ten laws without need of complex courts and lawyers.
Being good to your brother neighbour is the key, only you can open the gates and walk the path.each is his own vessel filled with soul and holy spirit which is from god who i believe permeates everything ,your blood records every word and deed you speak or do,Be aware of this before the returning to the one i think we judge ourselves and can not avoid this and truth will out no matter how you think ou can cheat this its a impossibility to alter the outcome ,we need to live it deeds and life style matter.
I only wish i knew all this earlier.children should be taught this. i still think we have a place for special people who we can say are more intouch and can interpret the one divine source ,these enlightened humans should be used as examples.but god told us to not build idols this tells me alot,how do we make an idol or image of what we can not fathom or see
if oneness is likened to becoming as a true self without seperation, where being as one within spirit and mind or as joined with creator,
then anything outside of spirit/mind is seen as like illusion, or not as oneness as trueself. the body and all reality that is outside of that within, is not a oneness as such but a seperation of trueself, a falseself and seperation from creator and spirit.
being as trueself, one as creator/spirit, where there is only love and understanding, no wars or pain, no sorrow or even death.
the body and world we now see, does not abide to these, so is really being viewed as a falseself and as seperation from the trueself or being as one with creator.
if the thoughts of oneness can be projected outside of mind/spirit, to what the body and life around us see and feel, then that oneness in itself is also as false and seperation, not of trueself or as one with creator.
for true oneness is in being equal in spirit with all, through mind and spirit which is all encompassing,
then for as in the relm of perception through true mind, nothing can really be outside of us or exist as anything other or any less than perfect in every way.
then anything outside of spirit/mind is seen as like illusion, or not as oneness as trueself. the body and all reality that is outside of that within, is not a oneness as such but a seperation of trueself, a falseself and seperation from creator and spirit.
being as trueself, one as creator/spirit, where there is only love and understanding, no wars or pain, no sorrow or even death.
the body and world we now see, does not abide to these, so is really being viewed as a falseself and as seperation from the trueself or being as one with creator.
if the thoughts of oneness can be projected outside of mind/spirit, to what the body and life around us see and feel, then that oneness in itself is also as false and seperation, not of trueself or as one with creator.
for true oneness is in being equal in spirit with all, through mind and spirit which is all encompassing,
then for as in the relm of perception through true mind, nothing can really be outside of us or exist as anything other or any less than perfect in every way.
reply to post by redgy
On reading responses on this thread, I feel we are complicating the issue. For example, what is conscience? As a child, I KNEW internally what was right, what was wrong. Often, I gave in, followed my worst instincts. Perhaps I didn't fully understand the consequences of my actions, i.e. cause & effect, but I KNEW by inner taste I was doing wrong. However, when I was SHOWN the repercussions of my act, I felt disgusted with myself. I wasn't TOLD that what I was doing was wrong or evil, but the effects made it plain.
To err is human, they say. The effects of human error are in full sight, everywhere we look. Even the worst atrocities are always justified in the eyes of the perpetrator, hypocrisy smothering the effects.
mclinking
On reading responses on this thread, I feel we are complicating the issue. For example, what is conscience? As a child, I KNEW internally what was right, what was wrong. Often, I gave in, followed my worst instincts. Perhaps I didn't fully understand the consequences of my actions, i.e. cause & effect, but I KNEW by inner taste I was doing wrong. However, when I was SHOWN the repercussions of my act, I felt disgusted with myself. I wasn't TOLD that what I was doing was wrong or evil, but the effects made it plain.
To err is human, they say. The effects of human error are in full sight, everywhere we look. Even the worst atrocities are always justified in the eyes of the perpetrator, hypocrisy smothering the effects.
mclinking
There is no right or wrong , it's just the way you think it!
Firstly, right and wrong are just ideas or concepts. Words to describe what exactly. Any example put forward are just concepts and ideas. We can talk all day about what we think is wrong with the world or with him or with her or with ourselves. Not much right is seen by us humans. We have been taught by the good and righteous religions that we are bad and wrong and that we will be punished. Before words, without words who could say ' this is wrong'?
