The Gulf of B.P. Oil Disaster : A National Emergency Situation and Smoke On the Water

reply to post by Wolfenz


So, what you're suggesting, is a pre-arranged message, embedded within movies?

As in a hidden message for a "sleeper or ghost terror cell"?

Believe it or not that's not as far-fetched as you might believe.

Subliminal messaging would be the way to do it without being caught.

Loved the movie "The Long Kiss Good Night" by the way.

It was what made me think of 9/11 being a Covert Intelligence Fundraiser.

Possibly this is the same thing from a different agency?

reply to post by peggy m


I agree with you about the premise of it being criminal negligence and criminal malfeasance.

It is how the oil industry works, thinking reactively, instead of proactively.

When it comes to the profit margins, everything else is secondary, even saving the wildlife.

This is just the way any corporate bureaucracy works, for each and every organization, no matter how high the risk, the profit margin and investors are what is thought of first, because of the all-mighty dollar and black gold down in the ground.

However, there are far more details being hidden, meanwhile the oil is gushing out.

The reason for my suggestions throughout this thread of a conspiracy is because the oil "accident" is the perfect place where these corporate raiders will use it as a smoke screen for other actions, and whether the accident was an actual accident, or sabotage, we as citizens need to watch out for our interests.

Think of the oil itself, as a smoke screen, and the water as the body of laws, and the oil clouding what the body of laws are currently, and how they are changed through not only the clean-up but of the cover-up of the guilt, blame, and costs.

Like you stated, the consumers and taxpayers are two different groups, and most likely though both will have to pay for this, one through our wallets at the pumps, and the others as the tax money is siphoned out of the Treasury like the oil being siphoned out of the seas, as a means to rob the proverbial piggy bank.

One side of the coin, or the other, people forget the third serrated edge, which cuts like a knife, and slits our collective throats, like an assassin in the night.

What laws will be new and how exactly will they affect us in the near and far future?

I see a Congressional mandate coming forcing us to purchase hybrid cars to "save the environment".

Of course, I've been watching that a long time now, and I'm just waiting for it to happen.

New to these forums, just thought it interesting that I once read about pirates in the 18th/19th Century, pouring oil or an oily liquid off shores to prevent hurricanes. Funnily I can't find any mention of it online today though.

Originally posted by lardo5150
I think an important question to add is why was SWAT teams sent out to other rigs?

I believe a rig surivivor was on 60 minutes this weekend, did anyone catch that? I did not obviously.

I believe in the earlier days of this spill, there was talk on the board of a terrorist attack or something like that. Even mention of a submarine torpedo. I need to find those threads, but no one since has talked much about any of these.

See if you can find those other threads and or news sources, please.

I find it odd that S.W.A.T., or Special Weapons and Tactics would be sent to secure an oil rig.

Quote from : Wikipedia : S.W.A.T.

A SWAT (special weapons and tactics) team is an elite paramilitary tactical unit in American law enforcement departments.

They are trained to perform high-risk operations that fall outside of the abilities of regular officers.

Their duties include performing hostage rescues and counter-terrorism operations, serving high risk arrest and search warrants, subduing barricaded suspects, and engaging heavily-armed criminals.

A SWAT team is often equipped with specialized firearms including assault rifles, submachine guns, shotguns, carbines, riot control agents, stun grenades, and high-powered rifles for snipers.

They have specialized equipment including heavy body armor, entry tools, armored vehicles, advanced night vision optics, and motion detectors for covertly determining the positions of hostages or hostage takers inside of an enclosed structure.

The first SWAT team was established in the Los Angeles Police Department in 1968.

Since then, many American and Canadian police departments, especially in major cities and at the federal and state-levels of government, have established their own elite units under various names; these units, regardless of their official name, are referred to collectively as SWAT teams in colloquial usage.

If S.W.A.T. was sent, not saying that they weren't, but not having seen confirmation I am saying if, then this means there was reasonable suspicion of sabotage.

And that they felt they might need to take the oil rig by force.

Which leads to more and more curious questions I have now.

reply to post by apacheman


Sounds like not only a half-measure to secure their oil but pretty much ignoring the problem.

Their concern is more about securing their precious oil than to stop the leak.

Typical corporate idiots if you ask me because they are doing nothing worthwhile.

