Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

Originally posted by DangerDeath
reply to post by Skellon

 

Execution (in sense of putting someone to death) is murdering someone who refuses to participate in your projection and obey your orders. Literally taking this someone out of the "picture".

etim. Latin: executio, ex-sequi - carrying out, doing, producing, cutting, etc.

I.E. root seq = cut.

Pay attention. Cutting the video with which we are being flooded is literally execution. Cutting unwanted material out of the picture.

In your last statement I agree whole heartedly.

We do not know if after seizing the cameras the IDF went on a bloody massacre of vengence.

Maybe god intervened with a paintball gun of his own?

Maybe Rome, the illuminati, free masons, the CFR, the builderburg group and the undisclosed aliens all circled the Free Gaza Flotilla on Jet Skis under the watchfull gaze of Nibiru?

But that is my point! We do not know!

What we do know is what we can see in the footage provided and that is what I am objectively posting about.

The loss of life and the serious injuries caused are upsetting and nobody in their right mind can argue this.

Israel conducting a seize and search operation in international waters is immoral and illegal.

This has been discussed over and over in this thread and with the evidence cited, I agree that it was illegal of them to do this in international waters.

In light of my agreement with the majority stating that conducting this raid in international waters was an act of piracy, do you really think that if they had conducted this operation in territorial waters it would have played out differently?


A note to those that suffer from 'selective reading disfunction', I have stated these points till I am blue in the face on this thread, please take heed this time and do not use points that I have agreed with against me any longer.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

reply to post by DoomsdayRex


I thought we already established that the ships were fired on first, killing people, and then boarded. You are saying that it didn't go down like that?

Israelis Opened Fire Before Boarding Gaza Flotilla, say Released Activists First eyewitness accounts of raid contradict version put out by Israeli officials

"It was extremely bad and very tough clashes took place. The Mavi Marmara is filled with blood," said Cetin, whose husband is the Mavi Marmara's chief engineer. She told reporters that she and her child hid in the bathroom of their cabin during the confrontation. "The operation started immediately with firing. First it was warning shots, but when the Mavi Marmara wouldn't stop these warnings turned into an attack," she said. "There were sound and smoke bombs and later they used gas bombs. Following the bombings they started to come on board from helicopters." Cetin is among a handful of Turkish activists to be released; more than 300 remain in Israeli custody. She said she agreed to extradition from Israel after she was warned that conditions in jail would be too harsh for her child. "I am one of the first passengers to be sent home, just because I have baby. When we arrived at the Israeli port of Ashdod we were met by the Israeli interior and foreign ministry officials and police; there were no soldiers. They asked me only a few questions. But they took everything – cameras, laptops, cellphones, personal belongings including our clothes," she said.

www.commondreams.org...

We also established the fact that the blockade in Gaza is illegal. We have also established the fact that the raid on those ships was an act of piracy. We have also established the fact that people were murdered for trying to help other people.

Originally posted by gambon
It may be a shotgun , but imo it is much to small and the hand grip is all wrong for a shotgun..it would fly out of his hands using it like that
[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

Not necessarily.

Israeli short barreled Benelli M4:
www.militaryphotos.net...

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by jackflap

In this video, taken aboard the ship, there are passengers who are killed before the troops come aboard...

This video has been posted before and does not show what you claim. Everything on this video was shot after the attempted boarding by the Israelis. It has been edited to leave out pertinent facts (the Press.TV reporter describing the Israeli descent onto the deck) and footage inserted to make it look like the raid happens later. I provided a video proving this in an earlier post.



You are not the only one , people seem to think these clips are concurrent

It would be extremely helpful to have a time line of events. Guess no one's able to provide this so far. Aside from the obvious... The incident should have ended with the boat being rendered helpless not people being shot.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Americanist]

Those videos are totally worthless as evidence. There is no time stamp, there is no integral version allowed to be seen.

Distraction of the assassins.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

A nation doesn't have to make a formal declaration of war to make a blockade.

A good example is the US. The US hasn't declared a war since WW2 but we have had a number of blockades since then. The most famous being Cuba.

Would that be the Cuban blockade that was quickly lifted when it almost led to warfare between Russia and the United States because it was an illegal blockade and an act of war.

Further do you realize that every day for a decade we flew illegal CIA flights out of the Opa Locka Airport here in Miami to napalm Cuban Crops and Livestock?

Do you know that the reason Russia put nuclear arms in Cuba was to stop that illegal covert harassment.

Do you know when we then blockaded the Island to prevent more nuclear missiles from being shipped in that it came to the verge of MADD mutually assured destruction, and that a month after we lifted the blockade the Russians sent in the rest of the missiles.

