15 dead, flotilla fired upon by Israel

FU Israel...not much else to say. Firing on human aid workers, how low can you sink?? That's just as bad as what the Nazis did, which is quite ironic.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by MrXYZ]

i have to say something to advocate for israel, israeli authorities offered the flotilla to go to an israeli port and get the cargo checked (for weapons i suppose). the flotilla denied and carried on their journey towards gaza.
i think this info gives you a better perspective of the situation.

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This is not about, real man leading countries...Are you kidding me? the U.S.A and Israel or the two biggest brothers on earth...They play nothing but dirty games. This actions shows how important it is to Israel to keep "control" over the situation in the GAZA. So important that they round up some brainwashed animals to shoot at people that are trying to help.


You make it sounds like it's a good thing to not give a verbal warning but give one with starting to pump lead into human beings.

I wish we could put thousands upon thousands in boats and try to make a statement , lets see what they will do against a whole fleet freedom fighters...

Originally posted by icepack
i have to say something to advocate for israel, israeli authorities offered they flotilla to go to an israeli port and get the cargo checked (for weapons i suppose). the flotilla denied and carried on their journey towards gaza.
i think this info gives you a better perspective of the situation.

It justs gives a perspective not any better one, because if the took that order the would have given away the chance to get there supplies to the people that need them. This is not the first time a convoy is stopped/blocked with supplies for people that need them.

There are many way's to keep boats from entering Israeli waters before you would resort to gun fire.



[edit on 31-5-2010 by AquaTim84]

Originally posted by Counttrarian
It appears you are now asking for things that strains credulity:
"I'm still waiting for the said proof that Israelies shot 19 men BEFORE landing on the ships and being attacked"

It went from from proof that the Israelis acted aggressively, to them firing first, to them shooting someone first, now to shot 19 men? What will be next request, 'show me video that the Israelis shot 19 men name Joseph between the hours of 1pm and 1:15pm while still in Jerusalem'? Obviously I'm being a tad sarcastic, but let's at least keep the debate logical.

Yeah, take it easy.
Just show me the little bit of proof needed to convince me that what you say is true. I don't demand specific details like you try to put it.

All I'm asking is a proof that will show me that there was a casualty before Israeli troops landed. Or anything else that will say Israelies shot at the ships from a-far.

I have so far provided proof for my claim. The soldiers didn't shoot a single bullet before landing on the ship and meeting heavy hostility and violence. One got thrown off of the top floor of the ship to it's bottom.

When you are hitting an armed force expect the armed force to retaliate. Soldiers went aboard the other ships aswell, was there any casualty in ANY of them? No, there wasn't. Why? Because there was not a violent uproar in any of them.

Don't try to make things complicated and say I'm asking for difficult things. You guys said you KNOW people have died before the IDF has landed on top of the ships, so please support the proof.

I present the videos once again and STILL demand proof for the lies you spread:





Please privode the damned proof and get it over with.
...I'm assuming you'll avoid it once again and claim I'm asking for too much.

Anyway this was indeed a succesful flotila that has achieved what it wanted - A headline.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Originally posted by SparKzzz

Originally posted by Counttrarian
It appears you are now asking for things that strains credulity:
"I'm still waiting for the said proof that Israelies shot 19 men BEFORE landing on the ships and being attacked"

It went from from proof that the Israelis acted aggressively, to them firing first, to them shooting someone first, now to shot 19 men? What will be next request, 'show me video that the Israelis shot 19 men name Joseph between the hours of 1pm and 1:15pm while still in Jerusalem'? Obviously I'm being a tad sarcastic, but let's at least keep the debate logical.

Yeah, take it easy.
Just show me the little bit of proof needed to convince me that what you say is true. I don't demand specific details like you try to put it.

All I'm asking is a proof that will show me that there was a casualty before Israeli troops landed. Or anything else that will say Israelies shot at the ships from a-far.

I have so far provided proof for my claim. The soldiers didn't shoot a single bullet before landing on the ship and meeting heavy hostility and violence. One got thrown off of the top floor of the ship to it's bottom.

When you are hitting an armed force expect the armed force to retaliate. Soldiers went aboard the other ships aswell, was there any casualty in ANY of them? No, there wasn't.

Don't try to make things complicated and say I'm asking for difficult things. You guys said you KNOW people have died before the IDF has landed on top of the ships, so please support the proof.

What would it change in perspective to what actually did happen?
Maybe they did, when they ignored an order that was giving(received) via radio...maybe they didn't does not change the fact that people are dead, and in prison.

Not trying to step on any toes. But I don't see anything that it will contribute to what happened.

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it doesnd matter at all if they shot first... all19 death having israeli bullits in them...
this was an clearly act of piratcy and murder...no question about it

israel NEVER want to have peace couse they live by the sword....

Originally posted by SparKzzz

Originally posted by Crimson_King

Originally posted by SparKzzz
Here's a video that clearly shows how the soldiers were welcomed by violence and were not given a chance to peacfuly handle the situation.

Enough of your propaganda before boarding the ship Israeli troops fired upon the ship which killed 19 people and injured many more. Even before climbing the ship the passengers were screaming for help it was all shown on live stream. No one welcomes pirates with open arms and garlands, the people on the ship were acting in self defense after they were fired upon. Most of all the ship was in International waters, Israel has NO right to attack any ship in international waters.

Hello kind sir, please provide PROOF for the crap you spit out of your keyboard.
I keep asking for proof that Israeli killed ANYONE BEFORE landing on the ships and meeting extreme hostile behaviour that risked their own lives, YET NOBODY SEEM TO PROVIDE SUCH PROOF.

