God's Fingerprint On Creation Found!

Originally posted by malcr
Oh please! Just because the universe follows a pattern is not an indicator of a creator. It is an indication of something very interesting for us to discover. Like all things through time man (in his ignorance) invents a god for that which he doesn't understand. Some of us are willing to admit "we don't know yet.....but we will eventually".

God(s) are for the ignorant and those who fear death.

EVerything that is here - is here......think about it - its really spooooooky- there must be a god...FS

Originally posted by novastrike81

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
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Contradictory much?

I'm not claiming there is no "prime mover".

post by traditionaldrummer

You linked me to the wrong post apparently.

try again

Click the top link in his post not the bottom one.

Try again.

Sorry, folks. My claim that nobody wrote the laws of physics is NOT me claiming there is no "prime mover" (whatever that is).

Nice try though

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Just as I suspected. There is no evidence to support your claim that the solar system was somehow designed and not, in fact, the result of natural laws of physics. Don't worry, I won't ask you anymore.

As I've already said, several times now, and which you have consistently ignored, once you have demonstrated an ability to comprehend the basics, we can get on to more complex questions and answers.

Also, since we seem to be endlessly repeating things, I'm still waiting for basic evidence to support your initial assertion. You have already established that we have no rights to demand proof of counter-claims until the initial claim is supported.

To be honest, I really think you incapable of producing support for your initial assertion. Until you can, you'll not be able to understand any support for a more complex assertion.

The Fibonacci sequence doesn't prove the existence of God.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Just as I suspected. There is no evidence to support your claim that the solar system was somehow designed and not, in fact, the result of natural laws of physics. Don't worry, I won't ask you anymore.

As I've already said, several times now, and which you have consistently ignored, once you have demonstrated an ability to comprehend the basics, we can get on to more complex questions and answers.

Also, since we seem to be endlessly repeating things, I'm still waiting for basic evidence to support your initial assertion. You have already established that we have no rights to demand proof of counter-claims until the initial claim is supported.

To be honest, I really think you incapable of producing support for your initial assertion. Until you can, you'll not be able to understand any support for a more complex assertion.

I made no assertion. I've already told you this. I've simply asked for evidence for unsupported claims. You can't or won't provide it, I'm fine with that.

So in a nutshell numerology and perfect rectangles prove the existance of God ? Sorry but I need something a little more concrete than a virtual "dot to dot" of life.

Also if this is true, then the question remains, which God designed it ?

Originally posted by postmeme
The Fibonacci sequence doesn't prove the existence of God.

No one is saying it proves the existence of God. All that is being said is that it proves the existence of a "designer". Only the OP made such a claim.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by nenothtu

Who wrote the laws of physics? Is that just another of those 'it is because it is' things you just take on faith?

Nobody "wrote the laws of physics".

Ah. So they just 'are because they are'. Unquestioning faith is a wondrous thing, is it not?

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No I didn't. I could provide screenshots as to where the link leads and shows the exact line I cut and pasted. You might be getting your links confused or are just disingeniunely seeking to annoy me with childish tactics. Either way it's obvious it's game over for constructive reasoned conversation. And more importantly not by my actions.

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Despite the fact that numbers WERE created by man and obviously did evolve otherwise cavemen would be doing algebra and lucasian mathmatics a feat which is utterly hilarious to think about but still near impossible.

Nope.

Math sequences existed before man ever walked this earth, that means we did not create it, we only discovered it, just like you discover and new atomic element or a new star we never saw until we had the instruments to see it.
How about physics we sure didn't create them, we discovered how it works and the math behind it, we have so much more to learn & discover that already exists.

How can something that is not alive, like math, evolve?

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No, you are unwilling to accept any argument that works against your existing schemata or bias and thusly will judge any argument thusly. It's easy to do when talking about such topics since it's a rather "big" topic with alot of grey ambigious areas.

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Many Stars & a Flag 4 U.