While I certainly understand they have tried, that they did not have at least five different contingency plans in place in case of disaster, amazes me to no end.

What they need to do is stop the oil flow completely whether it keeps them from ever opening that drill-site ever again without further damaging the environment.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

I agree with so much of what you are saying and sounds a lot to me like Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" as far as disaster capitalism goes, they create the disasters and position themselves to profit from the cleanup or remedy and who knows what else is going on. The way things work they profit no matter what happens and while oil prices have been falling this week you can't believe it's any indication of anything other than a troubled and failing global economy...prices in the US will probably go up just a bit for Memorial Day weekend. They hold all the cards and BP is not letting outside observers in so I too suspect all kinds of malfeasance.

I'm both furious and in grief. Will the president or Congress please get as furious as I am? Whoever both creates these disasters and profits from them - I have an everlasting contempt and fury towards you....if it turns out to be an environmentalist saboteur, I would have equal contempt and fury for them.

I wish we knew more about the Venezuelan rig accident. Does anyone have any good links for info on that.

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[edit on 17-5-2010 by ChrisCrikey]

reply to post by ChrisCrikey


I agree with you about this being infuriating to say the least.

It is our environment being screwed up, whether on purpose, or an accident.

And the profit margins are what they care about more than the damage.

Here are a few sites speaking of the Venezuelan incident :

Quote from : Rig Sinks Off the Venezuelan Coast

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez announced that a natural gas drilling rig sank in the Caribbean Sea off the coast of Venezuela Thursday.

All 95 workers have been evacuated from the Aban Pearl platform, according to multiple reports, and the Venezuelan oil and energy minister said that the sunken rig does not pose an environmental threat.

But others seem to think it's too early to make that call.

The New York Times reports:

James Opaluch, a professor of natural resource economics at the University of Rhode Island, said he would need more information before being able to gauge the possible impact of the sinking on the surrounding waters.

He did say that accidents involving natural gas rigs generally pose less of an environmental threat than oil rigs since natural gas rises to the atmosphere while oil can float on water.

Chavez broke the news from his Twitter account.

Apparently Chavez has taken quite a liking to the social networking site, responding to questions from other Twitter users as well as spreading pro-socialism messages.

...bolding is mine and here's more...

Quote from : Venezuela Offshore Rig Sinks

LIMA, Peru — An offshore natural gas exploration rig leased to Venezuela’s national oil company sank off the coast of northeastern Venezuela and forced the authorities to evacuate all 95 of its workers, President Hugo Chávez announced early Thursday.

It was unclear if the sinking posed an environmental risk.

In an attempt to calm nerves after the explosion of an offshore drilling rig last month in the Gulf of Mexico, Venezuelan energy officials said that there would be no harm since security mechanisms were quickly put in place to stop any leaking.

The cause of the sinking was unclear.

Mr. Chávez, who made the initial announcement about the sunken rig via his account on Twitter, also said that two Venezuelan Navy patrols were sent to the waters near the rig, which is owned by a subsidiary of Aban Offshore, India’s largest oil rig company.

It is not as if our economy was not already beaten like cauliflower-eared boxer, but with this disaster happening, our economy will never recover, not in the near future.

I don't think it was really that big of a deal.
I think it was a nice distraction from the very near complete economic collapse of Europe actually.

The oil being spewed into the gulf is not the same as Alaska, alaska's oil was dark, heavy and dirty. That typical pitch black oil that covers everything it touches. When the accident first started I remember a guy on CNN sitting on shore with a bucket of oil "he collected from the gulf" with a spoon, showing it to the camera. Looked like engine oil. lol. It was amazing, considering oil had still been hundreds of miles from shore. It's a sham.

The oil in the gulf is red.. it's "light sweet crude" .. the best kind of oil to find because it has less impurities, less dirty, it's lighter and more efficient. When the oil reaches the top of the sea, the majority, because it's so light, will evaporate due to the suns rays. Sweet crude also appears naturally in the ocean form time to time, and there are microbes that actually live in the sea naturally that eat it .. which is whats happening in the gulf.

So we see these very thin sheens of oil far out to sea, no where near the main land, and we can only deduce that by the time it's getting near land it's naturally dissipating, naturally being eaten, naturally breaking down. Oil breaks down in the sea rather fast, it's only when it gets lodged into rocks and crevasses on shore that it creates the havoc we usually think of, but then again usually it's that thick black crude that get's spilt.

