why do americans think the oil spill in the Gulf Of British Petroleum is a lot?

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


Because most Americans have been sissified and have no ability to think rationally about oil or any other subject , they have been trained to hate oil companies even though if they had no oil there lives would be vastly worse off than the worst oil spill could effect them ,
I love "big oil" and the relatively low cost of gas (which is way higher than it should be solely because of government tampering with the free market and and blocking off drilling for oil)
I like being able to get in my truck and drive someplace and have low cost food that is shipped to my local grocery store with oil burning trucks .
When the U.S. government enact policies that destroy peoples lives with the stroke of a pen its OK but when a corporation screws up its a crime .

Originally posted by grantbeed
Obviously you have done very little research as to the effects of such a massive oil spill.

are you suggesting the effects are more important than addressing the causes?

I suggest you go and look a little at the devastation that is caused by huge oil spills then come back and comment.

why bother? if we are not willing to pay attention to the causes, or change the causes, why bother with the effects?

there are 10 holes in a dam, and my fingers and thumbs are all plugging the holes. now an 11th hole pops up and i'm suppose to feel obligated to help with it, instead of re-examining who and what is responsible for putting the 11 holes in the dam in the first place?

Originally posted by SneakAPeek
This post is nothing but a racial bigotry trap.

can you please point out the racial statement i made?

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


If everyone around the WORLD stopped using oil and oil products right now, would that stop the gushing leak in the gulf?

NO.

You act like you are the only blameless one here--is there any plastic in your home? Petroleum product. You're just as guilty.

You don't seem to even care that the spill is growing daily--resulting in death of wetlands, and sea life.

As an example: Should we focus all the blame of religious wars and killings on those that wrote the books millennia ago? (cause)
Or would it be more practical to try to "clean up the mess" (the effects) in the here and now?

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Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

The annual amount of oil people normally take a bath with is zero barrels. You are comparing apples to oranges.

uh, you are wrong. there are many people with skin disorders which do add herbal and oils to their water.

uh, there are also oils in soaps and shampoos and conditioners, so i don't know where you are referencing your facts from, but you are misinformed.

Originally posted by churchhead
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

Why do you lump all Americans into one basket and call them greedy?

2nd line.

where did i call all americans greedy?

can you please back up your statement with proof?

can you quote where i used the word "greedy" in this thread, anywhere, besides this particular post?

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

The price of gas has gone down about 22 cents since the oil rig blew up

not at the gas stations in my town.

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


You realize that there isn't some time machine we can use to go back in time and stop the Deepwater Horizon from ever being built. We cannot change the fact that oil drilling has been going on for decades.

I think everyone will agree that using fossil fuels isn't the best way to produce energy in terms of planet health, sustainablity, or human health.

The thing that you are belittling, the growing spill, is NOW. It is something we CAN change in the immediate present. The cleanup and the effects of the spill will last for decades into the future.

Crying foul now about a business that has been in place for so long doesn't do anything to improve the situation or stop the flowing leak happening now.



[edit on 2/6/2010 by Chamberf=6]

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

The price of gas has gone down about 22 cents since the oil rig blew up

not at the gas stations in my town.

That's too bad for you. The national price average IS down.

This thread is nothing but ignorant and in my opinion should be deleated with a warning issued to th OP w/wo banning.

Your very closed minded and seem ignorant towards americans in a sterotypical way and for that you lose my respect. /ignore block to u OP!

No one cares how much oil BP lost, which according to you isn't a lot(I haven't done the math) but we do care about oil being in the ocean, where it doesn't belong and is considered a lot.

Pointless thread.

This is a British owned Corporation is it not? British Petroleum. B.P.

It is a foreign oil company that screwed up.

People whine and cry that the US is not the world's police, yet when something happens, the first thing they do is blame the US, and their lack of something.

It was not even a production well. That is why gas prices did not go up.

They are losing money in stocks based on reputation, not loss of oil from the leak.

My gas prices have actually gone down from 2.88 a gallon to 2.56 this morning - since the leak, most of that in the last two weeks.

BP was drilling near the US in International waters, but it is messing up our country and our coastline. We have a right to complain, but someone else needs to step in and police, cause the US is getting tired of it.




[edit on 2-6-2010 by Libertygal]

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


What are you on? Blaming Americans for consuming oil is utter madness, the very act of you posting on this forum means you have electricity, plastic, wire, metal and of course, an education - all granted to you by the industrial revolution that started in the UK - it was us brits that led the world this way with our inventions and science.

