The Gulf of B.P. Oil Disaster : A National Emergency Situation and Smoke On the Water

What about the american navy?

Do they not know how to build underwater bases, so i would think that they must have more knowledge on this than bp also.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas


See if you can find those other threads and or news sources, please.

www.cbsnews.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> www.cbsnews.com...

Here you go, this is from CBS News, towards the bottom.
This is the last I ever heard of it.

EDIT: Guys, I cant get the URL to look right for some reason, sorry.


[edit on 18-5-2010 by lardo5150]

[edit on 18-5-2010 by lardo5150]

Originally posted by Brian1709
in regards to the clip from the movie Knowing.. the most disturbing part I find is that the movie was released 3/20/2009 and the oil rig explosion happened 4/20/2010/ EXACTLY 13 MONTH DIFFERENCE. the number 13 is clearly showing this was done on purpose, especially with other numerous terrible situations occurring on or around 4/19. They are purposely doing these horrible acts.

For those who are numerological challenged can you please explain why 13 is important?

Without taking the thread too far off the beaten path of the topic, please.

While I understand numerology, I do not necessarily believe in it, it is odd though.

I found the video clip of the movie "Knowing" via happenstance.

However, the timing of the movie, showing that scene, and an incident happening are odd.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by Jakes51
Something seems fishy about the oil spill in the gulf? However, instead of talking about the nefarious circumstances surrounding the event, we must first plug that hole. That situation is an environmental disaster of epic proportions, and we are still unsure about the sheer scope of how bad it is? As many have said, the events leading up the disaster remain shoddy, as well as the ongoing response efforts. I know one thing, and the pictures say everything. There is a hell of a lot of oil being spewed into the gulf. I fear if that gunk is not cleaned up we may have a dead zone on our hands for generations to come?

I agree that the hole must be plugged and soon before it kills many more animals.

You would think the corporation would have had a contingency plan or two up its sleeve.

I think in contingencies at all times based upon my experiences throughout my life.

If this happens, then I will do this, based upon available resources.

Having never worked in the oil industry nor having resources I can only speculate.

Originally posted by Jakes51
I would love to know all the facts about how and why this disaster happened. However, at present, we have a disaster of epic proportions to contend with. That is the most important issue. After this problem is hopefully resolved, then we can decide who to point the finger at, who hid what, who to bill, and whom to sue. That is how I feel about the whole thing, and I am very concerned!

I believe this will remain a mystery, except to us, because they are quite clearly hiding information from the public-at-large, and fully intend on keeping them in the dark.

I do know this though through knowledge of the political machine and Washington D.C.

Considering that Sarah Palin was all for drilling out in coastal waters her shot at running for the White House is all but sunk deeper than the oil rig and life in the Gulf.

Palin's 'Drill Baby Drill' Vs. Oil Spill


No one in their right mind would support her for the Presidency after Drill Baby Drill now.

And is this another potential reason for the event to have happened?

As a political career assassination towards the Republican Party?

I'm not a Democrat nor a Republican, but a registered Independent.

Originally posted by Jakes51
Oh yeah, that clip from the film "Knowing," is very creepy, and so are the other instances of what seems to be hinting at future disasters in Hollywood films. The phenomenon seems very odd, and could be considered a conspiracy. This recent coincident from the film "Knowing," is so uncanny, it's frightening! The very month and day of when the disaster we are experiencing begun, and under identical circumstances. I have my questions about what is going on down in the Gulf of Mexico, but I am more concerned with how they are going to stop that geyser from spewing all that poison into the ocean, and poisoning the sea, halting the fishing industry, and tainting the beaches.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by Jakes51]

Yes, there is far too many pro-hysterical "End of the World" scenario movies lately.

All of this makes me think of the Report from Iron Mountain.

Whether anyone believes in it, or believe it is a hoax, or discredited real plans, the fact that it has eerily similar outlines for forcing funding through cataclysmic events is uncanny, and exceptionally it looks as if it was all pre-planned.

The Report from Iron Mountain : Truth, Cover-Up, Or Manipulation of the Masses?

The fact that this could be not only ecological blackmail but financial blackmail has not been ruled out, and that makes this a scam of the largest scale.

Originally posted by PammyK
It's a freaking nightmare that we can't wake up from. You try to put it in the back of your mind while you are going about your day thinking, surely to GOD they will have it fixed soon......

Unfortunately, you are correct, but those in power do not worship your "God".

They worship their "G.O.D."

That would be Guns, Oil, and Drugs and anything that gets them more.

More guns, means more money, more laws, and more wars.

More oil, means more drilling, more money, more side-stepping laws.

More drugs, means more funding to fight it, more laws to prohibit it, and more criminal actions.

reply to post by dfens


The problem is of course that their "investigations" are usually hampered.

By and or because of the nature of the corporations being investigated.

This is because not only do they not want their dirty secrets revealed but they want to maintain complete control of how it is released to the public so as to benefit them.

As you stated, whether financial or political, they are seeking how to exploit this situation.

The people like these who would do anything for power make me want to puke.

I understand the nature of power, yet, I have always been rather ambivalent to power.