We are being lied to. Instead of 200,000gallons a day, the flow is estimated to be near 11 million BARRELS a day.

The people that have been sitting on the technology that could have eliminated the need for fossil fuels need to be found and dealt with severely. The greedy B&*&^rds may have killed us all with their greed.

The following is an excerpt from an article about the spill

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration`s Emergency Response document, which is exactly what it sounds like, is dated April 28th and claims the scope of the spill is far worse than the public is aware of. (secret document that someone leaked)
The words "Extinction Level Event" have been used in recent articles to describe what we are facing. To scientists that means a whole lot. To the rest of us it is just a bunch of pretty words. Cue the part in the movie where the entire crazy disaster is broken down using a familiar metaphor that even the dumbest of the population can understand.

Imagine you`re having a party and buy a keg of beer. Some joker decides to pour a quart of motor oil into the keg. Now imagine that party is the people of the Earth and the keg of beer is our water supply. The joker, of course, would be BP. How long before the party is over?

Extinction Level Event, folks. On par with the meteor that took out the dinosaurs. That is what some say we are facing at this very moment. The end of life as we know it, a full two years before the whole crazy 2012 movement expected.

And that, good readers of the Internet, is how the story of our grand civilization could end. Instead of a nuclear war or rogue meteor, we could be smothered in the very thing that our greed led us to believe we couldn`t get enough of. Or maybe this is all sensationalism. A conspiracy of a few random journalists with absolutely nothing in common created to scare the masses.

Time will tell, but as of now, it is not looking very good for the latter explanation.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I don't think it was really that big of a deal.
I think it was a nice distraction from the very near complete economic collapse of Europe actually.

Well, I have a feeling a lot of people will disagree with you, myself included.

Personally, I do not believe many American's are all that concerned over Europe, and Greece, specifically, and the European Union's failure.

Most American's are concerned right now with their own financial statuses.

And whether it is a distraction, or not, it is a Hell of a way to distract people.

Our national interests are being hurt in too many ways right now.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
The oil being spewed into the gulf is not the same as Alaska, alaska's oil was dark, heavy and dirty. That typical pitch black oil that covers everything it touches. When the accident first started I remember a guy on CNN sitting on shore with a bucket of oil "he collected from the gulf" with a spoon, showing it to the camera. Looked like engine oil. lol. It was amazing, considering oil had still been hundreds of miles from shore. It's a sham.

So, what you're suggesting, is the C.N.N. reporter and camera man did was pour motor oil, in a bucket, to segue into their news piece and claimed it was oil from the accident?

Not surprising the news would do something cheap and meaningless for a "news worthy story".

The oil in the Exxon Valdez disaster was damaging, just as much as this damaging.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
The oil in the gulf is red.. it's "light sweet crude" .. the best kind of oil to find because it has less impurities, less dirty, it's lighter and more efficient. When the oil reaches the top of the sea, the majority, because it's so light, will evaporate due to the suns rays. Sweet crude also appears naturally in the ocean form time to time, and there are microbes that actually live in the sea naturally that eat it .. which is whats happening in the gulf.

Do you have any evidence to back up your ascertions?

Anyone who has seen oil, or gasoline on sea water, knows it does not evaporate.

At least not that easily.

And the news stories are suggesting, as well as various other sources, that this is not just a small amount, it is immense and major amounts.

How many marina's have you been to and seen oily water?

I have been to far too many to count in my lifetime and the shiny sheen always fascinated me, knowing it was caused because of polution made it less fascinating, and more infuriating, because of leaks from boats.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
So we see these very thin sheens of oil far out to sea, no where near the main land, and we can only deduce that by the time it's getting near land it's naturally dissipating, naturally being eaten, naturally breaking down. Oil breaks down in the sea rather fast, it's only when it gets lodged into rocks and crevasses on shore that it creates the havoc we usually think of, but then again usually it's that thick black crude that get's spilt.

I can concur, to a small extent, with your logic, but over all I know we're not going to agree completely, the sea life between the time the oil flows out and it disipating will also disagree but I guess we will have to wait to find out how many animal bodies wash up to those shores dead to find out.

reply to post by expat2368


I agree we're being lied to considering we always are being lied to.