Yes we conduct illegal blockades and depending on who against and what allies they have determines how long we will carry out that illegal blockade.

See how that works, I do!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by Curio

 

Im really sorry but who? Ive never heard of them , and to claim they are the largest aid group , really, sorry no offence , but Never come across your group in 38 years ?
Heard of your religion but not this huge aid group ?

no offence intended but those are big claims?

Originally posted by jackflap
I thought we already established that the ships were fired on first, killing people, and then boarded. You are saying that it didn't go down like that?

And yet there is absolutely no video evidence showing any of this.

The account you posted does not contradict anything I've stated nor does it support anything you have claimed. All it says is that less-than-lethal and crowd dispersal weapons were used.

Originally posted by jackflap
We also established the fact that the blockade in Gaza is illegal. We have also established the fact that the raid on those ships was an act of piracy. We have also established the fact that people were murdered for trying to help other people.

First off, we haven't established any of that. You may believe that and in some respects I may agree with you. But belief and reality are often two very different things.

But more importantly, all of that is completely irrelevant to this discussion. It does not change who fired first.

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by gambon

 

Notice at 2:41 there is, what appears to be a hand gun in the activists hand as he leans on the wall for support.

Also, the voice we hear of the intercom is perhaps the captain?

If so, he is speaking after the boarding had occured.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

yes it looks exactly like a handgun.......im glad im not the only one actually looking at the vid with open eyes...

I remember the stairwell shot and kept playing it over and over, because my first impression was that it was a handgun as well.

After I reviewed the tape (way too many times), I believe it to be a walkie talkie (the object is rectangular).

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by gambon

 

He does no mislabbelling from what i can see , ewarlier in the thread it was said that the guy is a haid worker....if so why does he appaer to be holding a handgun , some thing i asked people to look at and see what they thought themselves...skellon did , and he saw a gun ,,,i did not say waht i saw , at the time so as not to influence anybody..but it was a handgun.......

SO direct question to protoplasmic, what does it look like to you..and why would they be carrying a handgun

Wow I have heard a lot of those "Looks Like" arguments on ATS!

Looks like a drawing of a 10,000 year old space craft!

Looks like a drawing of a 5,000 year old stargate!

Looks like a drawing of a 6,000 year old laser gun!

Looks like a drawing of a 5,000 year old reptilian space alien!

Looks like is what they do in ink blot tests.

I will tell you this though, hardly anyone in Miami Florida where I live, that has a pleasure craft goes out onto the open sea without a handgun for protection, because of pirates.

People are raped, murdered and kidnapped out at sea all the time, and most sensible boat owners have a gun on board for SELF DEFENSE from pirates.

Hey wait what is Israel being accused again of doing in International Waters in violation of International Law?

PIRATING!

I don't care what uniform or flag you wrap a PIRATE in, they are still PIRATING and the only defense against PIRATES is SELF DEFENSE no matter who or what you are.

All this would change if the Flotilla boats tried to board or attack the Israeli vessels.

They didn't, the Israelis boarded and attacked the flotilla vessels.

Here is a news flash for you, I do not recognize the authority of another nation operating in International Waters outside the scope and pervue of International Law.

Your heroes are in fact my and other people's zeros.

Captains law and maritime law gives captain of any vessel great discretion to be it's own law on the high seas. That's why all captains can legally marry people.

Boats on the high seas are sovereign entities.

How people conduct themselves aboard their own territory, is not subject to the skewered standards you wish to apply to them.

By the way I have sailed the seven seas, on small boats, and know full well the culture and laws.

Your agruments are as disengenous as they are transparent, as they are agenda driven, and I am sorry that being a disinformation agent in this day is not as easy as it once was.

What can I say times are tough all over!!

[edit on 2/6/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Holding like a gun , looks like a gun ...probably a gun , could have come back with " could have been a flare gun , but no Back with the rhetoric....jees will I have to start arguing both sides .......sheesh

I too would carry a gun off florida , Just back from galveston so indeed i would , BUT this was a PEACE PROTEST AID SHIP FFS guns of any sort have NO place on them do they?

[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Those videos are totally worthless as evidence. There is no time stamp, there is no integral version allowed to be seen.

You haven't even watched them. You have no room to speak. Your true colors are showing. Your immediate dismissal of the videos and refusal to even consider them shows just how concerned you are with the truth.

Originally posted by Americanist
It would be extremely helpful to have a time line of events. Guess no one's able to provide this so far. Aside from the obvious... The incident should have ended with the boat being rendered helpless not people being shot.

