Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

I smell the Jewish Internet Defense Force in action on some of the posts in this thread. The same goes obviously for the FOX news article and the comments below that someone linked earlier in the thread.

www.thejidf.org

reply to post by PatesHatriots


Told you, alcohol poisoning... (I have to laugh or I will hit something)

Look at the timing of this event!

That alone makes me think that this could possibly unfold into something more.

reply to post by lucid eyes


With all due respect, I was fully informed of what happened. I watched it live. Considering that my grandfather lived through Treblinka, you can just keep your snide little anti-semite comments to yourself!

Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by greenfruit
and Hitler was miss guide in killing the Jews... there are a lot of people in the world who will be quiet happy to see the genocide finished.

You are like a walking straw-man argument!

"see, look at all of the anti-Semite posts on this topic. . "

It almost makes me wonder if people are paid to post this crud to deflect criticism away from Israel. . ?

[edit on 5/31/2010 by clay2 baraka]

hey dont put me in the same boat as him!

Originally posted by lucid eyes
Before they even know what happened, before they even know both sides of the story, this is how the the uneducated, knee-jerk-reaction crowds talk:

(snip)

Dont you just love american "liberals"

*My snip

Do you know if all the people you listed are "American liberals"?

Did you get any confirmation of this before your post or is this just pot calling the kettle black and a attempt to add some partisan bickering to this debate?

- Lee

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman will hold an emergency meeting on Monday morning at his office in Jerusalem. The Foreign Ministry plans to call on Israeli tourists in Turkey to return to Israel immediately.

Israel will also demand that Ankara take responsibility for all Israelis staying in the country. Foreign Ministry Director-General Yossi Gal will brief the foreign ambassadors at 12 pm on Monday, after Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon briefs the foreign media.

Originally posted by D.E.M.
reply to post by lucid eyes

 

With all due respect, I was fully informed of what happened. I watched it live. Considering that my grandfather lived through Treblinka, you can just keep your snide little anti-semite comments to yourself!

he is right about the knee jerk reactions though.

Originally posted by tauempire

Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by greenfruit
and Hitler was miss guide in killing the Jews... there are a lot of people in the world who will be quiet happy to see the genocide finished.

You are like a walking straw-man argument!

"see, look at all of the anti-Semite posts on this topic. . "

It almost makes me wonder if people are paid to post this crud to deflect criticism away from Israel. . ?

[edit on 5/31/2010 by clay2 baraka]

hey dont put me in the same boat as him!

Don't worry. Noted.

So Gaza and rest of the West Bank would be holding general strike to protest against Israel. So far I have not seen any comments made by Hezbollah about the latest tragedy.

Originally posted by enteri
I smell the Jewish Internet Defense Force in action on some of the posts in this thread. The same goes obviously for the FOX news article and the comments below that someone linked earlier in the thread.

www.thejidf.org

you got me....i work for the JIDF

[edit on 31-5-2010 by tauempire]

Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW

Originally posted by felonius
PLO aid.

Yeah. sure.

Nobel Laureate? Big deal. Another progressive likely. Holocaust survivor? Turncoat.

I'm giving Israel the benefit of doubt here. Chunk enough missiles into my back yard and I'm gonna shoot first ask questions later too!

I smell set up myself.

Except for the small fact that this had nothing to do with "missiles into backyards". This was an International Humanitarian Mission with no military means or agenda....attacked in International Waters.


Nice try of shifting the focus and pulling out your UBER RED HERRING FALLACY.

Ok.

They might should have waited till they were 7 miles out and did the same thing. If they were on a "peaceful" mission, they wouldnt have attacked the commando's when they came aboard would they? They wouldnt have had weapons.

This is why the ships are being hijacked near somalia. your not supposed to have weapons on a civilian ship.

This could be all handled it the muzzies would have let the palestinians absorb into their collective countries.

Nope. They would rather use the palestinians as tools. Oh well. It is what it is.

Sorry. Still in Israels corner for now.

Originally posted by Shark_Feeder
reply to post by PatesHatriots

 

Told you, alcohol poisoning...

(I have to laugh or I will hit something)

Man if we were playing the Israeli Spin Drinking Game right now, I think both of us would've drank enough to give a small village alcohol poisoning.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
So far you people have been only believing what the HAMAS and other Arab sources claim. Let's see what the Israelis are saying.

Nah.

Sources inside Israel are saying that 10 or more people are dead with 30 or more injured. This was also confirmed by Israeli Army Radio.

The reports are similar all across the board with some minor exceptions.

Nice try though.

- Lee

** NEW INFO**

www.theyeshivaworld.com...

