Today's chemcast in Pasadena 5/25/10, page 2

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:27 PM

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Are you in the US Bank building, or maybe the B of A building? Any ladies sun bathing at the standard? lol.

There are numerous threads on here that show a connection between plane contrails and cirrus cloud formation. Most of them are used to debunk chemtrail theories. Personally I don't pretend to have any idea what the truth about chemtrails is other than I know there is a connection between cloud cover and air traffic on some days. I don't think it is an unusual phenomenon at all because it happens all the time. Lots of people can confirm the connection between contrails and cirrus clouds. Until I came to this site I had no idea that there was a documented connection between the two. Whether or not its population reducing or weather controlling chemicals, well I'll leave that to history to document. It seems like too gigantic of a task and way too inefficient. It seems like there would be much easier and more clandestine ways to go about doing these things. But for now I do know for sure there is an observable connection.

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Goddy

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:27 PM

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They usually begin coming from the Moreno Valley and Perris directions, so from where I am, these planes LOOK like they are originating from the March ARB I mentioned, even though it's supposedly "not fucntional" any longer.

Blue Shift

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by weedwhacker
Sorry to burst your bubble, Al Roker.....
What you got there are pictures of normal, everyday contrails.

I would just like to add that I think perhaps there was more military air traffic today because Obama is speaking in San Francisco, and they sent some additional cover there. When he last came to Los Angeles, there were huge circles in the sky from all the extra military planes flying around. And for some reason, military jets leave a more lingering contrail. Possibly because they burn hotter than civilian jets? I don't know.

Just a thought.

OldDragger

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:39 PM

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My exact location will remain undisclosed!
YES! The Standard does have some babes!
I've loved aviation all my life, grew up next to a small field. I can remember contrails in the 50's. I remember them because the 707 was brand new then, not much jet traffic. I also remember my Dad, ( 15th USAAF) telling me about the contrails from b-24's.
Things look pretty much the same today, just LOT'S more airplanes.
As for LA skies today, no different than the other 9 billion times I've looked out this window.

yuefo

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:39 PM

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Latest weather update: scattered oiliness. Mmm, so good, so oily.

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Stewie

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:48 PM

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Clifford Carnicom has been studying chemtrails for some time, and has an extensive website of devoted to this.
From his website is instructions for dramatically increasing the magnification of your digital microscope with parts off of a cheap webcam.

www.carnicom.com...

This will give your microscope the necessary magnification to analyze your own samples, whether it be saliva or blood, or whatever for these "suspected" contaminants.

He encourages people to take their own samples, but you can review his work as well.

www.carnicom.com...

edit to add: The first link is for the microscope instructions, and the second link is to the general website.

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weedwhacker

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 03:50 PM

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Clifford Carnicorn is a con artist, sorry.

By all means, read his nonsense, and decide for yourselves.

Look him up, see what OTHERS say about him.

Do yourselves a favor, and deny ignorance.

dbloch7986

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 05:38 PM

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There's always at least one babe up there! Ha! I used to joke with my coworkers that we needed to get a telescope on the 44th floor so we could look around.

Yea I know what contrails are. I also have read in the chemtrail debunking thread that they are capable of creating those ugly cirrus clouds. I prefer the white fluffy ones personally: cumulus. Or their darker cousin: cumulonimbus (love thunderstorms). I think cirrus clouds are ugly and they never fail to ruin a beautiful blue sky here in SoCal.

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Stewie

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 06:58 PM

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I am not sure where you got your information that contrails can become clouds. I would like to compare it to the conclusions reached here:

1. Contrails composed of water vapor routinely dissipate, as the physics and
chemistry of this model will demonstrate. As a separate and distinct
set of events, clouds may form if temperature, relative humidity, and
aerosol conditions are favorable to their development. If "contrails"
by appearance transform into "clouds", it can be concluded that the
material of composition is not water vapor.

www.carnicom.com...

I was a "sky watcher" long before this stuff came on the scene. Take it however you want...I don't know what is going on, but something is.

weedwhacker

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:20 PM

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HA!!

Problem is, you just cited Carnicorn....NOT a good source!!!

Perhaps you need visual proof, via a video. So much of the "chemtrail" nonsense relies on YouTube.

So (sigh) here's one from YT...(actually, it's good. Best way for layperson to understand clouds is in timelapse. Watch as a contrail fragment grows....)

There are man other examples of clouds, and contrails morphing.

Unfortunately, there are also a lot of cranks on YT who post videos of normal contrails and call them "chemtrails"...pretty sad, really.

onequestion

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:23 PM

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I support this thread. I have post some pictures of this in Santa Barbara where every few days the sky is Loaded with these trails. People deny their existence out of fear, not logic.

dbloch7986

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:28 PM

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There's a thread on here called something like "Let's debunk this once and for all -CHEMTRAILS". The mobile website doesn't allow for searches, all I can do is post comments and replies. I can't quote or do external text or anything like that.

