Space Weather reports possibility of Hyder Flare

Space Weather reports possibility of Hyder Flare

spaceweather.com

SOLAR FILAMENT: The sun may be spotless today, but it certainly is not blank. A long dark magnetic filament is looping around the northeastern limb, stretching almost 100,000 km from end to end:


Credit: Solar and Heliophysics Observatory (SOHO)

Long, bushy filaments like this have been known to grow unstable and erupt, producing a type of spotless flare called a "Hyder flare." If that happens now, Earth would likely feel some effects from the blast because the filament is turning to face our planet. Readers with solar telescopes are encouraged to monitor developments.

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With everything else going on in the world, let's hope this one is a dud, and turns out to be nothing.

The very strong link between solar activiyt and EQ activity makes this something to keep an eye on. Since, EQ activity has been relatively light recently, and since the sun has been blank, do you think this could set something off is the is does produce a Hyder flare?

Any feedback appreciated. Thank you

spaceweather.com
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reply to post by lasertaglover

What link is that? It's pretty hard to see any connection when the data is examined.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A Hyder flare is no big deal. Of interest because they occur in the absence of sunspots but they are of moderate intensity.


[edit on 5/20/2010 by Phage]

Halfway down the main page is where it talks about this filament. It is 100,000 km in length, but I think the signifigance here is that it is just now turning to face the earth.

True, they do not often erupt, but this one has been fully developed for several days now.

spaceweather.com...

I've followed Spaceweather for a while now and there's been quite a few of those filaments lately. I'm not actually sure whether any of them have resulted in flares, but if this one does it's not really likely to be a big deal.


The sun has been really quiet in recent years and it seems that people don't realize the level of activity that is actually normal for the sun.
People get all worked up at the possibility of a few big flares when those were an almost daily occurrence in the early 2000's.


That being said the sun IS in a very interesting phase right now.
I'd be curious to know whether these filaments are usually seen in these numbers. There's been a lot of them lately and it's not really something I've seen before, although I've only been following the sun closely for a few years.
There's also been a lot of solar wind flowing from coronary holes lately and as I understand it this is also a newly observed phenomena. (Usually nothing has really been observed coming out of these coronary holes.)





[edit on 20-5-2010 by MrVertigo]

Link to additional information regarding Hyder Flares:

www.ips.gov.au...

Generally Hyder flares are not associated with energetic particle emission or geomagnetic storms (implying that they may not be associated with a coronal mass ejection). However, this is not always the case, as a large halo CME observed by the LASCO solar coronagraph on board the SOHO spacecraft was most definitely associated with a Hyder flare (2N/M1) observed on 12 September 2000. This same complex also appeared to have produced energetic protons at geosynchronous orbit with energies in excess of 100 MeV, and in substantial numbers at energies of 10 MeV. It is believed that the sudden storm commencement observed at 0450UT 15 September, and the subsequent minor geomagnetic storm was produced by this particular CME.

reply to post by lasertaglover


One of the last hyder flares effects on Earth coincided with the Chile earthquake. So despite the claims from Phage this could be something bad if it collapses when it is facing us.

The magnitude 8.8 quake that struck near Maule, Chile, Feb. 27 moved the entire city of Concepcion 10 feet to the west.


Precise GPS measurements from before and after the earthquake, the fifth largest ever recorded by seismographs, show that the country’s capital, Santiago, moved 11 inches west. Even Buenos Aires, nearly 800 miles from the epicenter, shifted an inch. The image above uses red arrows to represent the relative direction and magnitude of the ground movement in the vicinity of the quake.

The analysis comes from a project led by Ohio State earth scientist Mike Bevis that has been using GPS to record movements of the crust on Chile since 1993. The area is of particular interest to geoscientists because it is an active subduction zone, where an oceanic plate is colliding with a continental plate and being pushed into the Earth’s molten mantle below.

www.wired.com...


Here is what people were seeing in the sky before the earthquake.
www.youtube.com...


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reply to post by ElectricUniverse

One of the last hyder flares effects on Earth coincided with the Chile earthquake

And this means there's a connection between the two how? If this were true, then every Hyder flare would produce a large Earthquake would it not?

Earthquakes happen every day in their hundreds, it's obvious when a hyder flare or CME happens it's going to co-incide with Earthquakes, even big ones from time to time.

reply to post by grantbeed


I have posted several peer-reviewed papers in the past that show Solar activity is linked to earthquakes, although Solar activity is not the only cause for earthquakes.

Solar activity as a triggering mechanism for earthquakes

John F. Simpsona, b

a Goodyear Aerospace Corporation, USA

b University of Akron, Akron, Ohio, USA

Received 7 November 1967; revised 16 December 1967. Available online 28 October 2002.

Abstract

Solar activity, as indicated by sunspots, radio noise and geomagnetic indices, plays a significant but by no means exclusive role in the triggering of earthquakes. Maximum quake frequency occurs at times of moderately high and fluctuating solar activity. Terrestrial solar flare effects which are the actual coupling mechanisms which trigger quakes appear to be either abrupt accelerations in the earth's angular velocity or surges of telluric currents in the earth's crust. The graphs presented in this paper permit probabilistic forecasting of earthquakes, and when used in conjunction with local indicators may provide a significant tool for specific earthquake prediction.

linkinghub.elsevier.com...

