The times, they are a-changing -- The stressful days on ATS.

Well said, SO. I have tried my best to keep up with the recent events but there are so many new threads coming out all the time that it has become increasingly difficult to keep my head on straight. Indeed, we live in some very interesting times. We are looking down a road that could possibly lead us to the most deadly and planetary destructive war that has ever been known to man kind. But we do not know for sure as of yet.

Another agreement with SO. Steady. Steady, my friends. Don't let the writing hand get shaky just yet.

More the reason why i am here.

To be dealing with all that has been misrepresented in the past and dealing in our best way the future that stands before us.

I am here for a reason.

Please,

take notice that the effort was made.

I said a while back, in a thread, that sometimes I felt this very board led to people getting REALLY worried.

At least here, you get the truth.
Some of what is posted, as we know, is silly.

But I agree here, I have been here for years, and in the start it was mainly UFO kind off stuff. Now we are almost a credible news source.

**QUESTION**

How long till we get a daily ATS programme ?
I think there could be something. There is THAT amount of interest.
I would love a daily/nightly news report from ATS.
Like the evening news, but from an ATS view.

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Well,I only know what is obvious.

Everything has happened before one way or another.

Quakes,volcanoes,countries against each other etc.

There is nothing new except we know about it instantly.

I do believe if a member gets enough "ignores" they should get a time out on posting.

I think there are individuals who have joined just to create controversy in threads as a form of entertainment for themselves.

Everyone remember:

☮NE ♥

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Good topic!

How are present times more important and stressful than the World Wars, the Korean War, the Missile Crisis, the Cold War, the Viet Nam War, Carter's Stagflation economic crisis, or Bush's Kuwait war?

The problem is with the human spirit. Every time there is a crisis it is the worst crisis, this crisis will end humanity as we know it, there is no way humanity can continue! Sort of pitiful really.

We all know in our hearts that things will just continue in spite of the oil spill, in spite of Obama and Pelose, in spite of whatever happens in the Mideast, in spite of Greece.

The Mideast, OMG, the tinderbox of humanity, what has not happened already, what probably will happen?

Is this not an ongoing process?

I could go on about all the missed prophesies of the past, needless to say, all the predictions of doom did not come to pass! Now that's a clue!

Take this one step further... The people who do not over react to this or any crisis are the winners. The ones that stay in the game, play the ups and downs to their advantage, etc....

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Now, more than ever, we need to accept that venting (within the ATS T&C) as an opportunity to understand how others are effected by the stress and turmoil of these days.

Here, especially now, our goal should not be to use ATS as our own personal soap box, but as a means to find understanding, or at the very-least as a path to learn how others are affected differently by the turmoil in the world.

Well said, sir.

There might be a fine line between being passionate, and outright irrational screaming, but there's seems to be an awful lot of screaming these days.

Originally posted by plumranch
How are present times more important and stressful than the World Wars, the Korean War, the Missile Crisis, the Cold War, the Viet Nam War, Carter's Stagflation economic crisis, or Bush's Kuwait war?

You seem to be in good spirits... are you sure you want me to answer that for you? It wont have much to do with the Gulf Gusher, yet, yesterdays problems pale in comparison while those same problems are resurfacing all over again at the same time.

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I feel very satisfied seeing that there have been large amounts of threads that point towards prophecies being fulfilled. These are the most fascinating to me,especially seeing so many different beliefs coming together on so many key elements.

For people of "faith",that can be very reassuring,but it does not diminish the seriousness of the devastation that has been foretold,or the sadness that accompanies such dire predictions.

Still,I want to see what is going on in the world. Once you "wake-up" and take "the red pill",there is no going back. We're here somedays whether we like it or not,because it has become a way of life...searching for truth and becoming "watchmen" in our own ways;sounding the alarms,reporting which way the winds seem to be blowing.

Reading how other people are thinking and reacting is another barometer I like watching,too,even when I disagree with their point of view. Frankly,alot of the posters here are products of the educational system we all agree has been deliberately manipulated to produce certain outcomes,and I see disturbing evidence of that every day. It's no accident that people are the way they are.

I'll even go so far as to say that the Communists goals have largely been achieved when it comes to weakening and dividing this country.

Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins's wrath by suggesting that Lenin's revolutionary plan wouldn't work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish...www.crossroad.to...

"1963 COMMUNIST GOALS FOR AMERICA"
neprimer.com...

People may argue over semantics,but the goals are the same,and it was all to pave the way for what I believe is the anti-christ system falling into place before our eyes. THAT is THE conspiracy I am watching above all.

Well said...

