Why Is ATS Full Of Hate Obama Threads?

reply to post by OrionHunterX

Why Is ATS Full Of Hate Obama Threads?

Because he Said he Was all Hope And Change!

But he was just more of the same.


(Third line is succinct)

-Edrick

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by maybereal11

IT'S DISHONEST..AND IT'S THE REASON I HAVE A HARD TIME TAKING OBAMA-BASHERS SERIOUSLY

Really?

How about obama and his administration bashing the AZ law, then admitting they hadn't read it?
[edit on 6/2/2010 by centurion1211]

LOL ... how about a long rant about unrelated topics with no sources and little logic!!

Thanks for the giggles Centurion, this thread was due for some comedic relief.

[edit on 2-6-2010 by maybereal11]

Best you can respond with? Typical deflection attempt by YOU. It simply tells all that you were "nailed". "maybe" you'll also be the last one here defending obama?

You and everyone who read my post know those were just examples to show that your dishonestly claim was bogus. Do your own search for the sources - like you would spend time finding reasons to no longer trust obama - they're all over the news, the web and ATS.

Understand the real meaning of what I just said?

Again, the sources are all over the news, the web and ATS. In other words, examples of obama's failures and lies are VERY easy to find.

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by OrionHunterX

 

Why Is ATS Full Of Hate Obama Threads?

Because he Said he Was all Hope And Change!

But he was just more of the same.

Ok, so what would YOU have done for 'change'? It's no point just leaning on semantics. Let's hear what else you want or wanted Obama to do to bring about this so called 'change'. And yes, do keep in mind the obstacles you would most likely face from the various centers of power including the secret shadow government.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Do your own search for the sources - like you would spend time finding reasons to no longer trust obama - they're all over the news, the web and ATS.

Understand the real meaning of what I just said?

Yes. You are saying that you are unwilling to support your claims with links, facts or any other material that you fear would not survive scrutiny.

You are still confused. I do not choose to support President Obama, but rather have a natural instinct to call people like yourself on thier BS when they spout nonsense they can't back up.

Distrust, dislike, disagreement with the POTUS's positions and policies..all acceptable and even required in a democracy.

Bullsh*& however has no place in the discussion and I have a natural disdain for those dishonest folks who think otherwise.

There have been people that have posted legitimate complaints with verifiable facts to back up their reasons on why they think Obama as a President is an epic failure. Those of us who are criticizing Obama I can guarantee you that we do not miss George W. Bush. Seriously. If that's what you think, you need to open your ears, eyes, and brain. That's just salacious and ridiculous. It makes my head want to explode. I expect better from people who spend time on a message board such as Above Top Secret. UGH!!!

What could Obama do? First off, we should be asking why there is so much power in the Executive Branch anyway. It's been growing since Teddy Roosevelt exponentially and not in what I would think are legal, constitutional ways. No one wants to have that debate though it seems so whatever.

Obama can pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq NOW. NOW. NOW. The fact that he won't do so marks him as the hawk that I thought he was when I heard him speak in 2008 during the Democratic Primaries. It's a myth that the guy is Anti-War. He's never been Anti-War, just Anti-Iraq because he knew he could ride that populist diversionary tactic straight to the minds of the voters. Look at the exponential growth of predator drones being used and he is using Blackwater forces, which is just evil. He could stop Blackwater because it is totally Unconstitutional to use a private security force.

The Democrat Congress could grow some balls and leave both of those conflicts and also close off most of Military bases by challenging the President's authority to do so. They could cut off the money and cut off the Executive Branch's nuts but they don't have the back bone to do it.

He could cut the defense budget in half and we would still be okay, especially if we leave the two illegal wars we have going on and move all of our troops back home to a)defend our borders and b) promote our defense here at home.

He could use the Army Corps Engineers here at home, instead of Iraq and Afghanistan, to actually address the issues of our infrastructure that is starting to devolve into complete literally crumbling failure. He could have them engaged in the Gulf and call Congress to act to deploy the Navy and the Army to start addressing the issue. Just raising your hands up and saying "aw crap man, looks like it's just going to spew out until Christmas" is not the way to handle it.

Remove Rahm Emmanuel. That guy is the Dick Cheney of the DNC. Yuck.

Not continue to support Israel no matter what.

Give all of the money back that he received from BP and Goldman Sachs.

He could have not bought into the lie of TARP and let those banks fail instead of punishing the tax payers to pay for the Banks idiocy.

End the fed.

Work with Congress to end the Industrial Ban on Hemp and decriminalize Marijuana completely.

Undo the current legislation with Congress on Health Care and actually deal with the issues with Insurance companies instead of just throwing tax payer money at them. That's like adding kerosene to a fire.