The report says that commando forces landed on at least one of the vessels, lowered from a chopper, throwing stun grenades while the passengers on the boat shouted “we are unarmed”. Earlier, the vessels ignored navy instructions, backtracking with the intention of changing course.

6:23AM IL: According to reports quoting Hamas and Turkish NTV media sources, there are dead and wounded on the Gaza flotilla vessels as the Israel Navy commandeered the vessels. There is no confirmation of the reports from any Israeli source. There are also no reports that any live gunfire was used, adding confusion to the Arab media reports of ‘dead and wounded’, possibly part of the ongoing attempt to portray Israel as the aggressor.

The report says that commando forces landed on at least one of the vessels, lowered from a chopper, throwing stun grenades while the passengers on the boat shouted “we are unarmed”. Earlier, the vessels ignored navy instructions, backtracking with the intention of changing course.

On Sunday night, six navy vessels left the Haifa Port area heading to the three Gaza flotilla vessels. A warning message was sent by the navy to the Turkish vessel, leading the others. An estimated 600 people are on board the vessels, which were admittedly taken by surprise, not expecting a standoff with the navy so far out at sea. The navy declared the area a ‘closed military zone’, instructing the vessels to turn around and leave the area.
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In a media statement released on Sunday night, the IDF explained the commando force left Haifa heading for the vessels to turn them around and avoid “a provocative incident in Gazan waters”.

Agencies confirm that the navy made contact with officials on the lead ship on Sunday night, with naval officials seeking to ascertain who is onboard that vessel and their intentions. They report they were instructed to wear lifejackets.

Participants in the self-proclaimed humanitarian operation add that Israel was intermittently blocking satellite telephone broadcasts from the vessels. The al-Jazeera Arab satellite network reports that one of the vessels separated, taking a different route than the others to avoid the navy blockade.

YWN-ISRAEL will continue providing coverage on the flotilla standoff.

6:54AM IL: Hamas affiliated TV reports three dead on one of the flotilla vessels. Turkish NTV reports the Israel Navy is in control of the flotilla vessels, which were stopped at sea to prevent their arrival in Gazan waters.

7:00AM IL: According to Turkish media reports, hundreds of anti-Israel protestors took to the streets during the night at the Israeli Embassy in Ankara as well as outside of the Israeli Consulate in Istanbul in support of the passengers on board the Gaza flotilla vessels.

7:05AM IL: Israeli sources are now reporting the Israel Navy is in control of all three of the flotilla vessels and the boats are en route to the Port of Ashdod. There is no Israeli mention of dead or wounded at this time.

7:13AM IL: According to a report from a credible Israeli source, naval commandos who boarded the vessels came under attack, leading to the injured and possibly fatalities, which were reported earlier by the Turkish media.

7:18AM IL: Various reports – seven people admitted to Haifa’s Rambam Medical Center in Haifa, one listed in serious condition. Al-Jazeera reports as many as 50 injured. Other media reports indicated as many as 7 dead. Once again, there is no Israeli confirmation of any fatalities at this time.

7:24AM IL: According to Haaretz quoting AP, protestors in Turkey are trying to storm the Israeli consulate. Arab MKs are calling on the international community to condemn “Israeli aggression” against humanitarian relief workers. They are demanding the Israeli Arab community take to the streets in protest.

7:32AM IL: Turkey’s Foreign Ministry has summoned Israel’s ambassador to file a protest over Israel’s decision to launch a military operation against the vessels.

7:37AM IL: It appears the naval commando mission began at about 4am, with elite forces boarding the vessels from rafts and lowered from a chopper hovering overhead. Shots were heard as commandos sprayed teargas. The vessels are under Israel Navy control according to all reports at this time, en route to the Port of Ashdod. A number of people have been transported to the emergency room of Haifa’s Rambam Medical Center. There are reports from numerous sources of two fatalities.

7:40AM IL: A gag order has been imposed on details of the naval operation, including the number of dead and wounded. Israel Radio reports there are wounded among the Israel Shayetet commando force. MDA and Israel Police move to high alert nationwide amid ongoing calls for protests by Arab MKs.

7:45AM IL: Israel Prison Authority forces heading to the Port of Ashdod to take prisoners into custody. Beersheva Prison has been prepared for this eventuality. Israel Police are being deployed to “problematic areas” as unrests are expected with increasing reports of as many as 12 dead in the joint Israel Navy and air force operation on the Gaza flotilla vessels.

