Internet Censorship Continues Due to "Everybody Draw Mohammad Day"

A lot of assertions and no concrete proof.
Second line.

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I just did through Face Book and the CIA over an incident manufactured through VIACOM.

The whole thing was coordinated through a CIA Front, an entity tied in directly with the Military Industrial Complex and the Banks via the Skull and Bones 322.

All over a highly controversial incident VIACOM promoted.

Originally posted by Cabalis
A lot of assertions and no concrete proof.
Second line.

I would say 14,000,000,000,000.00 in debt is plenty of proof.

The reason the Neoconservatives targeted Evangelical Christians and Jews to support the Wars in the Middle East using religious inference is no coincidence.

It was the biggest block of support for the wars that they could possibly tap into, exploiting the religious angle.

This is all common sense.

The only people who have profited off of the wars is the military industrial complex and the banks, and government that has used it as an excuse to curtail liberties and broaden it's own power.

VIACOM is part of the bix six, and the big six are all in the military industrial complex through other sister corporations, and all have board members that sit on and control the banks.

VIACOM funds Commedy Central wich funds South Park.

South Park created a controversial episode for Commedy Central and VIACOM to exploit.

A movement was started through Face Book which is directly linked to the CIA.

The only people who wouldn't think that is way to many coincidences would be the people who don't mind being mindlessly manipulated for religious or racial purposes.

It's actually very simple.

Once you start thinking objectively instead of emotionally.

An emotional reaction was coordinated to respond to a manufactured situation all controlled through entities owned by the Military Industrial Complex and the Banks.

There for it is a conspiracy to manipulate Christians and Jews and other anti-Islamists for the benefit of the Military Industrial Complex and the Banks.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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I just did through Face Book and the CIA over an incident manufactured through VIACOM.

The whole thing was coordinated through a CIA Front, an entity tied in directly with the Military Industrial Complex and the Banks via the Skull and Bones 322.

All over a highly controversial incident VIACOM promoted.

Sourced from a site that claims " if internet sources are to be believed". For all we know they got this from an ATS thread. This is not exactly investigative reporting.

Plus, most importantly, this does not link the "draw mohammed day" page to the CIA. In fact, Facebook enourages content to be provided by its users.

Additionally, this does not explain the appearance of the event on other sites, nor does it explain a connection to the Seattle cartoonist who started it.

Nice try, but you're seriously grasping at straws at this point.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Cabalis
A lot of assertions and no concrete proof.
Second line.

The reason the Neoconservatives targeted Evangelical Christians and Jews to support the Wars in the Middle East using religious inference is no coincidence.

It was the biggest block of support for the wars that they could possibly tap into, exploiting the religious angle.

This is all common sense.

You mean common sense as in: things you make up and don't need to support with any facts?

We'e still waiting on the explanation for your original conspiracy claim.

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Actually you haven't come up with on fact to support anything you are saying, and seem prepared to say or do anything as to not have too...

Further...

Once again you are providing no sources at all for your opinions, and if you were to provide one, are you saying it is not going to come from the Internet?

Considering you have yet to provide one solitary source for your positions, and those who agree with you have come up with nothing but Internet based sources to outline their positions?

So why are Internet sources adequate for those who do agree with you.

Once again we see your double standards employed.

Christian Fundamentalism as a Instrument of US Military Doctrine The U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs came under heavy criticism earlier this month from Muslim and religious freedom advocacy groups after it invited to a conference three self-professed "former terrorists" with strong links to the Christian right.

Collectively known as the "3-X Terrorists", Walid Shoebat, Kamel Saleem and Zacharia Anani are front line soldiers in the U.S. "culture wars", a discursive battle over "values" and hot-button issues ranging from abortion to radical Islam.

The men collected 13,000 dollars for their appearance at the 50th annual Academy Assembly, a four-day conference attended by 200 international students and Air Force cadets and organised under the auspices of the school’s political science department.

To supporters, the 3-X represent "moderate" voices; they are self-professed Muslim extremists who converted to evangelical Christianity and are now exposing Islam for what it really is. To critics, they are frauds, accused of fabricating much of their past exploits as mass murderers in order to peddle their Islamophobia on the lecture circuit and on cable news networks, including Fox News Corp. and CNN.

But it is their relationship with political leaders and organisations across the right-wing Christian spectrum that seems to have elicited the greatest concern from critics.

"These men are frauds, but that is not the point. They are part of a dark and frightening war by the Christian right against tolerance that, in the moment of another catastrophic terrorist attack on American soil, would make it acceptable to target and persecute all Muslims," wrote former New York Times reporter Chris Hedges in a widely circulated online essay.