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Nonsense hm? Any philosophical inquirely that questions your assertions is nonsense? No matter the lack shown? That is telling in and of it's self. You have no logical standpoint for your assertion and at certain points are "talking out of both sides of your mouth" as they say and I show that to the silly untrue response I mislinked my source.


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Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

I made no assertion. I've already told you this. I've simply asked for evidence for unsupported claims. You can't or won't provide it, I'm fine with that.

Fair enough. If you can't even recognize your own assertion, after I pointed it out to you, it's a fair bet that you're not here in search of objective 'truth', or have any willingness to entertain notions that may counter your own pet beliefs.

Thanks for playing, and have a nice life.

Great post / God is the devine.

Don't you just love how Atheists are coming out of cracks like cockroaches determined to prove you or anyone wrong. They will accept no version of truth except for their own. How dare you say there is a god!.

Debate is non-existant. The Atheist suffers from a "closed mind". The bible mentions non-believers as "fools". Atheists live up to this analogy.

Atheists worship man's science. Man's Science has been developed to suit man's ideas. Man sees about 2% of the universe, yet claims to know all about it. What is the other 98% ? (the stuff we can't see) ...dark matter or just something else that "doesn't exist" ?.

Silly Man / Great GOD.

The Truth is known. Don't deny it fools.

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Not all of them do such. It is a generalization *logically falacious* to assume that. Only the ones that place scientism central to the atheism do such things. But that is no more true than saying all Christians act like self righteous, judgemental and intolerant gits.

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Also if this is true, then the question remains, which God designed it ?

An excellent question, one that I hope this video, makes people ponder, and then do their own personal & individual search for.

Spirituality and belief in a creator is not the same as religion.
My grandfather refused to go to church decades ago just after WWII because of the hypocrisy he saw and knew about, but he was a deeply spiritual man.

Religious radicalism & stupidity shouldn't stop a person from having a personal spirituality, or a belief in a grand creator.
I see that driving peoples ideology sometimes, it's a misguided way to look at this issue, because it focuses on man's failings, and not the grand splendor of the creation instead.

Listen, no one knows exactly how we came to be, we can speculate all we want. The idea of God was created thousands of years ago to control and enslave the masses.

Now I'm not saying there isn't something/someone who created us, but I think you all need to tone down on the whole "God" term. If you really think there is an invisible man in the sky who sends you to heaven or hell then I do feel bad for you, because you're being used and abused and forced into fear.

I believe in free will, so I have no problem with anyone believing whatever they want, however organized religion is a joke (IMO) and is used to control people, simple as that.

If we do have a creator of some sort, I would suspect it to be alien in nature. For all we know we're some giant experiment (gone wrong it looks like since all we do is kill one another and ruin the planet).

We need to cherish our lives and nature, and treat people with kindness & love. If you get that information from the bible, so be it, but when it comes down to it, if you look within you will find all the answers you need.

I'm a spiritual person, but not a religious person. I believe we're all connected through one consciousness (which some of you may call "God"). I don't like using the term God however because what comes along when you use that term is usually not how I tend to feel about how things truly work. All I can say to you all is "THINK FOR YOURSELVES"

Don't allow the idea of some person/thing looking over every movement you make and judging you keep you from living your life to the fullest. I hope everyone realizes one day that we are all in charge of our own lives, there is no one setting our paths for us except ourselves. In reality, we create this 'illusion' of what we call life; we are our own gods respectively.

I understand this. I tried to show this to someone athiest but she refused. I kept trying to show, telling her that it is very important, and is life changing. Eh, whatever, that is a great loss that will ruin her life. Great video, I get exactly what this means, god made the sprals. I also understand this by means of something with germs. . .

The universe is indeed a magnificent place. This is why science gives my so much more wonder and spiritual food than any religion ever did.

No, this mathematical pattern does not prove the existence of your anthropomorphized Christian God. But then you are not supposed to need proof. You are supposed to believe whatever you are told. You're not supposed to think.

That is why I freed myself. And it is wonderful. Believing in a god that controls everything is very easy. Taking responsibility for your own life is not.