7:47AM IL: Ships are being directed to the Port of Haifa, not Ashdod as planned earlier in an apparent move to avoid the waiting international media at Ashdod. Reports speak of 10-14 dead. This number has not been confirmed by any Israeli sources at this time.

7:55AM IL: Experts in Israel report one must realize this was a Turkish effort intended at compromising Israel’s standing in the international community, explaining commando forces landing on the “humanitarian vessels” were attacked with pipes and other blunt objects. “If their intentions were truly humanitarian, a solution could easily have been reached by accepting Israel’s offer to deliver the humanitarian cargo to Gaza, but this was not at all the real mission”, one analyst told Israel Radio.

7:56AM IL: Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon moves to alert status. Protests gaining momentum in Turkey and Lebanon, calling for “Death to Israel”.

Turkey’s Foreign Ministry has established a situation room to monitor the events.

8:05AM IL: Turkey’s NTV reporting 2 dead and over 50 injuries as commandos stormed the flotilla vessels. There were earlier reports that the ships were being redirected to the Port of Haifa, but it appears they will be arriving at the Port of Ashdod as planned, under a media blackout, where waiting Yassam anti-riot Israel Police troops will take charge of the prisoners on board the three vessels.

There are mounting calls for protests heard in Israeli Arab communities, and there are unconfirmed reports that among the dead on the vessels is Sheikh Rayed Salach, the head of the northern branch of the Israel Islamic Association. Arab MKs are releasing condemnatory messages against Israel, calling on the international community to condemns Israel’s “barbaric” assault against unarmed humanitarian volunteers onboard the vessels.

Israel Police and Magen David Adom remain on heightened alert status and Rambam Medical Center in Haifa and Barzilai Hospital in Ashkelon remain on alert to receive wounded from the joint naval air force operation.

8:07AM IL: Three of the injured arrived at Tel Hashomer Hospital in Tel Aviv, with one listed as serious and the others moderate-to-light.

8:09AM IL: According to NTV and al-Jazeera reports, there are 14 or 15 dead among the left-wing activists. Commando forces came under a barrage of attacks on one vessel, with the humanitarians using pipes, knives and blunt objects. Once again, these reports are based on foreign unconfirmed reports as the information in Israel is limited, based on various agencies and under a media blackout. Commandos apparently used teargas and when the assaults did not subside, they were compelled to use live ammunition.

There are confirmed reports of two injured naval commandos, who are not in any life-threatening situation Baruch Hashem. The injured have been transported to Rambam Medical Center in Haifa and Tel Hashomer Hospital in Tel Aviv.

Israeli Arabs are doing their utmost to incite, calling on the international community to condemn Israel’s brutality and “barbaric actions”, as anti-Israel protests are reported outside the Israeli Embassy and Consulate in Turkey and in Lebanon.

There are conflicting reports as to what port the detainees will be taken to, Haifa or Ashdod.

Once again, real-time reports from numerous local and foreign sources demand changing facts as the picture begins to unfold and the fog and media blackout surrounding the complex mission begin becoming wane.
8:17AM IL: Speaking from Qatar, Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer (Labor) told Israel Radio “no one cares to report or remember that we left Gaza, withdraw our forces and ended any presence, yet the world will portray Israel as it wishes. We are not training our forces for such actions, against civilians, but at the end of the day, we must protect our home, our residents and our children, and while the deaths are most unfortunate, we must protect ourselves”.

8:21AM IL: Defense Minister Ehud Barak is conferring with senior advisors at this time. CNN reporting from Turkey shows hundreds of protestors trying to break into the Israeli Consulate.

8:33AM IL: MK (Kadima) Nachman Shai, the famed IDF spokesman during the First Gulf War, told Israel Radio that “time is of the essence and with each hour that passes without a definitive high-level Israeli statement, we begin to lose the public relations battle…at present, we are still in control and we must maintain this…this is not a job for the IDF spokesman, but for the government, the Foreign Minister, a high-level official source”.

Shai calls on Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu to return home and address this critical issue as Turkey and other seek to manipulate the international media against Israel.

8:56AM IL: Maariv reports Turkish police have entered the residence of the Israeli Ambassador to protect him against a growing angry local mob as anti-Israel protests continue.

8:59AM IL: Greta Berlin, spokesperson for the flotilla spoke with Israel Radio minutes ago. She stressed all passengers on board the six ships are civilians, journalists, activists and politicians.

“There were 30 cameras on board the Turkish ship. The minute their feet hit the deck, they started shooting. You see it on the video” states Greta Berlin, spokesperson for the Gaza flotilla.

The Israel Radio correspondent spoke in English and then translated to Hebrew for the listening audience.

