2 Amateur Photos from commercial flight over Gulf of Mexico

Originally posted by ikonspyre

realistically, what should be the punishment of people who are responsible for the scale of this kind of catastrophe, either through purposeful action, or irresponsible inaction?

why havent the names and addresses of all the upper echelon of BP and their affiliates been published so people can protest them wherever they go and make their lives a living nightmare?

i dont advocate violence at all.....id rather see these suckers squirm and hide their faces wherever they go for the rest of their filthy dirty rotten scoundrel lives.....

This whole thing is making me ill. Me and my family have been vacationing in Florida and the gulf coast since I was a kid. We're actually going down in July for holiday, although we'll be volunteering in any way we can to help instead of playing in the waves and lounging on the beach. I'll be sure to take lots of pictures and share what it looks like.

I've gone through every negative emotion while watching this thing unfold, and I think the worst feeling is just the sense of utter helplessness that I feel watching that pipe gush oil into the water every second of every day.

I find it hard to believe that with all the technology that we have at our disposal, we can't shut this thing down. It makes me wonder if they're more concerned with "tuning it off" with the option to turn it back on later instead of just permanently shutting it down. Based on what we know about corporate greed and narcissism, I tend to think the prior is the case.

As ikonspyre suggest, these people have to be held accountable and should be protested / heckled wherever they go (not advocating violence, but calling them out and letting them know that everyone knows who they are).

Here's a link to BP's Board of Directors:
www.bp.com...

and their Executive Directors:
www.bp.com...

This is a contact form that they've set up for "suggestions"
www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com...

Everyone should be sending messages to BP every day that this continues and let them know what you think about this disaster.

All of us, and I mean ALL of us are dependent on oil. You drill for oil and accidents happen. You transport oil and accidents happen.

People advocating violence against BP gas stations, are you going to drive there?

This is an environmental disaster of significant proportions and look us all having a pop at everybody apart from the real culprits: Ourselves.

Obama is a man.. ..I think. It is going to take more than freedom's poster boy to sort out this problem and I highly doubt that the boots on the ground are stood there with their thumbs in their asses. If it turns out that BP are culpable then we should go from there.

The gulf will be ravaged by this accident. People will lose their way of life.
Instead of slagging each other off, let's get something done, like my Kid's school that have just started a fund raiser for cleaning up the wildlife. These kids are Dutch for cryin' out loud.

Thanks for the post. You don't happen to know the altitude of the plane do you?

The brownish-blackish mix of oil and water just looks toxic and nasty. It's a damn shame my friends...

reply to post by Shark VA84


Let's find out who owns BP. The owner(s) of BP should be responsible for this disaster. Isn't it the British Monarch? It can't be a little guy that the media can chew it over and over until it becomes a carcass.

I am willing to go to the gulf and help clean-up. I think everyone collecting unemployemnt in the south east should be out there aiding the cleanup effort. If there is a media crew out there with the balls to get into the restrcted beaches, arm up me and a some other like minded people and let us threaten to arrest those who won't allow access. Fighting for Mother nature is one of the few things worth fighting for.

Originally posted by notsoperfect
reply to post by Shark VA84

 

Let's find out who owns BP. The owner(s) of BP should be responsible for this disaster. Isn't it the British Monarch? It can't be a little guy that the media can chew it over and over until it becomes a carcass.

Here's a bit of info to get started:

archive.greenpeace.org...

Could the Gulf of Mexico oil spill be already be bigger than the massive Exxon Valdez spill in 1989 ?...

Exxon Valdez spilled 10.8 million US gallons....You really think the gulf oil spill will not pump more than that ? If you do that is fine with me , I base my science on reality . Next week they will try to stop it once more. Lets see if the oil can be stopped before we start to compare what oil spill is worse.



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reply to post by manonegro


I found the following paragraph from the web site.

"We do not know who owns the other two-thirds - beyond the fact that 20 percent are individual shareholders and the remaining 45% are unknown institutional shareholders located mostly outside the United States.”

Funny. It sounds eerily like Bernanke's mantra. "I don't know where the trillion dollars of the bail out money went."

