why do americans think the oil spill in the Gulf Of British Petroleum is a lot?

Do you think we have flare stacks in the USA that burn oil and create cash?

The oil is turned into petroleum products, mostly fuel for vehicles. These vehicles are used for transport to support industry that is necessary for the entire world. If we transpose that industry onto another nation they will use the lions share of oil in our stead. The notion that we waste oil for nascar races and SUV's packed full of kids off to soccer is ridiculous. We drive industry and no appology from us is in order. We take risks, as in the shuttle disaster and the Valdez spill, in the pursuit of advancing technology and living standards. Our risks have reaped your country rewards also. With risks come disasters. This we accept.

So what?

Are you attacking America now in defense of the British Corporation that takes shortcuts and ignores risks and causes an ecological disaster?

Who gives a Sh** about America, Mexico or , Britan.... It's the non-human life there that is paying the price because BP wanted to " Hurry it up " ... " Just hurry it up!!! " who gives a # if it causes a leak killing billions of organismns.... " JUST Fu**N HURRY IT UP" .

What an ignorant OP. Stop pointing fingers at eachother and consider the real issue. Don't need to suck every last drop of a depleting resource.... ofset demand with natural energy.

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If the US had more restrictive regulations and policing of those regulations this would not have happened. In reality the US is complicit before and after this disaster and no amount of finger pointing at BP will change that fact......

Originally posted by eNaR
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If the US had more restrictive regulations and policing of those regulations this would not have happened. In reality the US is complicit before and after this disaster and no amount of finger pointing at BP will change that fact......

you must be quoting the wrong person. i didn't point fingers or blame any single entity, especially not BP in my post.

and if your point is that BP shouldn't be blamed outright (which had nothing to do with my post) for this disaster (that they have taken the blame for) because of the total TROLL point our TS brought up, you're as much of a joke as him.

also i think by being bought off by haliburton to ignore crucial duties and inspections days before the disaster is pretty worth of a "finger" of blame.

well according to the numbers here you can see that this ranks as one of the worst oil spills ever. There are maybe 2 worse spills, one of which was the gulf war burning fields of oil. The fact that this happened in the ocean, means it will destroy a huge percentage of life in the ocean wherever it goes. Not just the oil itself either, the massive amount of extremely toxic dispersants used will have a massive effect on the ecosystems in and around the gulf. An oil spill in a desert in Iraq doesn't matter to anyone. An oil spill into a major marine habitat is a tragedy above and beyond anything we have ever done.

It's possibly the single worst tragedy in human history.
and its getting worse every day. BP is saying it could leak for another two months. By the time they stop the leak, it will spread to the gulf stream and around the world. Nowhere will be safe from this disaster. It will truly be a global killer for decades. The cost to life on earth is so significant that I fear we may have killed ourselves this time.

I say we push for an all electric economy. Electric cars. Solar power. Wind power. Whatever it takes, whatever the cost. Profit margins be damned. Any corporation that opposes this change should be charged with treason and liquidated. I say we make this change happen and we make it happen now. If anyone gets in our way we eliminate them. Boycott the oil industry. Stop using a car. eliminate dependance.

It's time we become problem solvers. No matter what the cost. I always hear the argument that alternatives to oil are more expensive. Those people who make that argument need to die. I don't care what it costs. I don't care about your profits and your bonuses. If you aren't on board with the switch to alternative energy, you are an enemy to life on earth and must not be allowed to continue to exist.

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It is not so much how much was lost, but how much is actually in the ocean, killing things and making that part of the ocean worse...

Now if you don't mind, I have a landfill to attend too.

Originally posted by Windycity
... and no appology from us is in order.

apology?

personally i think apologies are excuses after the fact, for doing something when one did know better.


i don't expect or want an apology from anyone.
i think i would like to help promote a more cohesive relationship with our environment and a multitude of species that aren't permitted to cast any votes come election time.

when americans think of americans are they counting the wild life, or the detrimental effects of our "domestication" of others while we can't even tame the wild within us, as demonstrated by acts of war?

supposedly we are the most advanced species on the planet (take a poll).

i am a member of this supposedly advanced species.


if humanities' actions and behaviors and intentionalities, and deliberate priorities are scaring humanity, then what effect do we think we are having on all the species "beneath us"?

hell, mankind can't even admit to themselves they are king of the beasts.
that title is reserved for the lion, it seems.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher

Originally posted by truthquest
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The annual amount of oil people normally take a bath with is zero barrels. You are comparing apples to oranges.

uh, you are wrong. there are many people with skin disorders which do add herbal and oils to their water.

uh, there are also oils in soaps and shampoos and conditioners, so i don't know where you are referencing your facts from, but you are misinformed.