GRETA: There are 600 people from around the world. There are activists, members of parliament, there are journalists. They are all civilians. Everyone of us is trying to break Israel’s blockage of 1.5 million Palestinians.

ISRAEL RADIO: Let me ask you a question. Why didn’t you accept Israel’s offer to bring the goods through the Port of Ashkelon to Gaza. You could have accepted the idea and by that you could have broken the Israeli blockade as well.

GRETA: Because you don’t tell the truth. You would never have delivered any of those supplies to Gaza because all of the supplies that we are bringing in are on the list of 2000 items that the people of Gaza cannot have to rebuild they society. So you never would have, you never would have permitted the supplies in. I do not believe the Israelis because every time one of your officials talks about bringing the supplies to Ashdod, they say food, clothing, and medicine. We don’t have any of that on board. We have cement, paper, water filtration systems, the things that will help the people of Gaza rebuild, and you do not allow those things in.

ISRAEL RADIO: So basically what you are saying is that there is no way that Israel would have allowed bringing these supplies to Gaza via Ashdod. It would have stayed in Ashdod.

Did you expect violence on the ship? Is that something you thought was going to happen?

GRETA: We never thought Israel would be stupid enough to kill 10 people and wound at least 30. There is something that has happened to your country that seems to feel it is okay to kill unarmed citizens, perhaps because you are used to killing unarmed Palestinians.

ISRAEL RADIO: Speaking in Hebrew now for audience, explains the other side is the IDF force was assaulted, with blunt objects, batons and knives. The picture remains unclear but there are reports that 10 people were killed

Al Jazeera network reported that Turkey warned Israel of "unprecedented consequences." The network also reported a series of anti-Israel protests were taking place throughout the country. Protests were reported in front of the Israeli consulate in Istanbul and the Israeli embassy and the ambassador's house in Ankara.

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Originally posted by tauempire
he is right about the knee jerk reactions though.

No he wasn't the evidence for guilt in this case is very very clear(lets go to the tape). And about 11,000 people witnessed the crime as it occurred, that includes me.

I know what I witnessed, and so do those who witnessed it with me.

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9:07AM IL: Israel police closing roads leading to Nachal I’ron (Wadi Ara), a main Israeli Arab area. Road being closed to Har HaBayis as well. The IDF has closed all passages to Gaza.

9:11AM IL: STATEMENT FROM IDF SPOKESMAN

The vessels taking part in the flotilla ignored the closure on Gazan waters and ignored all warnings from the Israel Navy. They warned them prior to boarding vessels and taking command. Offers to bring the humanitarian aid to Ashdod and to deliver the aid via land crossings into Gaza were ignored.

During the operation to take control over the vessels, the force was met with formidable opposition including various non-lethal weapons, batons, knives and live ammunition. Vessel activists grabbed a weapon from one of the commandos. The force used riot-control adjuncts in response, and eventually live fire. A number of the occupants of the vessels were killed and injured. Four naval commandos were injured, some from gunfire some from other weapons. One is in serious condition, one moderate and the others light.

The wounded were evacuated from the vessels to hospitals in Israel. The operation is being commanded by the Israel Navy commander, who is at sea.

Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon has announced he is holding a press conference at 10:30am.

The Israel Arab Monitoring Committee is convening in emergency session in Nazareth at 9:30am to discuss the “slaughter”.

9:34AM IL: Commando forces are operating on the six vessels as they are towed to the Port of Ashdod. It will be hours before the vessels arrive, as Yassam anti-riot commando police forces prepare at the port. Beersheva prison officials are also preparing as the vessels are towed into harbor.

Many participants in the so-called humanitarian effort threw their IDs overboard to frustrate identification efforts.

At least one of the commandos injured by gunfire was shot with an IDF weapon as the violent activists on the vessel grabbed their weapons.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak has phoned Turkey’s defense minister and foreign minister, detailing the commando operation, explaining how the force was attacked and describing the attempted lynch of force members.

The 10:30am live press conference by Deputy Defense Minister Danny Ayalon will be aired on the internet by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

10:00AM IL: The IDF’s official Hebrew and English websites do not carry any information of the day’s ongoing operation as of 9:50am as the world seeks official and accurate details of the naval commando operation against the Gaza flotilla.

The following statements made to Israel Radio by IDF Spokesman Brigadier-General Avi Binayahu.

The operation is still ongoing, some 70-80 miles from out coast. Forces were met by formidable resistance, perhaps unprecedented. I can tell you what I already know with absolute certainty. During the night, we tried to open a channel of communications with the flotilla. Each of the six ships was contacted, offered to dock in the Port of Ashdod to transfer aid via land crossings to Gaza. All requests were met with refusal.