"They offer a window into a worldview that is destroying the United States. It has corrupted the Republican party. It has colored the news media. It has entered into the everyday clichés we use to explain ourselves to ourselves. It is ignorant and racist, but it is also deadly," he said.

Controversy seems to follow Shoebat and his associates wherever they go. Members of the public and the news media were not allowed to attend a student-run forum featuring the three at Stanford University. Princeton University cancelled a scheduled talk by Shoebat in 2005 because it was perceived as being "too inflammatory". In 2006, Columbia University restricted public attendance at a speech with Shoebat and former Nazi Hitler youth and German soldier Hilmar Von Campe only three hours before the event was to take place.

The Military Religious Freedom Organisation (MRFF), a group that is suing the federal government to combat what it describes as "creeping evangelism" in the armed forces, also denounced the visit.

The relationship between the evangelical Christian Right and 3-X runs deep, with connections to Reverend John Hagee’s Christian-Zionist Christians United for Israel (CUFI), as well as Focus on the Family, part of the para-church organisations that promote social conservative public policy in the U.S., and have maintained close relations with the George W. Bush administration.

Shoebat says claims to be a former Palestinian Liberation Organisation operative who attacked Jews, planted bombs in Israel, and in 1993 converted to Christianity. He released a book in 2007 entitled "Why We Want to Kill You", and appeared in a purported documentary film called "Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West."

The film was marketed in part by self-described "pro-Israel" groups, and featured interviews with Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, dubious "investigative journalist" Steve Emerson, Itimar Marcus of the Israel-based Palestinian Media Watch, and Daniel Pipes, a controversial scholar of medieval Islamic history whose website campuswatch.com sparked criticism in 2002 for its alleged McCarthyesque attacks on Middle East studies professors.

Shoebat has received the support of other neo-conservative pundits too. His website features a quote from Frank Gaffney, of the Centre for Security Policy: "In the 25 years I have been in Washington I have never heard anything so extraordinary and the truth so eloquently told by someone like this [Walid Shoebat]."

In the summer of 2006, Shoebat also spoke at the "Night to Honour Israel", a three-day event presented by Pastor Hagee’s CUFI, which aims to mobilise Christian Zionists as a political force, according to the San Antonio Express.

Shoebat, Saleem, and Anani are also slated to appear on a panel of ex-terrorists at the CUFI Washington convention in March. Other notable speakers include independent Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, Pipes, Gaffney, and Clifford May, president of the Foundation for the Defence of Democracies.

Saleem, who runs an organisation called Koome Ministries, says he was indoctrinated by the PLO as a child, and ran weapons into Israel via underground tunnels underneath the Golan Heights. But analysts argue there are no accounts of such an incident. Saleem also claims he was descended from the "grand wazir of Islam", a nonsensical term that Saleem rebutted on his website.

"I take responsibility for choosing that inaccurate term. I did so to obscure both title and geographical location of a cleric to whom I am related," he wrote.

The Koome Ministries website is quite clear on its purpose: first, to wake up, educate and train the Christian and Jewish communities on the impending dangers of radical Islam; second, to reach Muslims with the redemptive message of Christ; and third, to teach the Church "relationship evangelism" in order to reach Muslims with the Truth.

The site asks visitors to pray for specific Muslim nations, and provides videos of indigenous groups that are "ripe for the gospel:. The site currently features a video prayer appeal for a Berber group in southern Morocco, asking viewers to "pray for Southern Shilha Berbers will truly become Africa’s free men and women in Christ: pray against the spirits of Islam and mysticism that have kept them bound for generations."

Anani claims he has killed at least 223 people as a Lebanese militant during the early 1970s and was "almost beheaded" for converting to Christianity. A 2007 report in the Canadian Windsor Star cast doubts on his jihadi past; according to Tom Quiggin, a Canadian court-qualified expert of global jihadism, some of Anani’s accounts did not correspond with actual historical events.

"Mr. Anani is not an individual who rates the slightest degree of credibility, based on the stories that he has told," said Quiggin, a senior fellow at the Centre of Excellence for National Security in Singapore.

Sheobat and Saleem are U.S. citizens, and Anani is Canadian.

Global Research

In reality all you are doing is refusing to investigate or do any research on any medium, while simply attempting to refute anything that does not corespond with your own opinions that you can't even display how you arrived at with any form of proof.

In short my friend, the only person you are fooling is yourself and people who likewise want to fool themselves by refusing to investigate and question things.

That's not denying ignorance, that's insisting on it.

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To make this a conspiracy, one would have to assume that Molly, the artist that started the movement through FB, was in fact an agent of the Military Industrial Complex and banks...

Originally posted by flymetothemoon

Originally posted by rationaluser
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www.youtube.com...