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Boycott? LMAO! Americans have lost their #ing balls. Do you really think boycotting will do anything in this day and age? What is this Mandela and South Africa? Gimme a break. BP and the other companies involved have single handedly destroyed an entire ecosystem, and decimated an entire economy and all we can do is talk about boycotts? Where are the riots? Where are the trashing of BP gas stations? Where are the tar and feather literally of some of these asshole corporate execs? That's why NOTHING changes and nothing in America ever will. Nobody has any balls to do anything. And it's easy to sit back and say why don't I do something? We all individually have something to lose. Of course. I have a job, a wife, bills to pay and I happen to like my freedom. But if we came together collectively I'd have no problem throwing a few buckets of black paint all over the local BP station or staging a mass riot in their parking lot. But why can't we band together as Americans and collectively riot anymore? Because no one gives a flying # about anything unless it directly affects them. I mean hell I don't even see the people in the Gulf rioting at all. And we love to call terrorists willing to blow themselves up for 12 virgins in the afterlife cowards???????????????? PLease.............

We can't even slumber outside our front door for a real life tangible cause!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by nite owl


I live by the Gulf in FL (Clearwater). This will be strange to follow over the summer. A sheen of oil prevents evaporation, which heats up the water. A hot Gulf means huge hurricanes, but will they be all wind and surge (terrible surge), but little rain due to lack of evaporation? Also, Gulf coastal property values are going to plummet and people are already canceling visits, leading to a regional crash in the economies.

This is a catastrophe of highest order and no one knows where it will end or how.

reply to post by AndersonLee


To be honest, who is worried about which is worst?? This is a monumental disaster, and the attempt to stop it, clean it up, manage it, seems on the surface to be one giant cluster f@#k.

Who is taking ownership? please don't say BP. Which individual has ownership of this developing Global disaster? I don't give a rats arse what anyone says, unless you have an OWNER of the problem, the ball is going to be passed around like hot potatoes.

It is a month that this has been going on, where is that Glen Beck?? he seems to always be chewing the arse out of people not doing anything, and Governement conspiracy, why isnt' he down in the Gulf chewing some serious arse on what is the biggest story going down?

The way America is handling this, you will have one serious Global Class Action that is going to hit you soon, this is not just about America, this thing is going to cause untold damage to the Global Community and you guys are sitting on your fat arses doing squat.

It begs belief the utter incompetence that is being shown over this whole affair, it demonstrates America at is worse... why not for once forget about telling the world of all their failures, and how you need to get involved in fixing global challenges, and keep your arse firmly planted in the Gulf and gets this dogs breakfast under control today, not next week, not next month, but today.

Perhaps show some leadership in your own backyard, and then maybe people may give you some credability on a borader stage....

reply to post by pajoly


So what are you doing about it?? You live their and your sitting on ATS whining about what it may or may not be.. we all know what it is, are you hounding the # out of your governemnt members, are you ringing washington, are you stirring up the local press?..... this is my point, I don't see any sense of urgency, juts more of "who" is going to resolve this, and at the moment " who" does not exist, or if they do, they are not real visible or articulating any clear strategy...

Originally posted by jrod
I am willing to go to the gulf and help clean-up. I think everyone collecting unemployemnt in the south east should be out there aiding the cleanup effort. If there is a media crew out there with the balls to get into the restrcted beaches, arm up me and a some other like minded people and let us threaten to arrest those who won't allow access. Fighting for Mother nature is one of the few things worth fighting for.

I am not bluffing. Anyone up for this?

Santa Barbara, the Exxon Valdez, Bolsa Chica, Argo Merchant off Nantucket, and there are many more, these spills were so much closer to shore that the visible effect on marine life/fishing industry was immediate compared to now. Within hours of the spill you saw dead/oil slicked wildlife and beach sands coated with oil.

This BP disaster happened much further offshore, which makes it look like little is being done, when in fact the clean up action so far has been to contain, mop up floating oil. Since the oil is coming from a well so far down it is difficult to cap, and not from a ship (with a measurable volume) or well/pipeline easier to close off/repair, this spill is more like an overflowing toilet that can't be shut off than a milk carton spilled on the kitchen floor.