We are born into a dream of separation. It is a dream of separation, yet really it is, and has always been, one. We feel unhappy and in need, so we search for what ever we feel we have lost. Because the oneness is not seen, known, we imagine this other that we ask advice from in our head. This other is none other, than the false image of god that god tells you not to worship. The Identity entity is the infiltrator.
There is only the holy union of this experience. What you are is the holy grail, the empty vessel, the space in which the miracle of life happens.
There is only perfection and love in the moment, the now. Yet humans live in the past, future, concepts, ideas of right and wrong. Words are the cause of right and wrong, beliefs, i'm right and you are wrong, i'll prove it with words. Nothing can be proven with words. Life is life, beautiful, amazing. Presence. Appearances appearing in awareness.
It is all the judgments that prevent the thanks giving.
Don't even say thanks, just don't complain.
Love is all there is.
Firstly, right and wrong are just ideas or concepts. Words to describe what exactly. Any example put forward are just concepts and ideas. We can talk all day about what we think is wrong with the world or with him or with her or with ourselves. Not much right is seen by us humans. We have been taught by the good and righteous religions that we are bad and wrong and that we will be punished. Before words, without words who could say ' this is wrong'?
We are born into a dream of separation. It is a dream of separation, yet really it is, and has always been, one. We feel unhappy and in need, so we search for what ever we feel we have lost. Because the oneness is not seen, known, we imagine this other that we ask advice from in our head. This other is none other, than the false image of god that god tells you not to worship. The Identity entity is the infiltrator.
There is only the holy union of this experience. What you are is the holy grail, the empty vessel, the space in which the miracle of life happens.
There is only perfection and love in the moment, the now. Yet humans live in the past, future, concepts, ideas of right and wrong. Words are the cause of right and wrong, beliefs, i'm right and you are wrong, i'll prove it with words. Nothing can be proven with words. Life is life, beautiful, amazing. Presence. Appearances appearing in awareness.
It is all the judgments that prevent the thanks giving.
Don't even say thanks, just don't complain.
Love is all there is.
yep, humans are imperfect and far from being godlike in design and practice,
being human doesn't imply that one is always right or always wrong in how they follow their own self awareness of thoughts and knowledge that one believes seemingly to exist within themselves, or how it's carried out into practice in this life they live.
can a godself or oneness to a perfect creator, really exist within imperfect selves or an imperfect world, and can such a state of perfectness be achieved throughout the reality that we all exist within.
is it possible then through these self thoughts and or conscious mind that one allows to bring about a control of self and actions as a guide, really only there for the sole reason of bringing one to light or closer as one to creator and perfectness,
or could they be for a purpose of knowledge in remembering and awareness of how one should react in the things that exist outside and are experienced through oneself.
whatever the reasoning, actions or thoughts of self that comes through mind, body or conscience, right will always be better than wrong as good is as opposite to evil.
as to how these things might exist within oneself, maybe just through some self held spiritual or similar belief or maybe as through some form of past teachings or learnings one has received and taken throughout ones life as known. all as in knowledge and stored by conscience,mind or spirit of ones own self.
only self can truely know or understand what lies within and however one believes as being true the actions, thoughts or self reasoning in why one lives and acts their life as one does is an answer only they themselves can know or understand to perfection.
being human doesn't imply that one is always right or always wrong in how they follow their own self awareness of thoughts and knowledge that one believes seemingly to exist within themselves, or how it's carried out into practice in this life they live.
can a godself or oneness to a perfect creator, really exist within imperfect selves or an imperfect world, and can such a state of perfectness be achieved throughout the reality that we all exist within.
is it possible then through these self thoughts and or conscious mind that one allows to bring about a control of self and actions as a guide, really only there for the sole reason of bringing one to light or closer as one to creator and perfectness,
or could they be for a purpose of knowledge in remembering and awareness of how one should react in the things that exist outside and are experienced through oneself.
whatever the reasoning, actions or thoughts of self that comes through mind, body or conscience, right will always be better than wrong as good is as opposite to evil.
as to how these things might exist within oneself, maybe just through some self held spiritual or similar belief or maybe as through some form of past teachings or learnings one has received and taken throughout ones life as known. all as in knowledge and stored by conscience,mind or spirit of ones own self.
only self can truely know or understand what lies within and however one believes as being true the actions, thoughts or self reasoning in why one lives and acts their life as one does is an answer only they themselves can know or understand to perfection.
reply to post by LeoVirgo
What you've said is the nearest to what I feel is the truth. But I'll add what I think :
Yes, we are all in a prison, but a self-imposed prison, yet we've forgotten. Secondly, we are taking the 'long way home', i.e. experience - to return to our spiritual roots.