According to you this is a "Peaceful protest" ha don't make me laugh do you know people were in that embassy when it was on fire try telling me no-one was hurt in that "freedom of expression" you're just digging a bigger hole to bury yourself in, if ever there was a religious apologist hiding behind the guise of an "agnostic" it would be you.

More danish embassies were stormed and set on fire. This year the cartoonist Westergaard survived anaxe attack by a Somali

Really, it is so hard to believe that some people just can't "let go". "Peaceful" is relative. Banging on a door with an axe is according to danish standards,not peaceful. Why not join one of the "We hate Westergaard" facebook groups instead. Sure they are entitled to "freedom of speech" all they want

Timeline of the JyllandsPosten Muhammad cartoons

Because I don't hate anyone. Everyone bears a portion of the responsibility in any confrontation.

Only serial killers target people at random.

I am no more interested in blaming Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus or Athiests in mass for the act of a violent few than I am in hating other people.

The onous is on us to find ways to get along with one another, and when we fail to do that not one profits as a direct result.

We all share the same planet and any marraige or partnership is a form of give and take.

What does drawing inflamitory cartoons with an eye towards political satire really give anyone that is productive and reasoned?

In fact all these people are commercial artists playing to an audience for profit.

There real reason is to earn a paycheck.

If there reason was to make the world a more peaceful and productive place they would in fact persue that through non-profit venues that are aimed at creating peace and peace is based on mutual respect.

Too many people on both sides of this issue think purely with their emotions, and both sides are as guilty in indulging emotional responses.

It takes two to have a confrontation.

It takes two to have a partnership.

So then it boils down to do you want a partnership or do you want confrontation.

Partnerships are not created in confrontational ways. It really is that simple.

So too is the fact that the military industrial complex and the banks make a fortune off of supplying and financing confrontations.

The truth is no one wins in a confrontation, and everyone looses.

So it really just boils down to how big of a looser does someone want to be.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Actually you haven't come up with on fact to support anything you are saying

I'm not saying anything. I'masking for you to substantiate your claims.

You claimed the military industrial complex manipulated fundie christians and jews into creating "draw mohammed day" to further a holy war.

So far, you've been struggling mightily with this bizarre conclusion you've arrived at, including posting things like that lengthy wordbomb above. Tie it all together and wrap this up finally. Or just admit that it's your suspicion that you just can't prove right now.

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I thought it was laid out pretty well. The evidence is there for anyone who wants to further investigate it. Or we can crawl back into the matrix and root for our side to win while we draw Muhamed at the bequest of the Military Industrial Complex. Go team!

Originally posted by Cabalis
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To make this a conspiracy, one would have to assume that Molly, the artist that started the movement through FB, was in fact an agent of the Military Industrial Complex and banks...

Not necessarily, conspiracies develop where motive and opportunity present themselves. Yet you do have to look at Molly and who employed her as a Cartoonist, and who owned that venue, and who owned that, and who owned that until you get to the top of the corporate ladder.

Then you have to look at who started promoting the issue subsequently on Face Book, how many of them might be tied into organizations like the Israeli Internet Defense Lead, Anti-Defamation League or Southern Poverty Law Center.

You also have to look at what portion of the main conspirators on Face Book are employed in the Security Industrial or Military Industrial Complex in some way.

People conspire to capitalize on other’s ideas all the time, it is the essence of what plagiarism is about, and why there are such things as copyrights and patents and trademarks in the world.

Investigating conspiracies can in fact take years, people who require absolute proof of one in 5 seconds over the Internet to consider one being in play, clearly don’t understand what a conspiracy is or how it works.

Investigating conspiracies is in fact what Law Enforcement Agents do and are jails would in fact be empty if they employed the same standards for instantaneous proof to make a determination as to whether to continue an investigation and root out all the facts, that Internet Skeptics and shills insist upon.

However the actual conspiracy started with South Park, it was neither random or accidental that they chose a topic that they knew would create a high level of controversy and attention.

Who ultimately would benefit from that, and who all would benefit from that, and do any of those entities have ties to VIACOM and ties to Face Book.

These are all things people who wanted to know the truth, for the sake of the truth would investigate in a studious, disciplined and exhaustive manner.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Actually you haven't come up with on fact to support anything you are saying

I'm not saying anything. I'masking for you to substantiate your claims.

You claimed the military industrial complex manipulated fundie christians and jews into creating "draw mohammed day" to further a holy war.

So far, you've been struggling mightily with this bizarre conclusion you've arrived at, including posting things like that lengthy wordbomb above. Tie it all together and wrap this up finally. Or just admit that it's your suspicion that you just can't prove right now.