I think that is very telling as well. But at this point I would not trust any timeline that is not supported by video evidence. The facts cannot even be agreed upon and the Freedom Flotilla and it's supporters have been shown to be producing a lot of lies.

Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by gambon
It may be a shotgun , but imo it is much to small and the hand grip is all wrong for a shotgun..it would fly out of his hands using it like that
[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

Not necessarily.

Israeli short barreled Benelli M4:
www.militaryphotos.net...

way to small for a benneli,, if ypou fired a benneli with no hand on the foregrip you would be in trouble ...or the guy at his right shoulder would

i doubt you would attach a torch with duct tape to the grip of a benneli either
possible , but looks to small

[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

I've been totally out of the loop on this one...still am...I just don't want to risk and aneurysm with these Israel topics...but by accident, I heard that crazy dude on AM radio (Mike somebody) who screams a lot say that Israeli armed commandos were lowered onto the ships? Then, vehemently defending them, he said "...and they (said Israeli armed commandos who invaded the ship) just fought back when attacked!" Ummm...they're surprised they were attacked.

From that alone...well...I'm not getting involved.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by ~Lucidity]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

A nation doesn't have to make a formal declaration of war to make a blockade.

A good example is the US. The US hasn't declared a war since WW2 but we have had a number of blockades since then. The most famous being Cuba.

Would that be the Cuban blockade that was quickly lifted when it almost led to warfare between Russia and the United States because it was an illegal blockade and an act of war.

Further do you realize that every day for a decade we flew illegal CIA flights out of the Opa Locka Airport here in Miami to napalm Cuban Crops and Livestock?

Do you know that the reason Russia put nuclear arms in Cuba was to stop that illegal covert harassment.

Do you know when we then blockaded the Island to prevent more nuclear missiles from being shipped in that it came to the verge of MADD mutually assured destruction, and that a month after we lifted the blockade the Russians sent in the rest of the missiles.

Yes we conduct illegal blockades and depending on who against and what allies they have determines how long we will carry out that illegal blockade.

See how that works, I do!

The usa also uses idf in countries in south america for nefarious deeds , guatemal , nicaragua , columbia , venezuela eyc etc

reply to post by DoomsdayRex

In raw video, reporters claim Israelis fired on activists before boarding ship

In what could be a serious blow to Israel's narrative on the killing of at least nine humanitarian activists making their way to Gaza through international waters, raw video by an Al Jazeera producer, who was filming during the raid, appears to provide evidence that the IDF opened fire on the flotilla even before boarding it.

rawstory.com...

Do you believe that those commandos would repel down on a ship without first scaring the living hell out of its occupants first? If Israel just wanted to board the ship and make sure there were no weapons, why did they need to assault them with stun grenades and tear gas first?

If there intentions weren't to terrorize, why didn't they send just one unarmed inspector? They could have re assured everyone that they meant no harm and just needed to look around. They could have said, "We are unarmed and mean no harm."

No, they repelled down their ropes loaded for bear.

Originally posted by clay2 baraka

Originally posted by gambon

Originally posted by Skellon
reply to post by gambon

 

Notice at 2:41 there is, what appears to be a hand gun in the activists hand as he leans on the wall for support.

Also, the voice we hear of the intercom is perhaps the captain?

If so, he is speaking after the boarding had occured.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Skellon]

yes it looks exactly like a handgun.......im glad im not the only one actually looking at the vid with open eyes...

I remember the stairwell shot and kept playing it over and over, because my first impression was that it was a handgun as well.

After I reviewed the tape (way too many times),

I believe it to be a walkie talkie (the object is rectangular).

Now we getting somewhere , that is a possibility , thank you , lets start building our own case / timeline of event instead of letting media (who we are told dont trust..ffs ) of doing the hard work for us . we need a balanced apprAISAL OF THE EVENT ,, NOT THE WHERES AND WHY FORES OF WHY , JUST THE FACTS IN AN AGREED ATS ORDER SORRY CAPS....

starredfor radio possibility


[edit on 2-6-2010 by gambon]

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by DangerDeath
Those videos are totally worthless as evidence. There is no time stamp, there is no integral version allowed to be seen.

You haven't even watched them. You have no room to speak. Your true colors are showing. Your immediate dismissal of the videos and refusal to even consider them shows just how concerned you are with the truth.

Sorry buddy, I'm not a Big Brother addict.
Keep watching

reply to post by Captain Obvious


How can we know this is real?

reply to post by Americanist


Hi Americanist,

You can find my post with two embedded youtube videos about two thirds the way down page 129 of this thread.

The top video is a boradcast of the incident by Aljazeera featuring its reporter on board the ship as the event unfolds.

www.abovetopsecret.com...