Ground Zero Mosque Overwhelmingly Approved

I dont care if anyone calls me a bigot, I think this is a stupid idea. As someone else said, of ALL things to build near ground zero, a mosque?

What happened to a memorial? Is the mosque a memorial?

Pandering is alive and well in NYC.

And why do we need to build this? Unity, peace and bridges? What? SUPPOSEDLY ground zero is ground zero because of Muslims.

This just makes NYC look like the pandering cowards they obviously are.

There is no sense in this world anymore.

BTW is there a Japanese monument honoring the Japanese people at Pearl Harbor, for the unity and peace?

Is there a monument or building dedicated to neoNazis at OK City?

Is there a nice big American Building erected near Hiroshima?

Did Iraq erect many American buildings honoring and unifying their war torn country?

This makes no sense, makes NYC look like pandering cowards, and will ONLY serve to remind us that Muslims did this.

DING DING DING!!!!!

DING DING DING!!!!!!

Of course.

OF course.

They are building that mosque there so WE NEVER FORGET who the "enemy" is, ever!

Manipulating, pandering fools.

By, HotBIGOTtater

reply to post by hotbakedtater


God people are so IGNORANT.

I swear.

Look friend, the enemy is not Muslims.

If you think that, then yes, you ARE a bigot.

What is the US just suppose to hate Muslims for the rest of time now?

I had a Christian come to my door the other day and tell me i'm going to hell, and then he broke my mailbox. Should I now hate ALL christians for his actions?

Ofcourse not, that's ridiculous.

You're being ridiculous.

~Keeper

[edit on 5/26/2010 by tothetenthpower]

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

Originally posted by SmokeandShadow

Originally posted by Johnmike
reply to post by The Patriot

 

Then you are a bigot. What if I told you that I don't trust Christians?

I can brink up plenty of atrocities by Christians. Why can't I bitch about a church in NYC then?

Well you are completely free to rail against anything you want...it just won't have the same punch if the church wasn't built where 3000 Arabs were murdered by brainwashed Christians. Note that I say brainwashed.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by SmokeandShadow]

Again, blanket statements.

Not Christians, Christian Extremism. ANY violence with a religious undertone is extremism and HAS to be labeled as such for peopel to understand the difference.

Same goes for the other side, Muslim Extremism.

~Keeper

ahhh...umm.. you didn't note that I said brainwashed I am guessing?

But in all seriousness, enough with the PC crap, any educated person knows that outside of the innocent believer lies an institution seeking control, dominion and more numbers. Both judeo-christianity and Islam operate as such on varying levels and success.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by SmokeandShadow]

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Oh I did.

Sorry for the confusion, it wasn't directed at you specifically, just in general.

I wanted to make that point and your post was the example used. Nothing against what you said, I agree, they were brainwashed. i just think too many don't make the association when it comes to this sort of thing.

~Keeper

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Maybe a building where all three major faiths can come together and realize that they all stem from the same place. With a big statement in front of it that reads, "God Does Not Want Us Killing Each Other Over Him".

That might be cool.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


What a silly argument. Comparing this to an American flag in Hiroshima makes no sense. There are American bases in Japan, by the way. A mosque is a monument to nothing, except for Muslims' faith. Did one billion Muslims attack the WTC, or did 19? Part of moving on and healing is accepting that only a very small segment of the population carried out the attacks.

reply to post by jerico65


Saudi Arabia's rulers make no claim to be democratic and free. America's do.

Copied from another thread on the same topic because a lot of folks seem to misunderstand what actually the decision was about.

Just to clarify some practicalities outside of the discussion of what is appropriate or not.

I have gone before several community boards in NYC because of the business I was in. Although in many cases public comment can be vigorous for or against a particular venture, the board is all but powerless to stop it if the proposal is built on solid legal foundation. In the old days NYC community boards were much more proactive insofar as deciding things on a whim and opinion ... a few massive lawsuits later they all got extremely "gunshy" about rejecting anything other than because it doesn't comply with local and zoning laws and directives. In essence, if any proposal is sound from a compliance perspective, no matter the public outcry, they will pass it for fear of lawsuits. I can imagine if they had exercised such capriciousness in this instance it would have cost them millions (which they don't have) to defend in a lawsuit which they would lose anyway.

Just thought I would add this element, for chances are it is the major reason behind their decision rather than any ethical considerations.