Here's a story from the BBC. news.bbc.co.uk... all I did was a google search "how contrails become clouds". Its not hard to do and most pages are easy enough to understand.

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sowerby

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:33 PM

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This happens constantly out in rural parts of Missouri. Just thought I'd throw another location in there.

dbloch7986

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:36 PM

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Your logic is flawed. People don't smoke out of fear, does that make them "denyers"?

Please explain WHY chemtrails exist and what purpose do they serve? Please explain why the government would spent so much time and effort on a single project while also managing two wars, manning the borders, doing interstate law enforcement, maintaining interstate highways, fighting interstate crime, running clandestine CIA operations, extrodinarily rendoniting people, brainwashing, etc... And please explain where the money comes from? Please show me pictures from flight paths all over the world that show that in some countries that are not participating there are no "chemtrails" in their sky? Why has no other country mentioned this in their media? I mean Castro came out and explained the CIA's assassination attempts on him. Hugo Chavez has talked about our earthquake weapons. Why haven't they mentioned chemtrails? If you can't prove to me that there is a single country on earth that is not participating, then HOW did we get EVERY country on Earth to agree to let our airplanes spray them too? Even China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba?

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Goethe

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:49 PM

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New Videos going up today

Great images of Aerosol Forcing.

Theres 3-4 wannabe debunkers here that will surely come out to claim your a loony, but I personally think theyre the same person using alts and maybe even a govt disinfo agent. Theyre using them now in Canada.

Anyways, theyre spraying heavy here too on the east coast.

onequestion

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:50 PM

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I think you are under estimating the power of the drug trade and its ability to generate profit.

The man power can come from anywhere, i personally know engineers who work for companies that are engineering components for aviation technology they have know idea what its for. These companies would include Northrop, and Raytheon.

From personal experience of just "seeing" what's going on on military bases tells you we know nothing of what's going on. I remember the countless squadron meetings we have had where the officers, and CO, XO have told us that they understand our sentiment about us not knowing what we are doing and working on/towards, but to understand what we were doing was for the benefit of the fleet and so on and so on.

Mybe someone could shed some light on Hanger 5 in Naws China Lake?

Goethe

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:52 PM

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Originally posted by dbloch7986
Reply to post by onequestion

Your logic is flawed. People don't smoke out of fear, does that make them "denyers"?

Please explain WHY chemtrails exist and what purpose do they serve? Please explain why the government would spent so much time and effort on a single project while also managing two wars, manning the borders, doing interstate law enforcement, maintaining interstate highways, fighting interstate crime, running clandestine CIA operations, extrodinarily rendoniting people, brainwashing, etc... And please explain where the money comes from? Please show me pictures from flight paths all over the world that show that in some countries that are not participating there are no "chemtrails" in their sky? Why has no other country mentioned this in their media? I mean Castro came out and explained the CIA's assassination attempts on him. Hugo Chavez has talked about our earthquake weapons. Why haven't they mentioned chemtrails? If you can't prove to me that there is a single country on earth that is not participating, then HOW did we get EVERY country on Earth to agree to let our airplanes spray them too? Even China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba?

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dbloch7986

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 07:56 PM

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Okay, let me get something straight. I am not a debunker. I just have never seen a legitimate reason as to why the government would go through so much trouble to spray the sky full of junk. I mean that stuff never lands on target, it inevitably gets dissipated into the prevailing winds. It would make more sense to poison the water. There is no need to do it EVERYDAY, every single day, with few exceptions. I mean why do they coninuously do it every day, for the last, what 20 years? What's the goal? Does it ever end? Why would they poison the air that they also breathe? I mean everyone has to breathe the air don't they? Please explain.

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Stewie

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 08:01 PM

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Yes, you have to wonder about the "debunkers" who ALWAYS show up. You think they would give up on us. (Worse than Jehovah's Witnesses)
Like that link, good music.
I have never, EVER saw that crap growing up from ANY airplane.
It is funny, for THIS "conspiracy" you have to bring the physics, visual evidence, possible motivations, capability, but...
they still have Phage....

dbloch7986

posted on May, 25 2010 @ 08:02 PM

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I just want to know why. That's all. Just tell me why they do it and I'll leave. I want a legitimate reason to poison the air that you breathe and why they would expend so much effort doing it. Population reduction is a theory, but it doesn't seem to be working. Weather modification is a theory but why use a method that you have to spray every single day to saturate the atmosphere instead of using an easier method. It obviously would not work as a weapon because you would have to invade enemy territory and saturate their air before you could use it. Radar enhancement is another. But again why would tptb poison the air that they breathe too? And if its not poisonous, then who cares?

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