Do we live in a freewill universe? Yes, but conditioning today is so THOROUGH that we live like machines, i.e. automatically, have instant emotional reactions, minds having no fluidity or freedom of thought, just the opinions of others indelibly engraved in endless books and videos. Whoever we are, we're just products of environment. And when it comes to our moments of 'enlightenment', wishful thinking wins every time. I have read accounts from all those claiming to know the secret and they all DIFFER, as if to say 'Follow me!'
Now, if we can take the 'me' out of all these outpourings of professions of what is the truth, then maybe we can get somewhere!
mclinking
What you've said is the nearest to what I feel is the truth. But I'll add what I think :
Yes, we are all in a prison, but a self-imposed prison, yet we've forgotten. Secondly, we are taking the 'long way home', i.e. experience - to return to our spiritual roots.
Do we live in a freewill universe? Yes, but conditioning today is so THOROUGH that we live like machines, i.e. automatically, have instant emotional reactions, minds having no fluidity or freedom of thought, just the opinions of others indelibly engraved in endless books and videos. Whoever we are, we're just products of environment. And when it comes to our moments of 'enlightenment', wishful thinking wins every time. I have read accounts from all those claiming to know the secret and they all DIFFER, as if to say 'Follow me!'
Now, if we can take the 'me' out of all these outpourings of professions of what is the truth, then maybe we can get somewhere!
mclinking
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Interesting reply! Do you find it happenstance we are taking the long way...?
I see it as needed...for we have to figure it out for ourselves, and in that figuring, there will be much trial and error...to find out what works.
I would like to ask you...do you find the path of seeking ascension as a path of self? Do you think those that seek ascension are 'going home' in the sense that they think they are?
My take on that is that they may find rest for a while...progression in the self, for a while...only to look back and see that something is missing that they NEED for progression further....which is their other selves that are still learning. This is why we see some from lets say a 6d existence, coming back to the 3d experience....to try to sift through for a different choice of path...the choice, through their own free will, to live for others....all the way to the degree of being willing to 'stay' with the one's that are still learning...and be what ever is needed for the ALL. Not seeking rewards, not seeking salvation, not seeking ascension for self...but just willing to offer yourself back to the purpose of unity, the purpose to help all the other selves...find the path of service to others.
If we are aware that all is one...then how much more progression for 'self' does that soul need in the path of 'self'? To me, this shows who is here to make the choice....the ones that are aware all is ONE...are the ones here to make a choice on their own will....to offer themselves to what ever the Spirit is in need of them to be for the Divine purpose.
Does that make sense?
Interesting reply! Do you find it happenstance we are taking the long way...?
I see it as needed...for we have to figure it out for ourselves, and in that figuring, there will be much trial and error...to find out what works.
I would like to ask you...do you find the path of seeking ascension as a path of self? Do you think those that seek ascension are 'going home' in the sense that they think they are?
My take on that is that they may find rest for a while...progression in the self, for a while...only to look back and see that something is missing that they NEED for progression further....which is their other selves that are still learning. This is why we see some from lets say a 6d existence, coming back to the 3d experience....to try to sift through for a different choice of path...the choice, through their own free will, to live for others....all the way to the degree of being willing to 'stay' with the one's that are still learning...and be what ever is needed for the ALL. Not seeking rewards, not seeking salvation, not seeking ascension for self...but just willing to offer yourself back to the purpose of unity, the purpose to help all the other selves...find the path of service to others.