So either start providing proof or stop using words such as propaganda.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

Are you telling me that the "superior" Israeli offense force couldn't draw up a plan to land on the ship and controll the situation i didn't see any riot shields on that ship i didn't see any flashbangs or cs gas to disperse crowds and i see the fail that is dropping commando's in BY CHOPPER who was the strategic retard that drew up this plan.

And as a final nail in the PR coffin no RUBBER bullets that DONT kill well...glad our police commissioner doesn't get ISRAELI training mayday would be a blood bath.

Until we, we, we, we ,we WE,WE,WE, stand up and put an end to this $hit nothing is going to change. Keep on electing these war mongers into office and WE deserve what WE get. Are We going to wake the F..k up? hell no, not until the earth is just about destroyed and many, many people from many, many countries are dead. WE as a people have closed our eyes. If we can have our sports, beer, and sex, we don't give a dam about anything else.So, lets just enjoy it while we can as this is about all 95% of us are going to do anyway.Much thanks to the people who "DO" try and help...The rest of us need to get off out a$$es and try and do at least a little something also. I know this post is going in 1 ear and out the other so I'm gonna stop wasting my time and at least go try and do something, hell anything, is better than the nothing I have done so far.....

Some sorry anti-sematics on this thread, Israel is in a tough area, and with the Obama crowd biased against them in a hard place, so it wouldn't make sense for them to do something without a reason.

if israeli authorities would have denied the continuing of the journy even if they would have found just aid cargo, we dont know. the point is most of the posts are against israel, no matter what.
you know the movie "airplane!", when a woman started to panic and lots of people start up cueing in line to smack and beat that woman.
maybe this was a mistake by israel authorities, but what goes on here in this thread is too much israel bashing.
a basic question for you: was it wrong to give the israelites their own country in the 1940s ?

Originally posted by AquaTim84
does not change the fact that people are dead, and in prison.

Not trying to step on any toes. But I don't see anything that it will contribute to what happened.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by AquaTim84]

*PEOPLE ARE DEAD FOR BEING HOSTILE TOWARDS NAVAL OFFICERS.
*PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON FOR TRYING TO ENTER AN UNAUTHORIZED AREA WITH AN UNAUTHORIZED SHIP CARRYING AN UNAUTHORIZED CARGO.

Is that SO hard to comprehend?

I find it disgusting how some people are defending Israel

Originally posted by rationaluser
Are you telling me that the "superior" Israeli offense force couldn't draw up a plan to land on the ship and controll the situation i didn't see any riot shields on that ship i didn't see any flashbangs or cs gas to disperse crowds and i see the fail that is dropping commando's in BY CHOPPER who was the strategic retard that drew up this plan.

And as a final nail in the PR coffin no RUBBER bullets that DONT kill well...glad our police commissioner doesn't get ISRAELI training mayday would be a blood bath.

Never said Israel is superior.
And yes, look for my first post in this thread. The naval plan was planned poorly, and they have also admitted that.
The wrong crew was sent - Commando instead of Anti-Riot force.

And I agree that the one that organized this is a strategic retard.

Still, there was no reason to open with violence at the landing soldiers.

Look at any other ships that didn't act with such violence. Is there any single dead person among these people? No there is not.

Originally posted by little_green_man
I find it disgusting how some people are defending Israel

I find it disgusting how some people are calling people that defending Israel disgusting, without even knowing the case 100% themselves.

BTW I'm still waiting for the long awaited proof that will finally show me there was a single dead person BEFORE Israel have landed.

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Unauthorized area? Since when are international waters an unauthorized area...?

Originally posted by seagull
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Unauthorized area? Since when are international waters an unauthorized area...?

UGH I'm sick and tired of the international waters arguement.

What if they stormed the ships 5 minutes later on, in Israeli waters, would it be OK to you? No, don't be a hypocrite, you'd find something else to whine about.

International waters or not, they were headed to Gaza shores, a place that not so long ago ships were unloading missiles and rockets at. I'm repeating myself so much and people aren't getting anything.

Who in their sane minds is going to let a ship dock in it's shoreline? WHO? Name one country that will allow an unrecognized ship to dock wherever it wants without going onboard to inspect it, and I'LL HEAD THERE RIGHT NOW.

IDF didn't wake up today and said YEAH LET'S GO GET SOME PEACE ACTIVISTS!
It's purpose in this operation was to lead the ships to Ashdod peacefully and have the cargos examined. How else was Israel supposed to convince them not to go DIRECTLY, UNEXAMINED into Gaza to unload unchecked materials? By just asking?

Do yourself a favor.

Anyway,

STILL waiting for the proof. ATS credibility going downhill FAST.

[edit on 31-5-2010 by SparKzzz]

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nothing anti semetistic on this thread!!!!!
if this wat israel did was performed by iran or NK hell would break loose...
now we are forced in an way to have pitty and understanding with the attackers becourse it was israel who did it
this is unbelieveble .....reversed discrimination

if you have critic on there policy youre are stamped as an anti semiete.....disguisting!

unauthorized area here unauthorized area there, the point is israel has to be sure that hamas in gaza dont get weapons, because if hamas in gaza gets weapons they will be used to kill israeli citizens.

Originally posted by icepack
unauthorized area here unauthorized area there, the point is israel has to be sure that hamas in gaza dont get weapons, because if hamas in gaza gets weapons they will be used to kill israeli citizens.

Exactly.