Take it or leave it, power is just another control mechanism, not necessarily a good thing.

*Update*

Quote from : Oil spill to shut down 19 percent of Gulf fishing


May 18, 2:38 PM (ET)

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Federal officials say they're expanding the area of the Gulf of Mexico where fishing is shut down because of a massive oil spill.

They had already shut down fishing from the Mississippi River to the Florida Panhandle soon after an offshore oil rig exploded and sank last month.

About 7 percent of federal waters were affected.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Tuesday that it's expanding the closed area, though it won't say exactly where until later in the day.

Nearly 46,000 square miles, or about 19 percent of federal waters, will be shut under the expanded ban.

Dr. Jane Lubchenco of NOAA says the government will be testing fish that is caught to make sure it's safe.

That's massive amount of square miles to be banned from fishing.

Here is an article directly from N.O.A.A. about Dr Jane Lubcheco.

I think this is going to push our country into a further state of crisis.

Here's an interesting video speaking of Governor Schwarzenegger's stance on oil.

Gulf Coast Oil Spill Halts Calif. Coast Drilling


Seems he knows better than risk his already failing economy further.

with the oil in the gulf is gas at 3000 to 1
the big one is methane!!!

Methane
A hydrocarbon that is a greenhouse gas with a global warming potential most recently estimated at 23+ times that of carbon dioxide (CO 2 ).

in the atmosphere it will stay for up to 8 years.
lucky I dont think a lot will get that high.

I hope they add this to america and BPs carbon foot print.
let them pay carbon tax on this one.


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I have stated in another thread that the simple solution would be along the lines of passing legislation against beach polution, with extremely heavy fines for any petroleum based products washes up on shore. That would be a way for the Gulf states to recoup some of their economy. Also, its not like you change your oil in your vehicle and dump it out on the beach. That is just flatout rude.

This could be an economic windfall for gulfcoast states if they play it right. All states effectively raped the tobacco industry, isn't it time for the oil industry to fess up? The problem with that is that we will all pay for it in the form of higher gas prices, even though it was merely an exploratory drill.

I think people should advocate freemarket strategy, and buy from companies that don't let their pollution destroy our gulf states way of life.

reply to post by dfens


No need. Anyone that causes damage to another, can be sued to recoup damages.

This includes communities. No need for more regulation. Just use the standard damages lawsuit.

reply to post by Animal


I think perhaps you might be considering I was speaking of conspiracy theorists.

As in tricking us into trusting Government.

I was not specifying people within the conspiracy theory genre.

But of the people who believe, rather ignorantly, in the benevolence of Government.

Government, is a group of people, with an agenda, while some may be benevolent, the whole is compromised by those who are not benevolent.

And through that being compromised we are sold out by those seeking power via any means necessary, those people who would sell out.

Politics is not unfortunately about having ethics it is about having no ethics.

Being apolitical and pretending to have ethics, morals, and scruples.

By those principles, the politicians can lie straight-faced, and fake ethics.

All they honestly give a damn about, is just like the corporations, their bottom line.

The profit margins and the losses and how to keep profits high and losses low.

The same goes for the Gulf of Mexico and BP in that they are trying to figure out how to profit off of this disaster, which will not work this time.

No one ever bought that Exxon gave a damn about the Valdez spill.

Just as no one will buy BP gives a damn about this spill, except their profit margins.

Originally posted by peggy m
Now we are on the same page.

I do not believe we were ever not on the same page.

Possibly reading different parts.

And quite possibly interpreting differently based upon our perceptions.

Originally posted by peggy m
The laws I am predicting are the ones excuses corporations from being at fault while at the same time forcing taxpayers to foot the bills and forcing consumers into other areas of commerce.

Unfortunately, I believe you are correct, however I find that sad.

Once a corporation screws up this big and does nothing within the first 12 hours, their future as a corporation should be held into accountability.

Meaning, they might not have the right to continue being in business, because they ignored corporate protocols and Government accountability.

But, the same measure should be in effect for Government, in regards to the people.

The moment a politician forgets those campaign promises there should be another vote, and toss them out on their sorry butts, immediately.

Originally posted by peggy m
I had a conversation with my mother the other day that was so hilarious, I have to share it with you. I stated that I will no longer pay for gasoline in protest of this oil disaster. She said she agrees and is going to do the same thing. I then made the offer of exchanging keys to our vehicles and she told me that she couldn't because she needed her car to run errands, get groceries, go to church, go shopping, etc. Okay, how is that boycotting the oil companies? Her response was that she can't totally give up her car because some oil company screwed up.

I laughed at that but at the same time I find it sad.

This is why I have zero brand loyalty to gasoline corpoations and or oil.

I buy the cheapest I can get and BP was never on my list of cheap gasolines.

Originally posted by peggy m
There you have it. Total justified acceptance of what is to come. New laws, higher taxes, and a dead Gulf Sea. But she is confident that the government wil at least take care of her generation because they already paid their dues. But mom, it's your grandchild's generation that has to clean up the messes and pay your way and how are they going to do that if they can't work or start a business? She said that I have been listening to those conspiracy people too much!