My 2c to explain something re American collective action. For three decades now, Americans have been told that "collective action" for economic/environmental self interest is evil Communism/Socialism/Nazism/anti-American/etc, but that to band together to defend church doctrine on a national-political level or to defend corporate interest was allowable. What collective action did corporatism advise after 9-11? Go shopping!

Americans need to stop listening to corporate cheerleaders and their political/media megaphones and once again get used to collective action for their own economic/environmental self interest.

Originally posted by Zosynspiracy
Boycott? LMAO! Americans have lost their #ing balls. Do you really think boycotting will do anything in this day and age? What is this Mandela and South Africa? Gimme a break. BP and the other companies involved have single handedly destroyed an entire ecosystem, and decimated an entire economy and all we can do is talk about boycotts? Where are the riots? Where are the trashing of BP gas stations? Where are the tar and feather literally of some of these asshole corporate execs? That's why NOTHING changes and nothing in America ever will. Nobody has any balls to do anything. And it's easy to sit back and say why don't I do something? We all individually have something to lose. Of course. I have a job, a wife, bills to pay and I happen to like my freedom. But if we came together collectively I'd have no problem throwing a few buckets of black paint all over the local BP station or staging a mass riot in their parking lot. But why can't we band together as Americans and collectively riot anymore? Because no one gives a flying # about anything unless it directly affects them. I mean hell I don't even see the people in the Gulf rioting at all. And we love to call terrorists willing to blow themselves up for 12 virgins in the afterlife cowards???????????????? PLease.............

We can't even slumber outside our front door for a real life tangible cause!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLease.............:flame Ok, so the next time you or one of your family members get in a auto accident, you'll understand when the peoples of the city you live in come trash your house? That will be ok right...You had it coming?

reply to post by desert


Some valid points and observations, your last paragraph very relevant

Originally posted by mweiss
These photos are from a guy on the Boycott BP group on facebook. I was deeply shaken when I viewed the first one. I don't think we will ever know the true extent of the damage. The guy from facebook said his flight was from Key West to Phoenix.


1st photo: sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net...
2nd photo: sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net...
This photo was also uploaded on facebook, it's a dead dolphin: www.facebook.com...#!/photo.php?op=1&view=all&sub j=119101198107726&aid=-1&pid=4717477&id=516146226&oid=119101198107726&fbid=395496121226

www.facebook.com...

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I think they have a good chance to stop the leak . I heard that The “top-kill” method that sends MUD to pump into the oil well hole. If this works this could stop the leak ...I think the gulf will be very good to say the least. I think they will stop that oil leak around 5000 foot deep of water, That would be a extremely brave accomplishment . Lets hope so, get our gulf back to normal and give these brave people a day off .

reply to post by AndersonLee


What the f@#k?

They were capping the well when this happened, so you are saying they are going to pump MUD down the well and stop this? They cannot even place a funnel over the broken pipe, and now you are saying they are going to get a mud pipe into the well and stop the flow? good luck with that........

Rioting and Going after convenience store owners will not help the situation at all. It will only use resources who could possibly be used to aid in the cleanup.

I have mentioned this before but in the 20 or so years of engineering I projects have done, many if not all for Fortune 500 Corporations, EXXON included, we ALWAYS have had in our overall project plan what is called a Contingency Plan.

A Contingency Plan is a course of action IF all else fails.

Example being, if the blowout valve fails AND we have a deep sea well blow, what is the course of action ?

Example being, if the platform sinks and the riser breaks off spewing oil into the ocean, what is the course of action ?

Do we have the equipment and resources ready ?

What is their response time ?

Enough about me, but my point is that our OIL soaked leadership by the previous administration allowed for deregulation of Industry after Industry is what leads and contributes to catastrophes such as this.

First the Banking industry and now the OIL industry.

We have offshore drilling worldwide but the difference IS that they have to adhere to and follow strict safety measures.

Its a known fact that this problem began with BP trying to cut costs and save time and circumventing precautionary measures on their US Oil platforms that are not permitted/allowed for offshore drilling sites in other countries.

So before we go out and begin using violence against people that had nothing to do with this we need to consider seeking out the root cause of who was paid off in Government AND Industry to allow it to occur in the first place.

And prevent this from every ocuring again.

Plain and simple.

'Nuff said.