Europeans have just joined a new country, Euroland is born.

You will go with the euro or find yourself in financial ruin. This is what they want. THE SIXTEEN, WHO ARE THEY? Merge with us or fall to financial ruin. I wonder how many more countries will bow to this agreement to so called save themselves. OH IM SORRY, THE DEATH STAR IS FULLY OPERATIONAL YOUNG JEDI.

Well, if the top members of the German government mysteriously wind up dead, we will know how things are going to go. The lines on the big chessboard that our world has become are getting clearer by the day.

Originally posted by nite owl
You will go with the euro or find yourself in financial ruin. This is what they want. THE SIXTEEN, WHO ARE THEY? Merge with us or fall to financial ruin. I wonder how many more countries will bow to this agreement to so called save themselves. OH IM SORRY, THE DEATH STAR IS FULLY OPERATIONAL YOUNG JEDI.

What you are saying doesn't make sense to me..

The 16 EUROZONE states? 16 elites?

Deathstar?

Take too much acid in the 70's?

Originally posted by warpcrafter
Well, if the top members of the German government mysteriously wind up dead, we will know how things are going to go. The lines on the big chessboard that our world has become are getting clearer by the day.

You think the former Polish President would had been against the 9 may treaty?

Originally posted by alienesque


and dont count on your constitution saving you......germanys constitution forbids this too.....hasnt seemed to bother anybody as yet....

Oh trust me, our Constitution wont save us. It will just make it take a little longer, thats all. Our Constitution is under attack constantly. Beginning well before the Patriot Act, and the most significant recent victory in this economic coup against our Constitution was the Supreme Court allowing Corporations to have the rights of people in regard to campaign contributions. Its all over but the crying here in the US, really.

We COULD still use our Democractic system to win back our country, but we wont. Our educational system is in shambles, and many adult Americans do not have the information or the reasoning skills to take the needed steps to regain control of our electoral system.

We are dumbed down, inattentive, deeply internally divided, politically lazy, apathetic and greedy as a people. We will end up part of a NAU and we will beg them for it. Initially. Which is a shame, because despite all the negative qualities I have just mentioned, we are still not a bad bunch of people. But freedom isnt free, and in the democracies around the world, citizens are having their own greed for even more stuff, more wealth, used against them.

Part of me feels we will end up with exactly what we deserve. The other part wishes we would wake the hell up and stop it before it is too late.

reply to post by Dermo


Do you think as a whole that the whole world should go to the euro? Why? If so, how do you think it will impact the world as a whole? You know and i know that not all countries will go for this. What becomes of them?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Part of me feels we will end up with exactly what we deserve. The other part wishes we would wake the hell up and stop it before it is too late.

makes sence, like ur avatar says. "know theysellf"

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reply to post by nite owl


No.. Not at all.

The world needs competition across currencies for the foreseeable future..

We are only talking about the EUROZONE here.. Not the EURO as a global currency..

Originally posted by ThraexX

The truth spoken! but my county didn't choose anything. Yes indeed, we are one of the founding coutry;s of the EU. But the people of The Netherlands voted a flatout NO to the Euro as currency. a year later we where circumvented by our governemt just as France and the Euro was
a fact.

Its happening in the US too, we have the illusion of democracy, we think we have a choice. But what we really have is two handpicked candidates both of whom serve the exact same economic interests. No doubt it is the same in your country.

I am not surprised your government ignores your wishes, ours does too.

I dont know the details of how your electoral process works, but I am sure if you get in there and dig, you will find money from corporate interests flowing into the hands of your politicians by some means. We have the illusion of freedom, not freedom, and we have the illusion of democracy, not democracy. I am sure it is not much different for you.

We are, (the people in the worlds democracies) being systematically stripped of our nationality (by mass immigration, to erode our identity as a unit who might work together,) our sovereignty, our weapons, our democracy, and the media that controls the flows of information is becoming less and less diversified, do you really think that this is all just an accident?

I dont. I also dont think its a plot in the strictest sense of the word. What it is is the simple truth that what is good for the economic powers of the world and what is good for the majority of the worlds people is not the same. It isnt now, it wasnt yesterday, and it wont be tomorrow.

Wealth does not trickle down. It never has. Wealth trickles up, it always has.

reply to post by Dermo


The eurozone, is this where only the euro currency is used? Also, the eurozone, does this mean, "the europe zone", it's just a question? So is the Eurozone going to widen it's horizons? The eurozone, im curious about it, just curious.

reply to post by nite owl


Yea, the EUROZONE is the area of EU states the use the EURO.

There may be a new state joining the EURO next year.. Estonia.. It only has about one or two million population.. But that remains to be seen with the situation that is happening now.

A state must be in the EU and follow strict criteria to join the EURO.