I do not think you have been listening to "conspiracy people" too much.

Forgive me, but I think your mom, no disrespect meant, has had her head buried in the sand for far too long, and needs to come up for air soon.

But that is the majority of America, those who do not dig further than the TV remote.

The "I want someone else to solve it" apathy has sunk in and cemented their lazy buttocks to the couch in the hopes that someone else will change.

This is why I read as much as I do, not just because I have an overwhelming thirst for knowledge, but so that I am never caught off guard politically.

And the oil industry is by large a part of politics because it reaches internationally.

Not just domestically at the gas pump but overseas with all countries.

The import/export business as far as oil and gasoline is concerned is a dirty business.

Cut-throat, back-stabbing, and undermining competition, it is like watching Congress.

Or a circus and the clown car and all of the clowns exiting a tiny car.

reply to post by andy1033


That would be the Federal Government stepping in though with the Navy.

BP should be handling it and cleaning it all up.

They should have had a contingency plan, or two, or three in place.

I know if I had an oil corporation I would have many many contingency plans.

Then again, I'm a responsible individual, most corporations are not.

reply to post by lardo5150


Thanks for finding those links for me.

Are you referring to how everyone else posts their links?

As in to have a full name on them?

If that's what you mean go to this thread and check it all out.

A Guide to BBCode on ATS, page 1

reply to post by buddha


The problem with this is no matter if they are taxed on it they will profit.

Being taxed means a write-off on their taxes.

Something should be done to keep them from making any sort of profit off this mess.

reply to post by Komodo


Yep you got this right and if I were a mod I'de give you a hundred stars just for this post!

reply to post by xSeraphim


1) I have a cell phone but have not needed to use it in 2-1/2 years. I use it only for emergencies.

2) Our car (1) is a ten year old Saturn. We refuse to buy a SUV.

3) No I would not like to live in a cave but we - my family conserve more than the average American Family.

We, my family tries to live frugally. We are not excess. We live very frugal and donate time and money to less fortunate.

My husband has to have a huge mamoth tv. I could live with only a pc and books. I very rarely watch tv. Very rarely.

I give money and time to helping others less fortunate, simply because I belive it is the right thing to do. Working in a soup kitchen and homeless shelter makes me feel productive.

Do you?


[edit on 19-5-2010 by ofhumandescent]

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by xSeraphim


Going a bit farther with what you said, ofhumandescent, I am living out of my car.

I have not had a cell phone in more than 6 months, pay phones suck.

And the library is where I go to post on ATS with their computers or Wi-Fi.

I volunteer as an adult Scout leader as well as many other people I know.

And I am barely able to pay the car insurance let alone gasoline to get to work.

The economy is making everyone give up things but I was never someone to waste things prior to this crappy economy, I worked 2, 3, and 4 jobs and earned everything.

I rewarded myself based upon goals achieved.

I commend you for your efforts.

It seems xSeraphim is trying to claim and or imply people are hypocrites.

When people have nothing to say about the actual conversation they always attack the messenger.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Directly from BP PLC's mouth on their filing to the Security and Exchange Commission.

Quote from : UPDATE ON GULF OF MEXICO OIL SPILL RESPONSE : May 18, 2010

BP today provided an update on developments in the response to the MC252 oil well incident in the Gulf of Mexico.

Subsea Source Control and Containment

Subsea efforts continue to focus on progressing options to stop the flow of oil from the well through interventions via the blow out preventer (BOP), and to collect the flow of oil from the leak points. These efforts are being carried out in conjunction with governmental authorities and other industry experts.

The riser insertion tube tool (RITT) containment system that was put into place in the end of the leaking riser is operational. It is estimated to be collecting and carrying about 2,000 barrels a day (b/d) of oil to flow up to the drillship Discoverer Enterprise on the surface 5,000 feet above. Produced oil is being stored on the drillship while produced gas is being flared.

It is expected that it will take some time to increase the flow through the system and maximise the proportion of oil and gas flowing through the broken riser that will be captured and transported to the drillship.

This remains a new technology and both its continued operation and its effectiveness in capturing the oil and gas remain uncertain. Other containment options continue to be progressed.

BP also continues to develop options to shut off the flow of oil from the well through interventions via the failed BOP.

Plans continue to develop a so called "top kill" operation where heavy drilling fluids are injected into the well to stem the flow of oil and gas, followed by cement to seal the well. Most of the equipment is on site and preparations continue for this operation, with a view to deployment in the next week or so. Options have also been developed to potentially combine this with the injection under pressure of a variety of materials into the BOP to seal off upward flow.

Work on the first relief well, which began on May 2, continues. The DDII drilling rig began drilling the second relief well on May 16. Each of these wells is estimated to take some three months to complete from the commencement of drilling.

This is almost a month ago this information was available.

U.S.A PULLS OUT THE BIG GUNS ON BP. KEVIN COSTNER, AND HIS INVENTION. Bp bought 32 machines for the cleanup of the oil spill. Kevin says it is 99 percent accurate for pulling out the oil from the water. The news was on today and KEVIN COSTNER says he can clean it up. FOX NEWS.