If we are aware that all is one...then how much more progression for 'self' does that soul need in the path of 'self'? To me, this shows who is here to make the choice....the ones that are aware all is ONE...are the ones here to make a choice on their own will....to offer themselves to what ever the Spirit is in need of them to be for the Divine purpose.
Does that make sense?
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Quote - Interesting reply! Do you find it happenstance we are taking the long way...?
I see it as needed...for we have to figure it out for ourselves, and in that figuring, there will be much trial and error...to find out what works.
I would like to ask you...do you find the path of seeking ascension as a path of self? Do you think those that seek ascension are 'going home' in the sense that they think they are? - end quote.
I can't speak for others, but I feel I AM taking the long way. Of course for those who DON'T know they're in a prison, they must be! As it stands, they can't escape.
Is ascension a path of self? For me, undoubtably yes, a question of the physician healing himself FIRST, casting the mote out of the eye. This is the route of the Conscious Egoist - that's what I'm working on. At the moment, I don't feel capable of helping others, am still far too subjective. Here one has to be ultra-careful of deluding oneself of building up credits in heaven-knows-where, where self-gratification is masking as love, i.e. 'it feels so good to care, to feel so bad about the plight of others.' It might seem genuine, but it might be spiritual pride.
mclinking
Quote - Interesting reply! Do you find it happenstance we are taking the long way...?
I see it as needed...for we have to figure it out for ourselves, and in that figuring, there will be much trial and error...to find out what works.
I would like to ask you...do you find the path of seeking ascension as a path of self? Do you think those that seek ascension are 'going home' in the sense that they think they are? - end quote.
I can't speak for others, but I feel I AM taking the long way. Of course for those who DON'T know they're in a prison, they must be! As it stands, they can't escape.
Is ascension a path of self? For me, undoubtably yes, a question of the physician healing himself FIRST, casting the mote out of the eye. This is the route of the Conscious Egoist - that's what I'm working on. At the moment, I don't feel capable of helping others, am still far too subjective. Here one has to be ultra-careful of deluding oneself of building up credits in heaven-knows-where, where self-gratification is masking as love, i.e. 'it feels so good to care, to feel so bad about the plight of others.' It might seem genuine, but it might be spiritual pride.
mclinking
Quotes and added information!
First of all where there is no all or first heaven and hell are merely words to better describe something and can take on new meanings depending on one-1's version/definition of the words. In the same way that Right and Wrong can take on new meanings/definitions depending on one-1's upbringing, culture, belief, background, education, society and so on.
To answer your-1 question yes heaven and hell type existences do exist.
Love is not Evil and Evil is not Love.
There are two sides to a road, one-1 decides which direction one-1 takes.
The choice is yours to make, you-1 of course will ultimately decide and choose whatever you-1 want to choose.
I've saved this quote from another thread on one of Mclinking's posts that is applicable to the afterlife and the video's I've added below (used only as an example) which gives an idea (metaphorically speaking) of what it can be like for some depending on one-1's situation/circumstance.
Always follow your-1 heart!
One-1 should live their life however they want to but never forget that there are consequences to action and what a person puts out and does to others will come back to them in one-1 form/way or another whether in this lifetime or the next.
No religion/belief is required, the only one-1 thing necessary is to recognize that there is a Good and Evil according to the infinite one-1 law of consequence to action.
Find your way home through LOVE which is GOOD.
Simply put one-1 should live their life to the best of their ability in the best way they know how, trying not to harm or hurt others and they are just fine.
LOVE is the ticket to higher states of existence.
It's the HEART and INTENT of a person that truly counts.
It's not a requirement to serve others. If you-1 are working on progressing and working on learning from your-1 mistakes then you-1 are doing just fine and are right where you-1 need to be for the 'TIME' being where there is no time.
There's a lot of torment and suffering going on right here on Earth but there are much worse places than Earth.
Best Wishes to you and your journey!
[edit on 6-6-2010 by ET_MAN]
“They are not following dharma who resort to violence to achieve their purpose. But those who lead others through nonviolent means, knowing right and wrong, may be called guardians of the dharma.”Buddha quotes (Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism, 563-483 B.C.)