What source is your quote from, please?

Just wanting to read the whole article as I am sure others are too.

Jay Weidner on Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Disaster 1/4


Jay Weidner on Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Disaster 2/4


Jay Weidner on Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Disaster 3/4


Jay Weidner on Gulf of Mexico Oil Spill Disaster 4/4


I have never heard of Jay Weidner but found the videos (audio track) interesting.

More information to follow I'm sure in the near future.

Let us hope they plug the damn leak instead of pointing fingers.

[edit on 17-5-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

in regards to the clip from the movie Knowing.. the most disturbing part I find is that the movie was released 3/20/2009 and the oil rig explosion happened 4/20/2010/ EXACTLY 13 MONTH DIFFERENCE. the number 13 is clearly showing this was done on purpose, especially with other numerous terrible situations occurring on or around 4/19. They are purposely doing these horrible acts.

Something seems fishy about the oil spill in the gulf? However, instead of talking about the nefarious circumstances surrounding the event, we must first plug that hole. That situation is an environmental disaster of epic proportions, and we are still unsure about the sheer scope of how bad it is? As many have said, the events leading up the disaster remain shoddy, as well as the ongoing response efforts. I know one thing, and the pictures say everything. There is a hell of a lot of oil being spewed into the gulf. I fear if that gunk is not cleaned up we may have a dead zone on our hands for generations to come?

I would love to know all the facts about how and why this disaster happened. However, at present, we have a disaster of epic proportions to contend with. That is the most important issue. After this problem is hopefully resolved, then we can decide who to point the finger at, who hid what, who to bill, and whom to sue. That is how I feel about the whole thing, and I am very concerned!

Oh yeah, that clip from the film "Knowing," is very creepy, and so are the other instances of what seems to be hinting at future disasters in Hollywood films. The phenomenon seems very odd, and could be considered a conspiracy. This recent coincident from the film "Knowing," is so uncanny, it's frightening! The very month and day of when the disaster we are experiencing begun, and under identical circumstances. I have my questions about what is going on down in the Gulf of Mexico, but I am more concerned with how they are going to stop that geyser from spewing all that poison into the ocean, and poisoning the sea, halting the fishing industry, and tainting the beaches.

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It's a freaking nightmare that we can't wake up from. You try to put it in the back of your mind while you are going about your day thinking, surely to GOD they will have it fixed soon......

Good thread and good replies. This story is so ripe for conspiracy that so many are emerging and the obvious connections are probably 75% true. Just the gut feeling.

Just like many posters have written, the small fries will be left holding the bag, one way or the other. I think, like has been posted in this thread, that the knuckledragging is due to think-tanking the best possible way to exploit this fine mess for capital, be it political or financial.

You know, we are inundated with TV and MSM that portray our gov investigators as the cream of the crop that can find the truth against all odds. Yet with these major disasters, and others..., they know nothing and evidence won't see the day of light. So, of course, theories will abound and they just leave it at that. Keep em guessing, and never reveal the truth.

Nobody has mentioned that 4/20 is Hitler's birthday yet. Its interesting. 4/19 and 4/20 have significant acts of mayhem. Moon cycles or rituals maybe?

The timing, combined with the characters involved, with not much of an interest for the MSM to cover, and the fact that fastbreak PR is doing a fullcourt press, pretty much says it all.

Anyways, this story is a major development that needs much more scrutiny at all levels. Plus lots more exposure. I think damage control are really earning their money nowadays. They're probably treating everyone as the potential fallguy, and everyone is paranoid. Just imagine the bullying and blaming going on on the inside of these organizations, and how they are able to buy stalls and runarounds from our electeds.

I would love for their efforts to be true, but its pretty much the smoke up the proverbial orifice.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas

But what if these events are all unfolding now as a means towards terrifying us into trusting Government?

I am not picking on any specific political party nor politicians but the entirety of Government.

The propaganda is getting deep considering we have so many events happening lately.

[edit on 16-5-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

First off I respect the fact you present this as 'conspiracy theory' it does a lot to ameliorate the threads impact on my often fragile humors.