Have you seen the size of the cars people are buying in the UK with the full knowledge of the fuel requirements? 4x4 are big business over here.

Only smoking one cigarette a day still makes you a smoker dude!

I understand your point, but blaming one nation isn't the right way to go about it.

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


Points at the thick red goo along his beach and no one cleaning it up. The dead fish , the oil covered birds, and the vile smell. Changing his once pure white sands into a gross place no one wants to visit. I still want to kick the ceo of BP, transocean, Haliburton in the ball sack many times over. Most of the folks down here on he gulf coast have the same mindset.
It could take years to clean up. Who's going to pay? did you know you can dig down several inches into the sand on prince william sound and hit thick oil. They never cleaned that up eather.

So I really don't undestand folks posting stuff like the OP. If you said that out loud around here, youd be LYNCHED!

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by freeradical1
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stupid is as stupid does ....

how do you define stupid, stupid?


In less than five years B.P. has made a profit of 700 TRILLION dollars since we last voted for our capitol hill

yet, lobbiests wishes, laws past, B.P. refuses to flip the bill, nor with 700 TRILLION dollars can they clean the spill?

and since i dare stand up and speak, you call me stupid and imply that i'm mentally weak?

well, if i get an "F" from an "F", in my book that has to be at least a "D", while i think now you may be stupider than me. and i'm dumb as a rock, that's easy to see!

BS. The global GDP is only 55-60 trillion or so. 700/5 would mean this one company alone averaged 140 trillion a year? Get real. Also, your math doesn't add up. The U.S. consumes 22 million barrels of oil per day. By conservative estimates, we've already spewed at least a million barrels into the gulf.

I can't even comprehend how you are attempting to compare how much oil we consume in a given amount of time, with how much has been spilled into the gulf. How does this make the least bit of sense to you

To make matters worse, I herewith declare the author´s
calculation to be incorrect.

The daily oil production in the world is 84 million barrels.

That is 13,353,480,000 l/day.

I assume the US to consume 1/4 of that production =
3,338,370,000 l/day.

The declared spill is to be 800,000 l/day = 800m3 =
a cube of 9,28m x 9,28m x 9,28m.

With the declared spill you can fill up a luxury villa
of 1,600 m3 in 2 days.

So the ratio of American oil consumption to oil spilled is
3,338,370,000 l/day : 800,000 l/day = 4,173 times !

It proves how little oil is necessary to pollute an ocean.

The calculation is not intended to minimize the catastrophe.

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


It's called deductive reasoning. You need not spell something out or use a particular word to get a point across.

and jack up the price of gas for 300 million americans, by how much?

Comment from: Esoteric Teacher on: 17-4-2010 @ 11:50 PM Hello, my name is John. I'm a retired USAF Firefighter, 11 years active duty, 3+ yrs in warzones. Prior to my service in the air force i worked for 12 years taking care of developmentally dissabled children. Now i call Illinios home.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

The price of gas has gone down about 22 cents since the oil rig blew up

not at the gas stations in my town.

am I missing something?



and to your incorrect facts about the United States oil consumption, the reported daily oil consuption by the US is 19,498 Thousand bbls/day according to the July 2009 Study of the US Energy Information Administration (reevaluation of these numbers in July 2010). The upper bound of the projected amount of oil dumped into the ocean every day by the oil spill is around 19,000 bbls/day; almost exactly how much the US consumes.
www.eia.doe.gov...

As many before me in this thread have stated, the reason WHY so many Americans "think the oil spill in the Gulf of British Petroleum is a lot" is because of its environmental and economic impacts, not because we're ignorant about our consumption.


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[edit on 2-6-2010 by Obzkure]

Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Esoteric Teacher

 

The annual amount of oil people normally take a bath with is zero barrels. You are comparing apples to oranges.

one of the stupidest statements devoid of rational intellect one this entire thread, excluding some of the statements i said.

your mommy and daddy must be proud, i confess
but your delusional state here is adding to the mess
GROWN UPS TALKING please consider A.T.S.

The annual amount of oil people normally take a bath with is zero barrels.

sure, obviously you are right if 300 million americans are taking COLD baths. The amount of oil people normally take a bath with is zero?

if your posts are devoid of truth truthquest, spreading ignorance on ATS?
you'd be hard pressed to impress me enough to believe your logic's mess



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

reply to post by Obzkure


the price on gas at my gas stations pump is 6 cents higher than the day before the oil rig caught fire.

pretty chart, nice statistics.