...but:

It does indeed, seem that things are falling apart, that social fabrics and physical networks are equally ragged, stressed to their breaking points.

People are scared, frustrated, angry, and very, very jumpy because they have genuine reason to be.

We do indeed need to take a deep breath, center ourselves and calm down.

We need to see each other and ourselves as real, genuine people who view the world through different lenses and from different sets of starting facts that overlap just frustratingly similar enough to make us think we are seeing and describing the same things.

To often we fail to distinguish who "we" are, much less who "they" are, because everyone we know knows who we are talking about. The cure for this is to present a variety of sources that not only back up your thought, but also those that find the weaknesses in it, honestly face the flaws in your thought and root them out, improving both your and others' understandings.

But that's just process.

The point is that the times so many have longed for are here.

The world is changing, like it or not. eventually things will get better. But it's going to be a long, rough ride, the more so if we don't honestly look at the picture and connect the dots.

I don't mean trivial things like various conspiracies and prophecies.

The Gulf disaster is the straw that will break the camel's back. August is optimistic, considering the anticipated hurricane season. Economies worldwide are staggering under various frauds at the top. Earthquakes, volanoes, corruption. We all know the litany, but we tend to think of them as seperate problems: they aren't, they are facets of the overarching problem of the physical degradation of the Earth, our home.

We need more that ever to be calm, centered, and polite.

We need also to be courageous enough to be afraid for where we are, for the honest truth is that the world is in pretty bad shape. To be unafraid in the present circumstances is to be irrational. Fear is not a bad thing if you use it to motivate yourself to change the circumstances causing the fear. Only when we confront the very real fears we face can we either do something about the situation or prepare to deal with the situation if things are beyond recovery.

The best thing about our ATS community is that we have a lot of folk who can see a lot of different aspects of a problem or situation, who are unafraid to share their perceptions of that aspect, and, most importantly, back up their viewpoints with solid research or suffer the consequences. Talk about "peer review"...sheesh, ATS can get tough sometimes if you skate the edge of the provable/verifiable. That tough peer review process tends to wring the facets and facts for each out of anything; it also tends to crack open closed minds, sooner or later.

I still consider myself a relative noob here, but I can see how many worldwide have drawn strength, comfort, and the informational tools they've needed form the intellectual space we call ATS in the time I've been around. I've seen the growth in membership zoom these past few months, mostly with folks who aren't used to the rigor or polite culture of the place. We all of us need to help share the load of being good examples and thinking before venting irresponsibly. Be patient with the new ones unused to us. I firmly believe that if there are any good solutions to our and the planet's difficulties, they will probably originate form the ideas tossed around here every day. So help train up the new in rigor and politeness, we may need them.

It's ok to be afraid, frustrated, and angry for genuine reasons, especially if you use it to ride the changes safely and bring others with you.

The world has already changed, but most don't realize it yet.

Originally posted by apacheman
I don't mean trivial things like various conspiracies and prophecies.

The Gulf disaster is the straw that will break the camel's back. August is optimistic, considering the anticipated hurricane season. Economies worldwide are staggering under various frauds at the top. Earthquakes, volanoes, corruption. We all know the litany, but we tend to think of them as seperate problems: they aren't, they are facets of the overarching problem of the physical degradation of the Earth, our home.

Right. A oil gusher that has already been done before and the Gulf lived totally trumps being on the verge of world war and global dictatorship... with a looming technological edge few today are prepared to imagine.

That oil being spilled before being processed and synthesized will surely do less harm to the environment long term than the products that would have been created out of it, and eventually dripped into both the soil all around, and dumped into landfills & water masses.

That's not to downplay severity of that situation, but it is to downplay over- emotionalism that people are gushing with that gusher. Maybe take that as a wake up call that oil is bad. I'm not saying it isn't. More than anything I advocate finding solutions and positivity from a non-permanent crisis as such. Oil is bad, and while biofuels wont solve all of our problems, I still advocate people to get a biodiesel processor and make your own biofuel for ONE DOLLAR a gallon.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Well said Skeptic Overlord, well said. The degradation of our world's condition often makes me fearful for our future too. We all need to rise up and take matters into our own hands, to make a better future for everyone involved.

I believe that all members would like to see a statistics of the new registrations from 31.05 till today , and compare it to an usual day

There's also a thread about it , how a software is being used for finding key words, but the software is not the issue here , but the people who are using it and come in forums spreading propaganda

I have started a thread , or two ,i don't even remember ,abut this as it began to be clear how people who just registered are posting only in threads covering a certain issue and taking a certain side

I don't believe that any of you want ATS to became in tool in others hand

My threads were deleted probably because they didn't presented any facts , it wasn't hate towards anyone nor was i insulting anyone , actually both threads were full with irony and i'm sure would have pulled up many smiles.
Just to mention that i was not being hateful or insulting

The point is, many of us would really like to us a statistic like i mentioned

www.youtube.com...