There's so much but frankly, I'm just getting bored with this thread and the O-Bots around here.

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by centurion1211
Do your own search for the sources - like you would spend time finding reasons to no longer trust obama - they're all over the news, the web and ATS.

Understand the real meaning of what I just said?

Yes. You are saying that you are unwilling to support your claims with links, facts or any other material that you fear would not survive scrutiny.

No, saying why repeat all that when there are new obama outrages almost daily. Latest? Another obama quid pro quo to get someone to drop out of a race in Colorado.

You are still confused. I do not choose to support President Obama, but rather have a natural instinct to call people like yourself on thier BS when they spout nonsense they can't back up.

"do not choose to support President Obama". Go back and read any of your own previous posts. This is the perhaps the best example of hypocrisy I've seen this year. Your only visible "natural instinct" seems to be backing a liar and soon to be a loser.

On 2nd thought, does that mean even you are starting to distance yourself from obama?

Distrust, dislike, disagreement with the POTUS's positions and policies..all acceptable and even required in a democracy.

Prove it by letting just one anti-obama thread go without you jumping in to defend anything and everything obama.

Bullsh*& however has no place in the discussion and I have a natural disdain for those dishonest folks who think otherwise.

Sorry, but that rule has never stopped you from posting ...

People here need to learn, as you said, that dissent is part of democracy. That disagreement over "your guy" does not equal hate or racism. All any one needs is a little patience to wait until whoever the current POTUS is screws up and then it'll be your turn to "hate" the next guy.

I am really guilty of post skipping, but surely someone has brushed on the fact that as far as posts bashing someone... Bush has Obama beat with ease, on this site anyway. I was one of them then, and I am one of them now. I voted for kerry, and swore bush was the antichrist.

I am willing to bet obama could probably smash baby bunnies with a sledge hammer at a press conference, and still not compare to what bush endured as far as bashing.

I was one of the many on here that would have loved to personally wedge bamboo chutes under bushes fingernails. Basically people see the same actions with obama. hes no different and you all bought it. congrats

to define "actions" bush started the bailouts. against the majority of this countries will. obama continued with the same message of dire need and forceful speed to remedy the problem, wich always threw up a red flag for me. whoe are thes guys taking orders from?

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Mailman]

Originally posted by Mailman
to define "actions" bush started the bailouts. against the majority of this countries will. Obama continued with the same message of dire need and forceful speed to remedy the problem, which always threw up a red flag for me. Who are these guys taking orders from?

Who's giving the orders? I've already mentioned this earlier - the secret shadow government. Things aren't as simple and straightforward as they seem. Within this shadow government, apart from other departments, there is a:

Federal Reserve System.

This consists of a cartel of private banks overseen by elite super-wealthy financiers, such as the Rockefellers, Mellons, DuPonts, Rothschilds, etc., which dictate to the Government the flow of money, worth of money, and the interests rates. And needless to say, the bailout packages too! You and I are non entities in this big financial game. Whatever opposition anyone may have, the agenda and the road map, etched in stone has to be followed come what may, failing which......Remember Kennedy? Fall in line or else...

Poor Obama! He's the fall guy! Like between a rock and a hard place!

reply to post by maybereal11


Holder and Napoleano both admitted to not reading the bill after they bashed it.

www.politico.com...

www.cnsnews.com...

Just thought I would help centurion out a little, enjoy your reading.

It's because, Obama promised change, when that didn't happen in the first 30 seconds of his presidency with a wave of a magic wand, the extreme right went on the hunt.

For as long as Obama is in office, the extreme right will be flipping out over every single little thing he does. They will call for everything from him to be impeached to his head on a platter.

The same DID happen when Bush was President, I am sure that the same thing happened when Clinton was president, so on and so forth.

The wingnuts shout with the largest megaphones.

Look through this thread, there are a couple of posters here that are obsessed with bashing Obama at every opportunity. (you know who you are, don't deny it) they don't care what he does, what he accomplishes, to them, it will be the worst thing that has ever happened in the history of the world.

My suggestion? Forgetaboutit, it's not worth arguing with idiots, they only will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

These people will hate Obama no matter what you bring up. It doesn't matter.

reply to post by whatukno


I disagree with almost 99% of what you said, for the record. Yeah, whatever helps you guys sleep at night. If it helps you accept the fact that Obama is a war-hawk, Goldman Sachs, CFR stooge, do what you have to do. Just go back to sleep, your government is in control. Watch some reality TV and drink some beer.

reply to post by justinsweatt


Like I said, it's not worth the argument, some people are hell bent and convinced that Obama is some Anti-Christ, evil, socialist, monster that is trying to make damn sure that the United States goes under.