I have stated clearly that my opinions are opinions, unlike you who can not actually see your opinions as merely opinion, and will not respond to how you arrived at your opinion through any source.

So once again, I have no idea who you are attempting to kid or challenge.

Clearly I do challenge myself and investigate things, because I have challenged myself to do so.

Clearly you don't challenge yourself, or care to illustrate anything that demonstrates how you have arrived at your opinions.

You seem totally ignorant of what the investigative process entails, and seem to have no inclination to participate in any investigative process, or any patience for the investigative process itself.

Nor do you appear to have any grasp of the myriad of mediums and amount of time it takes to investigate things.

By the way you still have failed to answer one question put to you, and in reality have brought nothing of substance to the debate.

That difference between you and I, is I am actively investigating, and I have a genuine need to know the truth...

You on the other hand aren't, and don't seem to genuinely care.

Once again the only person you are fooling is yourself in that regard.

I would say its far better to struggle mightily in pursuit of the truth, than to stick your head in the sand for the sake of convenience.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
These are all things people who wanted to know the truth, for the sake of the truth would investigate in a studious, disciplined and exhaustive manner.

Or for those who believe everything is a conspiracy theory and exhaustively set out to prove it in a biased, subjective manner.

So how again did the fundie christians and jews convince everyone to go to facebook and draw mohammed? Oh, that's right. They didn't. The people did it on their own.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I have stated clearly that my opinions are opinions, unlike you who can not actually see your opinions as merely opinion, and will not respond to how you arrived at your opinion through any source.

Okay. You made it all up.

You could have just said so to begin with and saved us all this trouble.

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Really they all showed up on their own coincidentally on the same day and time and place to do something that they had never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever done before in their entire lives.

WOW WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Once again you are in fact oblivious to all common sense or even seem to comprehend what you are saying.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Really they all showed up on their own coincidentally on the same day and time and place to do something that they had never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever done before in their entire lives.

WOW WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Once again you are in fact oblivious to all common sense or even seem to comprehend what you are saying.

That's essentially the way a viral meme works. All viral memes are distributed and accepted through cultures, not mandated and controlled by institutions. I suspect that this aspect of memetics never occurred to you, presumably because you think it possible that the CIA can make everyone draw mohammed.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I have stated clearly that my opinions are opinions, unlike you who can not actually see your opinions as merely opinion, and will not respond to how you arrived at your opinion through any source.

Okay. You made it all up.

You could have just said so to begin with and saved us all this trouble.

Really? Did I make up VIACOM, did I make up Commedy Central, did I make up South Park, did I make up Face Book, did I make up an event happening on Face Book that all these entities were involved with?

The only thing being made up here is your own determined effort to not ever investigate or consider conspiracies or have to do anything that lives up to your own standards for others.

You are simply looking to bait reactions, while promoting a stick your head in the sand and believe everything the corporate media tells you way of life.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Really? Did I make up VIACOM, did I make up Commedy Central, did I make up South Park, did I make up Face Book, did I make up an event happening on Face Book that all these entities were involved with?

That has nothing to do wth your claim:

that the military industrial complex manipulated fundamentalist christians and jews to exploit "draw mohammed day" to further a holy war.

That's the part you made up.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Really they all showed up on their own coincidentally on the same day and time and place to do something that they had never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever done before in their entire lives.

WOW WHAT A COINCIDENCE!

Once again you are in fact oblivious to all common sense or even seem to comprehend what you are saying.

That's essentially the way a viral meme works. All viral memes are distributed and accepted through cultures, not mandated and controlled by institutions. I suspect that this aspect of memetics never occurred to you, presumably because you think it possible that the CIA can make everyone draw mohammed.

Proof? Where is proof to back up your contention that it is a viral memes and that is how they work?

And if they can be manipulated through cultural aspects why wouldn't someone multi-cultural say like the INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND BANKS not instigate such things.

Which in fact they did instigate such things, since the whole thing originated through a corporate entity that they control.

Or are you now claiming there were no cartoons involved?

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Really? Did I make up VIACOM, did I make up Commedy Central, did I make up South Park, did I make up Face Book, did I make up an event happening on Face Book that all these entities were involved with?

That has nothing to do wth your claim:

that the military industrial complex manipulated fundamentalist christians and jews to exploit "draw mohammed day" to further a holy war.

That's the part you made up.

Actually I have already proved that through VIACOM'S involvement which is part of the Military Industrial Complex.

Are you saying that this controversy did not stem from a VIACOM paid production, because the only reference to a source you have made is an inferrence that this all stemmed from a South Park Episode which is a VIACOM paid production, which is a corporation and part of the Military Industrial Complex.

In fact the only person making up things here is you!