And regarding the issue of whether it is appropriate to build a mosque near ground zero:

I'm having a bit of a hard time grasping what the issue is that folks are having with a mosque being built near ground zero ...

First of all in order for one to have an issue they would have to be convinced that it was in fact "muslim extremists" that carried out the attacks.

But let's put that aside for a sec and go along with the official story and assume that it was ...

Let me then ask the following ... do the same folks who object to this, object if someone proposes to build a christian church near where a christian fundamentalist bombed an abortion clinic?

Meaning, it stands to reason not to extrapolate and generalize the behavior of the followers of an entire faith because of the actions of its extremists.

To have an issue with the construction of a house of worship of any faith to be built near the place where some who have twisted that faith to a vicious end is simply glaringly false reasoning imho..

I mean ok ... we can say "there them muslims did that thing to us so no mosque for them" but it is rather silly.

ahhh...umm.. you didn't note that I said brainwashed I am guessing?

But in all seriousness, enough with the PC crap, any educated person knows that outside of the innocent believer lies an institution seeking control, dominion and more numbers. Both judeo-christianity and Islam operate as such on varying levels and success.

Yes, Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike can vary on the spectrum of extremity...

But the forces behind this particular Ground Zero Mosque unfortunately seem to stand on the high extremist ground.

Do some research...look up: Imam Rauf (ties to Malaysia) and “Cordoba Initiative"

reply to post by sonjah1

Cordoba Initiative (CI) aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, steering the world back to the course of mutual recognition and respect and away from heightened tensions. To do this, we need a coalition of leading individuals and organizations committed to promoting positive interaction between the Muslim World and the West. Cordoba Initiative does just that – it brings together leaders across the Muslim-West divide to speak out for innovative, proactive, and positive solutions to challenges we share.

www.cordobainitiative.org...


I fail to see the problem.

[edit on 26-5-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross]

[edit on 26-5-2010 by InvisibleAlbatross]

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

God people are so IGNORANT.

I swear.

Look friend, the enemy is not Muslims.

If you think that, then yes, you ARE a bigot.

What is the US just suppose to hate Muslims for the rest of time now?

I had a Christian come to my door the other day and tell me i'm going to hell, and then he broke my mailbox. Should I now hate ALL christians for his actions?

Ofcourse not, that's ridiculous.

You're being ridiculous.

~Keeper

[edit on 5/26/2010 by tothetenthpower]

I dont like ANY organized religions, Christianity and Islam are both patriarchal, mysoginistic, oppressive, and murderous. Neither have a place on our planet anymore, hatred and oppression is ALL organized religion offers.

But now that I have thought about this, I am fairly certain this is being erected precisely for the reason I stated, to keep the division going, this is NOT a peaceful and uniting action.

Thank you for the personal insult, I can see my opinion is unpopular but resorting to calling me ridiculous is a lame tactic.

Muslims are not the enemy, the organized religion itself IS, and that is why building the mosque there is a slick move by the PTB that want and need this division to remain.

Those of us who see this as a stupid idea can instantly be labeled BIGOT and any points we try to raise (I HAVE given several points for my opinion) dismissed.

WHY a mosque? For peace and unity? Please. Division. And everytime someone passes this ground zero mosque, for the foreseeable future, will they think PEACE and UNITY or will they think, muslims did 9/11?

Who was it that forever etched the bigotry into our minds in the first place?

Oh, our government, the real divider.

Still think this is a stupid idea.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by hotbakedtater

 

What a silly argument. Comparing this to an American flag in Hiroshima makes no sense. There are American bases in Japan, by the way. A mosque is a monument to nothing, except for Muslims' faith. Did one billion Muslims attack the WTC, or did 19? Part of moving on and healing is accepting that only a very small segment of the population carried out the attacks.

Then how is building a MOSQUE at ground zero helping to heal and move on from what OUR government drilled into our heads, that the muslims are the enemy, they did this crime on 911?

Personally I think its stupid, and I think it is being done for manipulative and divisive reasons. Most americans associate a mosque with muslims and thanks to the US GOVT terrorists are mostly muslims you know.

Maybe I didnt make my point smoothly enough, but I was hoping the point could still be understood that I am trying to make.

All this is going to do is keep reminding people and it has nothing to do with healing and uniting and peace.