“There is no easy formula for determining right and wrong livelihood, but it is essential to keep the question alive. To return the sense of dignity and honor to manhood, we have to stop pretending that we can make a living at something that is trivial or destructive and still have sense of legitimate self-worth. A society in which vocation and job are separated for most people gradually creates an economy that is often devoid of spirit, one that frequently fills our pocketbooks at the cost of emptying our souls.”
"If you think it is difficult to do the right thing with your life, think about how difficult it will be to live your life doing the wrong things. Many people think doing the right thing is hard, and I agree with them, it is hard. On the other hand, doing the wrong thing seems easy, but boy, oh boy, does it get hard fast. And undoing the wrong thing seems to take a lot more time and energy than we thought, all the while taking this effort away from doing the right thing. So before you go for that easy, comfortable wrong thing, take a second look at what will be involved in undoing it, and then do the right thing. Believe it or not, doing the right thing turns out to be doing the easiest thing.”
"The truth of the matter is that you always know the right thing to do. The hard part is doing it."
--
you speak of life after death eternity and gods or beings of intelligence and wisdom and the like
but i am curious on what you have to say on heaven and hell would you tell me they are real? or that they are real but not what people have described them as as?
First of all where there is no all or first heaven and hell are merely words to better describe something and can take on new meanings depending on one-1's version/definition of the words. In the same way that Right and Wrong can take on new meanings/definitions depending on one-1's upbringing, culture, belief, background, education, society and so on.
To answer your-1 question yes heaven and hell type existences do exist.
Love is not Evil and Evil is not Love.
There are two sides to a road, one-1 decides which direction one-1 takes.
The choice is yours to make, you-1 of course will ultimately decide and choose whatever you-1 want to choose.
I've saved this quote from another thread on one of Mclinking's posts that is applicable to the afterlife and the video's I've added below (used only as an example) which gives an idea (metaphorically speaking) of what it can be like for some depending on one-1's situation/circumstance.
"Right and wrong. Here's a sample of what wrong wreaks. This is based on discarnate accounts of an illusory world called 'Winterland' (as opposed to 'Summerland'), from a book 'Living On' by Paul Beard. In this world, the setting a man or woman finds him/herself in reflects the reality of their internal state :
'To enter these areas fills rescuers with a deep sense of distress ; these helpers, sensitive men and women, can themselves become affected and drawn into some of the negative emotions they seek to lift from others, and if they remain too long in this area, can be temporarily overcome by them. For the price to be paid in order to reach these minds is to lower their own consciousness and concepts to a level acceptable to and capable of being understood by those they hope to rescue.
'The Shadowland is a very real place indeed ; a gloomy murk covers it to which one has to become accustomed ; squalid dwellings inhabited by unhappy tormented beings who jeer and mock and pursue their warped existences, poor souls living in hatred and rebellion, sometimes in apathy and with a fierce denial that there is any other state of existence.'
As someone said 'Later never exists'.
So, whoever you are, get yourself straight now.
note : there is nothing personal in this post, apart from to say what evil reaps.
mclinking "
Always follow your-1 heart!
One-1 should live their life however they want to but never forget that there are consequences to action and what a person puts out and does to others will come back to them in one-1 form/way or another whether in this lifetime or the next.
would you tell me in order to experience this wonderful afterlife that i have to believe in something?
No religion/belief is required, the only one-1 thing necessary is to recognize that there is a Good and Evil according to the infinite one-1 law of consequence to action.
Find your way home through LOVE which is GOOD.
Simply put one-1 should live their life to the best of their ability in the best way they know how, trying not to harm or hurt others and they are just fine.
LOVE is the ticket to higher states of existence.
It's the HEART and INTENT of a person that truly counts.
It's not a requirement to serve others. If you-1 are working on progressing and working on learning from your-1 mistakes then you-1 are doing just fine and are right where you-1 need to be for the 'TIME' being where there is no time.
There's a lot of torment and suffering going on right here on Earth but there are much worse places than Earth.
Best Wishes to you and your journey!
[edit on 6-6-2010 by ET_MAN]
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