The commander of the navy, Admiral Eliezer Marom is personally overseeing the operation, present at the command post at sea.

Diplomatic efforts were made ahead of last night, then we did everything possible to reach out to the vessels, and only after all measures failed were naval commandos sent in. there was approximately 570 people. Commandos describe “a lynch” along with unexpected violence and hostility. One solder was stabbed in his abdomen. They did not act as “peace activists”. One soldier’s weapon was grabbed away and used against the force.

I cannot say if there were other weapons on the vessel.

We did not encounter peace activists, but violent people with knives, pipes, batons and weapons. Our force was indeed in life-threatening danger. They had to open fire. Reports indicate 10 or so dead. Our force sustained injuries as well, one soldier in moderate condition.

The injured were transported by chopper to hospitals. In the coming hours, the vessels will be taken to an Israeli port and they will be combed to see who is on board and exactly what cargo is carried.

It is important for me to stress the mission is the result of numerous failed attempts at diplomacy, and this was a planned and premeditated media and physical attack against our forces, orchestrated by Hamas and Iran, seeking to continue importing weapons into Gaza.

As a person and the IDF spokesman, I express sorrow of the entire incident, but when soldiers face large knives, batons and weapons, they are compelled to defend themselves.

We cannot know exactly who is on the vessel. During recent weeks, we used all channels at our disposal to advance diplomacy and dialogue, and all efforts were refused…

10:05am – MESSAGE FROM IDF SPOKESMAN’S OFFICE
Early this morning, IDF Naval Forces intercepted six ships attempting to break the naval blockade of the Gaza Strip. This happened after numerous warnings from Israel and the Israel Navy that were issued prior to the action. The Israel Navy requested the ships to redirect toward Ashdod where they would be able to unload their aid material which would then be transferred over land after undergoing security inspections.

During the intercept of the ships, the demonstrators onboard attacked the IDF Naval personnel with live fire and light weaponry including knives and clubs. Additionally one of the weapons used was grabbed from an IDF soldier.

The demonstrators had clearly prepared their weapons in advance for this specific purpose.

As a result of this life-threatening and violent activity, naval forces employed riot dispersal means, including live fire.

According to initial reports, these events resulted in over ten deaths among the demonstrators and numerous injured, in addition, more than four naval personnel were injured, some from gunfire and some from various other weapons. Two of the soldiers are moderately wounded and the remainder sustained light injuries. All of the injured, Israelis and foreigners are currently being evacuated by helicopter to hospitals in Israel.

Reports from IDF forces on the scene are that it seems as if part of the participants onboard the ships were planning to lynch the forces.

The events are ongoing, and information will be updated as soon as possible.
Israeli Naval commander, Vice Admiral Eliezer Marom is overseeing the events.

In the coming hours, the ships will be directed to the Ashdod port, while IDF naval forces will perform security checks in order to identify the people on board the ships and their equipment. The IDF Spokesman conveys that this event is currently unfolding and further details will be provided as soon as possible.

This IDF naval operation was carried out under orders from the political leadership to halt the flotilla from reaching the Gaza Strip and breaching the naval blockade.

The interception of the flotilla followed numerous warnings given to the organizers of the flotilla before leaving their ports as well as while sailing towards the Gaza Strip. In these warnings, it was made clear to the organizers that they could dock in the Ashdod sea port and unload the equipment they are carrying in order to deliver it to the Gaza Strip in an orderly manner, following the appropriate security checks. Upon expressing their unwillingness to cooperate and arrive at the port, it was decided to board the ships and lead them to Ashdod.

IDF naval personnel encountered severe violence, including use of weaponry prepared in advance in order to attack and to harm them. The forces operated in adherence with operational commands and took all necessary actions in order to avoid violence, but to no avail.

10:15AM IL: Knesset House Committee Chair MK (Likud) Yariv Levin announced today’s vote to revoke parliamentary privileges of Balad MK Hanin Zuabi, who was on board the Gaza flotilla, has been postponed in light of harsh events.

So Israel changed their story at least 5 times now and it's just been what, an hour since they started the propaganda machine?

Nice.

Turkey :

"[The interception on the convoy] is unacceptable ... Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behavior," the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

Iran :

The Head of Iran's Parliament National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaeddin Boroujerdi condemned Zionist regime's deadly attack on "Freedom Flotilla", calling for the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) to hold an urgent meeting.

Telling it like it happened :


Israel is crazy : they bombed near Egypt border in response to rocket attacks