A relationship between solar activity and frequency of natural disasters in China
Journal Advances in Atmospheric Sciences
Publisher Science Press, co-published with Springer-Verlag GmbH
ISSN 0256-1530 (Print) 1861-9533 (Online)
Issue Volume 20, Number 6 / November, 2003
DOI 10.1007/BF02915516
Pages 934-939
Subject Collection Earth and Environmental Science
SpringerLink Date Sunday, June 08, 2008

Wang Zhongrui1 , Song Feng2 and Tang Maocang1

(1) Cold and Arid Regions Environmental and Engineering Research Institute, Chinese Academy of Sciences, 730000 Lanzhou
(2) Climate and Bio-Atmospheric Sciences Group, School of Natural Resource Sciences, University of Nebraska-Lincoln, Lincoln, Nebraska, USA

Received: 7 September 2002 Revised: 6 June 2003

Abstract The relationship between the length of the solar cycle, a good indicator of long-term change in solar activity, and natural disasters (drought, flood, and strong earthquakes) in China during the last 108 years is analyzed. The results suggest that the length of solar cycle may be a useful indicator for drought/flood and strong earthquakes. When the solar activity strengthens, we see the length of the solar cycle shorten and more floods occur in South China and frequent strong earthquakes happen in the Tibetan Plateau, but the droughts in East China as well as the strong earthquakes in Taiwan and at the western boundary of China are very few. The opposite frequencies occur when the solar activity weakens. The current study indicates that the solar activity may play an important role in the climate extremes and behavior in the lithosphere.

www.springerlink.com...

Research from all over the world shows the link.

Solar activity and global seismicity of the earth

Journal Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Physics
Publisher Allerton Press, Inc. distributed exclusively by Springer Science+Business Media LLC
ISSN 1062-8738 (Print) 1934-9432 (Online)
Issue Volume 71, Number 4 / April, 2007
Category Proceedings of the XXIX All-Russia Conference on Cosmic Rays
DOI 10.3103/S1062873807040466
Pages 593-595
Subject Collection Physics and Astronomy
SpringerLink Date Wednesday, May 16, 2007

S. D. Odintsov1, G. S. Ivanov-Kholodnyi1 and K. Georgieva2

(1) Pushkov Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere, and Radiowave Propagation, Russian Academy of Sciences, Troitsk, Moscow oblast, 142190, Russia
(2) Laboratory of Solar—Terrestrial Coupling, Bulgarian Academy of Sciences, Sophia, Bulgaria


Abstract Results of studying the character and possible succession of cause-effect relations (in going from a disturbance source on the Sun to a response in the lithosphere in the range of periods from several days to the 11-year solar cycle) have been presented. It has been indicated that the maximum of seismic energy, released from earthquake sources in the 11-yr cycle of sunspots, is observed during the phase of cycle decline and lags 2 yr behind the solar cycle maximum. It has been established that the maximum in the number of earthquakes directly correlates with the instant of a sudden increase in the solar wind velocity.

Original Russian Text © S.D. Odintsov, G.S. Ivanov-Kholodnyi, K. Georgieva, 2007, published in Izvestiya Rossiiskoi Akademii Nauk. Seriya Fizicheskaya, 2007, Vol. 71, No. 4, pp. 608–610.

www.springerlink.com...

Please next time do some research before making claims.



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reply to post by ElectricUniverse

If you are talking about this solar filament:
www.spaceweather.com...
The filament disappeared on March 11th, sometime between 07:19 and 13:19. There was no Hyder flare recorded or reported. It probably did not collapse but was ejected as most filaments are.



[edit on 5/20/2010 by Phage]

One more research that show Phage for whatever reason is making his own conclusions with no real evidence to back his claims.

Annales Geophysicae (2003) 21: 597–602
c European Geosciences Union 2003

High-energy charged particle bursts in the near-Earth space as
earthquake precursors
S. Yu. Aleksandrin1, A. M. Galper1, L. A. Grishantzeva1, S. V. Koldashov1, L. V. Maslennikov1, A.M. Murashov1,
P. Picozza2, V. Sgrigna3, and S. A. Voronov1
1Space Physics Institute, Moscow State Engineering Physics Institute, Kashirskoe shosse 31, 115409 Moscow, Russia
2Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Rome ”Tor Vergata” and INFN Sez. Rome2, via della Ricerca Scientifica 1, I–00133 Rome, Italy
3Dept. of Physics, Univ. of Rome ”Roma Tre”, via della Vasca Navale, 84, I–00146 Rome, Italy
Received: 21 July 2001 – Revised: 21 May 2002 – Accepted: 11 July 2002

Abstract. The experimental data on high-energy charged
particle fluxes, obtained in various near-Earth space experiments
(MIR orbital station, METEOR-3, GAMMA and
SAMPEX satellites) were processed and analyzed with the
goal to search for particle bursts. Particle bursts have been selected
in every experiment considered. It was shown that the
significant part of high-energy charged particle bursts correlates with seismic activity. Moreover, the particle bursts are observed several hours before strong earthquakes; L-shells of particle bursts and corresponding earthquakes are practically the same. Some features of a seismo-magnetosphere connection model, based on the interaction of electromagnetic emission of seismic origin and radiation belt particles, were considered.