Sorry, as a spectator this fact you posted Esoteric Teacher was bothering me. Most of the oils you are referring to come from plants, not the crude junk that is spewing out of the ocean. And last time I checked, herbals were the dried parts of plants. I think you're getting the crude oil mixed up with something like Olive Oil, which is a natural oil that comes from the olive plant.

Even in the shampoos, I'm pretty sure "Bamboo Oil" is not the stuff coming out of the gulf.

Here's what I'm talking about:

Howto make your own herbal oil

www.teachsoap.com...

floraleads.com...

www.pioneerthinking.com...

I'm not going to bash you for misinformation, because I feel you just overlooked that most of the oils in those things are natural, (as in not from crude oil).

If you want some more proof, we did a mass photospectrometer experiment back in highschool chemistry to see if we could find an oil (as in like lawn mower oil) sample hidden in various liquid products, some of which were soap, shampoo, water, and I think it was rubbing alcohol. Well, in order to do the tests, we had to have a "clean" sample to compare the peaks to. The end result, was that the oil sample was hidden inside the soap.

My point to the above experiment: In the initial, "clean" samples, there was no trace of the chemical layout of the oil. Once we did all the "tainted" samples, there was a spike on the graph in the sample the oil was hidden.

I could be wrong of course, but the way to find out is borrow one of these machines, get a bunch of samples from products, and run them against a sample of the oil junk (crude stuff, or refined).


And, for future reference, you might want to say what you were trying to say with your original post, as this would stop some of the confusion

Wow. I can see this guy is going to argue any point we make, but I would like to add my 2 cents worth: 1. America's consumption of oil has absolutely nothing to do with the oil spilling into our Gulf. 2. America CREATED the "king of the beasts" and it resides in the belly of our B-52's, 3. Let us know when your fish and chips start tasting funny.

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Great ownage? Or greatest ownage? It's definately one of 'em.


:doffs cap:

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If you could show us some data from the medium to long term effects of light crude oil spills that would be fantastic

And the Short Term Effects don't matter?

According to scientists it's too early to tell what the long term effects will be from this spill. It depends on how much oil gets pushed into marshland areas, estuaries etc.

After all, how many Light Crude Oil Spills have there been in the Gulf of Mexico on this scale? NONE. Therefore how can we compare the effects to any other oil spill? The effects could be radically different depending on ocean current, Wind, temperature, coastline features, cleanup methods etc etc etc

But the short term effects are HUGE.

www.nola.com...


www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com...


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Originally posted by kreese
So what?

Are you attacking America now in defense of the British Corporation that takes shortcuts and ignores risks and causes an ecological disaster?

maybe, maybe not ...

Who gives a Sh** about America, Mexico or , Britan.... It's the non-human life there that is paying the price because BP wanted to " Hurry it up " ... " Just hurry it up!!! " who gives a # if it causes a leak killing billions of organismns.... " JUST Fu**N HURRY IT UP" .

STAR!

What an ignorant OP. Stop pointing fingers at eachother and consider the real issue.

the real issue is no longer the effects.

the real issue is the causes.

this moment, here and now, is the seed.
that seed is sprouting a future.

what kind of seed have we planted for our future?

thanks for sharing,
E.T.

Originally posted by IOfTheStorm
Wow. I can see this guy is going to argue any point we make, but I would like to add my 2 cents worth: 1. America's consumption of oil has absolutely nothing to do with the oil spilling into our Gulf.

how is a demand for a product not a variable in the equasion. this logic elludes me.

Let us know when your fish and chips start tasting funny.

my tap water already tastes funny, is that close enough?

thanks,
E.T.

Originally posted by eNaR
reply to post by shagreen heart

 

If the US had more restrictive regulations and policing of those regulations this would not have happened. In reality the US is complicit before and after this disaster and no amount of finger pointing at BP will change that fact......

If the US had the authority to enforce the laws that already exist we would be less responsible for contributing to this mess.

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Thank you for stepping up, and your rebuttal.

thank you for correcting my previously misunderstood beliefs on the issue.

star!

E.T.