Only countries in the European continent can join the EU.

reply to post by Dermo


european continent, strict criteria. Who are in the european continent? What is this criteria about? why cannot peoples in the other continents join? Is this a members only club? Just curious.

Originally posted by ThraexX
reply to post by grantbeed

 

well not realy no. That was just a joint currency, thing happening now seem to move to al whole other level....read the article??


regards,

OK, you keep believing that my friend !

IMHO this was all planned many years ago. Look at how many countries went in head first and suffered afterwards. (including the Netherlands)

Now they are all in a frightening economic position.

the Euroland was born a long time ago, it's just being shoved in our faces now due to the economic crises.

reply to post by grantbeed


Loads of eu countries where p1ss holes like mexico, before eu built them up.

The eu has brought alot of benefit to these countries, no matter what anti eu people think and say.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander


I dont know the details of how your electoral process works, but I am sure if you get in there and dig, you will find money from corporate interests flowing into the hands of your politicians by some means. We have the illusion of freedom, not freedom, and we have the illusion of democracy, not democracy. I am sure it is not much different for you.

We are, (the people in the worlds democracies) being systematically stripped of our nationality (by mass immigration, to erode our identity as a unit who might work together,) our sovereignty, our weapons, our democracy, and the media that controls the flows of information is becoming less and less diversified, do you really think that this is all just an accident?

the most won't belive. wan't an example.?.. hek, ill give it to you anyway.

All of our mainstreem media is provided by an institution called the ANP. the main stockholders are farmacutical and military industrial involved compagny's...i think you know exacly where i'm going. Source (dutch, you'll have to translate)

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reply to post by ThraexX


I think I saw De Jager on tv tonight, supporting the idea of financial EU intervention in the national budgets.

Originally posted by nite owl
european continent, strict criteria. Who are in the european continent? What is this criteria about? why cannot peoples in the other continents join? Is this a members only club? Just curious.

Lol.. I hope you aren't messing with me..

The EU is the European Union.. 27 member states, 500 million people and approx 25% of Worlds wealth in an area about half the size of the US or half the size of Australia, taking up most of the European continent and its population..
en.wikipedia.org...
europa.eu...

The European continent or region stretches from Iceland to around Moscow and Northern Norway to the Mediterranean.
vlib.iue.it...

The political and economic strategy is to include only those that share European Values and History while creating a system to break down borders and pool economic and political resources across the continent which will eventually result in a country of sorts and a federal government in the EU.. Should it survive long enough.

The Criteria for joining the EU is that a country must be democratic with a high standard of rights, economic security and lack of corruption and be politically friendly with every state in the EU and outside it.. The country has to be voted in by the other members..
en.wikipedia.org...

The EURO is the EU's currency.. 16 out of 27 member states use it.. Criteria for joining the EURO means a country has to lock its currency with the EURO for a number of years without devaluing or raising inflation, running a deficit or a number of other things..
en.wikipedia.org...

People from other continents cannot join because it is a "European" Union.. And they more than likely wouldn't share European values and history..

reply to post by andy1033


build them up, bring them together, then bring them down too if they dont comply.

easy

reply to post by ThraexX


Exactly the point. Control the flow of information about the politicians, you control the election. Control the elections in a democracy, you control the government, its policies, its MILITARY, (particularly here in the US where ours is a "rent a war" service for the oil industry) and ultimately, its people.

A true political Messiah come to save us all from corporate greed could decide to run for office. But we would never know about it. He or she would never get air time.

You all fail to realise the real reason for the joining of most of the European Countries.

For a long long long time most of Europe have hated America. Joining force between the whole of europe would give us a huge population and more importantly a bigger Armed Forces. Who do you think this will be used against in the future. AMERICA for they start more wars than anyone else. NO one trusts America and the Europeans definately do not trust the Americans so a joint force or Euroland would hold more power globally than the states. More countries outside of Euroland would back us over the states. Its pure simple. This is us signing over our countries rights and individuality to become the greatest DICTATORSHIP since Hitler. Its his plan just disguised as something else. Hitler wanted ONE race to rule....Europe have take n this and tweeked it to not come across as Hitler did but the end goal is the same. Be assured that Europe and their leaders are after global dominance and the destruction of America whom they trust less than they trust North Korea.

I am simplifying this all for general reason but I have looked into this for 3 years on and off.

YES this is just my opinion and NO one else need agree but the EU "euroland" is for real and its a grander scale of what Hilter Wanted. Only we dont focus on Jews or whatever but on Nations like America. In order to control all the citizens of Europe you need "one law" and this is accomplished by "one land". By joining this "country" together we can create one police force and ONE army. The "ARMY". The political power this will bring will be enormous. The pressure it will impose on other nations will be HUGE. Europe will bend the entire world eventually to its warped but extremely desired will.