Can they prove any of this? Of course not. The great standby of CFR, Bilderberg, NWO, are ever available to fill any holes in the story these people have.

The reality is, Obama is an oligarch, I have said it before, and I will say it again, he is an oligarch, (look it up if you don't know what that is.) He was hired by the people, endorsed by the most powerful to look after their interests.

People need to realize that Obama and every president before and after him is the CEO of the United States, he has absolutely no constitutional obligation to the people, his obligation is to the welfare of the United States and solely to that end he is tasked to work.

His bosses are the shareholders of the corporation that is the United States. You know, the people that buy treasury bonds by the billions? That is who the POTUS works for.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by justinsweatt

 

Like I said, it's not worth the argument, some people are hell bent and convinced that Obama is some Anti-Christ, evil, socialist, monster that is trying to make damn sure that the United States goes under.

Can they prove any of this? Of course not. The great standby of CFR, Bilderberg, NWO, are ever available to fill any holes in the story these people have.

The reality is, Obama is an oligarch, I have said it before, and I will say it again, he is an oligarch, (look it up if you don't know what that is.) He was hired by the people, endorsed by the most powerful to look after their interests.

People need to realize that Obama and every president before and after him is the CEO of the United States, he has absolutely no constitutional obligation to the people, his obligation is to the welfare of the United States and solely to that end he is tasked to work.

His bosses are the shareholders of the corporation that is the United States. You know, the people that buy treasury bonds by the billions? That is who the POTUS works for.

It would seem that you have a serious reading comprehension issue here especially when you say that he has no constitutional obligation to the people, the welfare of the United States and is nothing more than a CEO. This is patently ridiculous and frankly, makes any sort of criticisms that you may have those critical of the Obama administration NULL and VOID. You should consider that the Executive Branch has been growing in massive power since TR in 1913 at an unmitigated and unprecedented rate so the passive stance of "the president is just a CEO" is false. You fail to have a basic grasp of the Presidential powers in the Constitution and trotting out five cent words like "oligarch" does not hide the fact that is plainly obvious that you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.

reply to post by OrionHunterX

Ok, so what would YOU have done for 'change'?

That was his mantra, he owns it.

reply to post by justinsweatt


acutally...

Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Source: www.archives.gov...

See anything in that text that says that the POTUS is in any way at all obligated to the people of the United States?

You won't find it, because it is not there. The POTUS has absolutely zero obligation to the people of the United States, he however does have executive power over the United States as an entity.

Figure out reality first before criticizing me please. The only people in Washington that represent you are your elected representatives, NOT the president.

Right, because with Executive Orders, Signing statements, and political strong arming, Presidents always follow the Constitution. That's the way things are laid out in the Constitution, but as I pointed out earlier with the powers going more and more to Executive branch, your argument just is pointless because Presidents have stopped following the Constitution.

See anything in that text that says that the POTUS is in any way at all obligated to the people of the United States?

Yes, it's called the Oath of Affirmation.

reply to post by justinsweatt

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Hmm, nope, no "people" in that oath.

The president's obligation is to the country, not to the people. Your representatives obligation is to you. That is why they are your REPRESENTATIVES, This is a representative democracy. The POTUS is a leader, not your little whipping boy, he does not answer to you directly.

Whining about Obama is so absurd, if John McCain were in office, alot of things could be even worse and there'd be more whining.

President is only a cog in the machine and his powers are limited, his decision making is based on advisors and the entire machinery that makes washington run.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

The bailouts were not his, they were 43's get your facts straight.

Fact: Only the Congress has the power to regulate the monies the Federal government uses.

U.S. Constitution; Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Question: Which political party has held the majority in the Congress since 2006?

Answer: The Democratic Party.

Get your facts straight.

Remember, "The sky would fall, the market would lose a thousand points one day and a couple thousand the next!". Perhaps you are forgetful and how TPTB manipulated, conned, scammed money out of The Congress?

Anyone remember what Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-NY) warned on The House Floor when the bank bailouts were going through in October 2008?

"The sky would fall, the Market would fall a couple thousand points"

1. Reasons for it :
www.youtube.com...
2. Response vid :
www.youtube.com...

My, my how easily people forget that the entire mess from the last decade has all been connected to one lone group acting maliciously, autonomously and vindictivly.

Banks and big oil run this nation and not the Average American.

Remember the original provision called for a blank cheque using no oversight? Shades of dictatorial rule.

BTW, under which Administration have you gotten a tax break from or relief from? That's right, Democrats. Quit with the "Left V. Right" paradigm as it is extremely hazardous to our health both personally and nationally.

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