Key words. Ionospheric physics (energetic particles,
trapped; energetic particles, precipitating; magnetosphereionosphere
interactions)

hal.archives-ouvertes.fr...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I've seen the research on both sides of the fence and my own opinion is that the Sun does not play any major part in causing Quakes.

I respect your own opinions on this and i'm well aware that you take this stance.

The sun has had long quiet periods for some time now, yet Earthquake levels are still average. (which is still thousands of quakes worldwide per day)

Obviously when there is Solar Activity it is going to co-incide with Quakes, it can't fail to.

It's like bettng on every horse race every day while holding onto your lucky rabbits paw your grandma gave you, you are going to have winners sure, but itaint nothing to do with the rabbits paw.

Anyway, thats only my own opinion, and thats after looking at data from both sides. I'm sure we can agree to disagree.

g

reply to post by Phage


Nice try Phage, i am talking about the one that collapsed in February 24th...and this is what "spaceweather.com reported would the effects be felt on Earth...

We have discussed this before.

Spaceweather.com reports in their archive for 25 February 2010 that “…The ‘Great Magnetic Filament’ on the sun that we’ve been tracking for the past week finally erupted yesterday… The event did not produce a bright solar flare, as sometimes happens when filaments erupt, but there was a coronal mass ejection (CME). SOHO coronagraphs observed at least one and possibly as many as three clouds billowing away from the sun… If any of this material is heading for Earth - a big unknown! -it would arrive on Feb. 27th or 28th.“

It was reported here by member WWJFKD when spaceweather/com announced this.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Interesting article. But it says nothing about Solar activity. It is about possible effects of seismic activity, not causes

The explanation of this phenomenon is based on the local disturbance of radiation belt particle flux caused by ultra low frequency (ULF) electromagnetic emission (EME) of seismic origin (Aleshina et al., 1992; Galper et al., 1995).

One of the reasons for the radiation belt disturbance is the EME of seismic origin which is generated during the earthquake preparation phase (Aleshina et al., 1992; Molchanov and Majaeva, 1994).

hal.archives-ouvertes.fr...

Maybe related to the reports of earthquake lights.



[edit on 5/20/2010 by Phage]

reply to post by grantbeed


If you had taken the time to read the research it shows that during times of solar fluctuations, either up or down, there are more earthquakes on Earth.

I rather believe what the research says than the "opinion" from one or two people who just want to dismiss the evidence.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Right, that one did not produce a Hyder flare either. Why did you say this:

One of the last hyder flares effects on Earth coincided with the Chile earthquake.

And as it turns out, the CME did not reach Earth.






[edit on 5/20/2010 by Phage]

There's definitely a link between solar activity and earthquake activity on earth.

After all, the sun makes up for 99% of the solar system mass. And GRAVITY affects everything... and the speed of gravity is infinite, meaning it has a DIRECT EFFECT.

If the sun turned into a black hole right now, we would feel the effects right now but we would only see the sun changing in 8 minutes...

So to all those who think that the SUN has no effect on earth's climate or earth's earthquake... give me a break...

reply to post by Phage



I thought it was very clear what the peer reviewed papers say, and btw in case you didn't know Phage Solar activity, either up or down influences high-energy charged particle bursts which have been linked to earthquakes...

BTW, just to see if you can read here it is again.

Solar activity as a triggering mechanism for earthquakes

John F. Simpsona, b

a Goodyear Aerospace Corporation, USA

b University of Akron, Akron, Ohio, USA

Received 7 November 1967; revised 16 December 1967. Available online 28 October 2002.

Abstract

Solar activity, as indicated by sunspots, radio noise and geomagnetic indices, plays a significant but by no means exclusive role in the triggering of earthquakes. Maximum quake frequency occurs at times of moderately high and fluctuating solar activity. Terrestrial solar flare effects which are the actual coupling mechanisms which trigger quakes appear to be either abrupt accelerations in the earth's angular velocity or surges of telluric currents in the earth's crust. The graphs presented in this paper permit probabilistic forecasting of earthquakes, and when used in conjunction with local indicators may provide a significant tool for specific earthquake prediction.

linkinghub.elsevier.com...

We know you like to make your own conclusions and you have made many times false assumptions hiding facts, and not posting what research says.

I would keep an eye on this magnetic filament and see what it does.

Once again Phage nails it, Love him or hate him he does have the ability to cut through the B.S. Fair play to the OP for keeping people informed, but this is another non-event.

reply to post by Phage
Dang it Phage! You and those facts again.

If you keep it up, you are going to ruin the collective fantasy some seem to have of the Earth being burned to a cinder.