I really do not see much of any thing to any of what you have presented. In fact I feel like you are reaching pretty dramatically in what you have brought to the table. The cherry on the cake for me what this last bit. . .'a false flag operation to trick us into trusting the government'. . .which is to me SO funny - and a bit disturbing. How could this be a play to make us trust them? After all this spill is equally their responsibility - it is the government that has been letting corporations rape our natural resources and do so without ANY appropriate oversight. This disaster is nothing more than positive proof that the US government is a complicit member of the elite bank-corporation-political iron triangle.

Obama can huff and puff all he likes, it wont change the fact he is in bed with the banks and corporations just like every president before him. The change we have been given is all superficial BS - the rich continue to get richer - and the poor - well they get oil spills in their back yard.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Good thread Spartan as usual.

I agree with everything, except for your Iraninan " Death To Israel" video.

That was mistranslanted, but that's a whole other thread.

In any case, I do think this disaster is somewhat more sinister than an "accident".

Some of my thoughts covered in this thread:

You Think BP Wants To Fix The Spill? Your Crazy!

Missing data, no response, lax media coverage and not so clear details are all clues of a cover up.

A cover up would suggest some nefarious means to an end. A false sense of security when th Gov steps up and takes control?

Or a means to all of the suddent jack up oil prices as OPEC realizes how much oil is being spilled?

Anything is possible. I do agree it's strange that we've heard nothing of the missing people's families, seen a funeral for the dead or heard anything from the international stage.

This is an international crisis IMO, it willl affect EVERYBODY in the Gulf of Mexico and beyond.

~Keeper

[edit on 5/16/2010 by tothetenthpower]

The earth grows which is why Volcano's, Earthquakes and the like happen. When too much pressure builds up, just like a ballon the surface stretchs as it expands, but a ballon can only blow up so far before everyone starts "Knowing".

When the "baby Boom" happened, as the earth grows with it's population, all those tests along the atolls and deserts were done to prevent the earth from going through another growth spurt too fast. That's how everything almost died in the last great spurt before the vast oceans were in place.

Everything used to be a lot closer together. Think of the pyramids around the world as kind of thumb tacks in a way or better yet...Magnets on a refrigerator that hold up all of our pretty pictures we painted in class.

Everything is pressure from getting good grades to grading land, from peer to pure everything is under pressure. Even nuclear power isn't nuclear, it's steam under pressure.

Time is short and they can't hold this off....7 billion is right around the corner. It's almost birthday, only this is a candle no one can blow out but the sun.

Knowing....who would of known.

Peace

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


Not too sure what your post adds, other than the claim for depopulation.

I fully think that the Mother Earth is capable of rinsing herself clean. If there is a true god on this planet, Earth would be the best candidate.

You may be right though. If 'natural' disasters occur and wipe us all out. Its probably our fault. 4 billion years vs. 100 years. who do you think is going to survive. We might just be the complete cancer on the world. Some being more potent than others. Fodder for thought.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by peggy m

 

What laws will be new and how exactly will they affect us in the near and far future?

I see a Congressional mandate coming forcing us to purchase hybrid cars to "save the environment".

Now we are on the same page.

The laws I am predicting are the ones excuses corporations from being at fault while at the same time forcing taxpayers to foot the bills and forcing consumers into other areas of commerce.

I had a conversation with my mother the other day that was so hilarious, I have to share it with you. I stated that I will no longer pay for gasoline in protest of this oil disaster. She said she agrees and is going to do the same thing. I then made the offer of exchanging keys to our vehicles and she told me that she couldn't because she needed her car to run errands, get groceries, go to church, go shopping, etc. Okay, how is that boycotting the oil companies? Her response was that she can't totally give up her car because some oil company screwed up.

There you have it. Total justified acceptance of what is to come. New laws, higher taxes, and a dead Gulf Sea. But she is confident that the government wil at least take care of her generation because they already paid their dues. But mom, it's your grandchild's generation that has to clean up the messes and pay your way and how are they going to do that if they can't work or start a business? She said that I have been listening to those conspiracy people too much!

So many of these posts remind me of my mother's reasoning. It isn't possible for a corporation to shave a few bucks on materials and safety...it has to be a terrorist.

It was a mistake on the part of BP and now they don't know how to fix it. The government does not know how to fix it. The people don't know how to fix it. Why are we discussing it when we all know that we don't know how to fix it but we can stop it? Inconvenience is not a good excuse!