Anyone remember this song by the Youngbloods? I wish the version was still available that had ocean scenes instead,but this song is so beautiful,and really provides a good "time-out" from the commotion of the world,with a great message as well.

ATS's choice of advertisers and advertisements don't do much to lower the stress levels, do they ?

A stupid ad has hi-jacked my computer for the past ten or more minutes. IT's the 'Are You Naughty or Nice' ad.

ATS prevails upon us to tolerate the ads and not use ad-blockers

Yet this idiotic, RUDE advertiser is the perfect advertisement FOR --- ad-blockers !

I've posted the dilemma in the Board Issues thread, to no avail so far

There exists NO 'x' on the ad which allows the VICTIM to click the damn thing away


So deal with it swiftly please, SO. Otherwise, despite all the lofty sentiments here, ATS reveals itself as part of the problem

thanks

See yourself in everyone. Part of you exists in them.
This is the way to peace and understanding.

Hmm maybe there is a way to do some sort of poll where you ask questions about troubling issues.

Perhaps questions on several subjects.

How is your personal economic situation? Poor, Ok, Great.
Do you feel things are becoming worse? No, Maybe, Yes

Are you stressed lately? Rarely, Some times, Often?

Personally I would like to see a question or two similar to this, just because it would speak volumes and I know how it would turn out.

Do you trust government? No, Yes?

Do you trust corporations? No, Yes?

Do you feel oppressed ? No, Yes?

I really can't think of anything else to offer, other than a suggestion to study the issues that bother people. Find out what the most common denominators are and go from there maybe.

I can't really think of any other easier way to actually get a glimpse of what the general population thinks on those personal questions.

Perhaps the results would surprise us, perhaps the majority of people around here are not stressing out at all. Maybe they are digging every moment of life.

A Hard Rain's A-gonna Fall - by Bob Dylan



Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son ?
And where have you been my darling young one ?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways

I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, what did you see, my blue eyed son ?
And what did you see, my darling young one ?
I saw a newborn baby with wild wolves all around it
I saw a highway of diamonds with nobody on it
I saw a black branch with blood that kept drippin'
I saw a room full of men with their hammers a-bleedin'

I saw a white ladder all covered with water
I saw ten thousand takers whose tongues were all broken
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

And what did you hear, my blue-eyed son ?
And what did you hear, my darling young one ?
I heard the sound of a thunder, it roared out a warnin'
I heard the roar of a wave that could drown the whole world
I heard one hundred drummers whose hands were a-blazin'
I heard ten thousand whisperin' and nobody listenin'
I heard one person starve, I heard many people laughin'

Heard the song of a poet who died in the gutter
Heard the sound of a clown who cried in the alley
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Oh, who did you meet my blue-eyed son ?
Who did you meet, my darling young one ?
I met a young child beside a dead pony
I met a white man who walked a black dog
I met a young woman whose body was burning

I met a young girl, she gave me a rainbow
I met one man who was wounded in love
I met another man who was wounded and hatred
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son ?
And what'll you do now my darling young one ?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin'
I'll walk to the deepths of the deepest black forest
Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty

Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
Where the executioner's face is always well hidden
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
Where black is the color, where none is the number

And I'll tell and think it and speak it and breathe it
And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
But I'll know my songs well before I start singin'
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Thank you for this post. I am new to ATS as a member and find the multitude of views sometimes overwhelming - so many think they are "right". But I feel I've lived on this earth long enough to know that there is no black and white, right and wrong, but just shades of it.

What is right for you (ie another person) is not right for me, but the very least I can do, as someone who wants to make the world better, is try to understand where you are coming from and where you are going to - Difficult when all you have to go on is a few lines of text, but none of us are just what we write - we have all had experiences, good and bad, which have led us to our current understanding of the world.

Also I have seen several instances of misunderstandings of what has been written, or things taken out of context - again easy to do when all we have to go on is the written word, and we cannot see the emotion/feelings which inspired it (emoticons excepted).

We are all shouting at once - it is good to have a clear voice standing out once in a while - Thank you again.

It ain't easy to find the original....


Been creepin lately, too much guff makes my existence incoherent.

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If one has learned how to filter out facts-only propaganda and disinfo is nothing to worry about. It only becomes a problem when one has lost the ability to see clearly.