I think our governemnt did a lot to ensure we as a people think Muslims are terrorists. We are ACTIVELY destroying Muslim countries as we sit here debating!! DESTROYING because we are at WAR with the ENEMY.

I hope my point is more clear now, can you not see how it could be perceived from my way of thought?

I hope they build a church and a Jewish synagogue next to it.
Then if they go to worship, they have to pass by Christains, Jews, Buddist, Dauist, Scientology people, even Athiests, Pagans, wiccans, and everyone else.

I say give everyone a few feet to build a tiny room of worship big enough for some people to stand in. Then everyone has to see everyone else.

If they want to be all fair and for peace they would have a lot of different things in the area. They should make them all little places of worship, like maybe a little church, little synagogue, then a mosque, statue of Buddha and well, just everything.

I don't think we should have only a mosque because that isn't really fair. So if they get to build a mosque there, then they should leave some room for
other's to build something or have a symbol of their belief.

Maybe not have an actual building there but everyone gets just a bit of land big enough for a few people.

So it would be like pods or something. I don't know how much space is there but devide it up and give everyone a piece.

Then if they don't want to worship with other faiths so close by, then they can leave.

A mosque is a start but I think, they should dedicate it to the parts of society that have been made scape goats, throughout western history

for example

Witches
Anarchists
Communists
scientists
Mexicans
Indians
Black people
The poor

perhaps turn it into a museum that teaches the real facts and history of these groups.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


You answered your own question:

that the muslims are the enemy

You say the government drilled into our heads that they are the enemy. This is a way of saying "No, Muslims are not the enemy. The members of AQ are the enemy."

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Violater1

 

"These people"? You realize there are a billion Muslims in the world? YOu honestly think every Muslim wants to kill Americans? If that were true, there would be no America.

No not all. But 10% of a billion is still 100 million.

And the so-called "peaceful muslims' stare at their shoes or cough and look the other way when their murderous fellow islamists go on a bombing spree.

Were they out in the street protesting the actions of their fellow muslims, I would believe them when they say it's just a few bad apples. But you don't hear a peep from CAIR or any other muslim group when their kin go on a bombing spree?

Why is that?


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Originally posted by Darkrunner


And the so-called "peaceful muslims' stare at their shoes or cough and look the other way when their murderous fellow islamists go on a bombing spree.

Just like a lot of the peaceful Christians did when the the most prominent Christian leader in the world aka Bush invaded Iraq.

Yep there are Muslims that sympathise with, the violent “terrorists” but most of that comes down to either the same racism you hear from people in the west or the fact that the west has been abusing Muslim countries for a long, long time.

This didn't start on 9/11.

the Muslim “terrorists” have acted no worse than many western soldiers and politicians have over the years.

Originally posted by monkofmimir

Originally posted by Darkrunner


And the so-called "peaceful muslims' stare at their shoes or cough and look the other way when their murderous fellow islamists go on a bombing spree.

Just like a lot of the peaceful Christians did when the the most prominent Christian leader in the world aka Bush invaded Iraq.

Except Bush the Imbecile wasn't in Iraq telling people to convert or killing them, he was just killing for oil, not some idiot religion.

Nevertheless, both are idiotic enough reasons to be killing....

Originally posted by C11H17N2NaO2S
What a load of nonsense.

This would never get approved higher up. What an insult to the people who died. Out of all the things to put up and build they approve a mosque (I almost choke as I say that word).

Well we can say what we want about unity and the like, peace ect.....but we should remember that the guys that pulled this were like cream of the crop crusaders for Islam....and it does look like a victory or show of respect for thier efforts.

None the less....

Originally posted by Darkrunner

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by Violater1

 

"These people"? You realize there are a billion Muslims in the world? YOu honestly think every Muslim wants to kill Americans? If that were true, there would be no America.

No not all. But 10% of a billion is still 100 million.

And the so-called "peaceful muslims' stare at their shoes or cough and look the other way when their murderous fellow islamists go on a bombing spree.

Were they out in the street protesting the actions of their fellow muslims, I would believe them when they say it's just a few bad apples. But you don't hear a fuking ....

I would listen to them maybe if they had the class to say that as a show of.....something....that they wouldnt build there of all palces. Not very "sensitive" is it? No in fact they apparently jumped at the chance to mark the spot.

And its not like many many concessions havent been made for them around this country and in the west.