Brown says he will resign by September

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Well at least I can now, I can blame everything bad that ever happens from tomorrow on the Torries. From tommorrow the financial crisis is The Torries fault.

You will find that we now avoid the jobs tax and so you will have more money in your pocket.

It is undeniable that the financial mess we are in is squarely at the feet of the Labour party.

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Well seeing as i live on disability Living allowance, I can probably expect my income to decrease from a pretty paultry amount anyway. Also I rely heavily on the NHS

Good for business, not good for me and others in a similar situation.

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Originally posted by mclarenmp4
Also how can a conservative government be representative of the country when they only hold 1 seat in Scotland?

There is a reason why there was a hung parliament and it's because anywhere outside of england the conservatives are disliked more than anyone else.

Oh please, give over!

What about the fact England is the only country in the Uk without it's own legislature (we're subservent to the UK parliament)?

What about the fact that labour MP's from Scotland have been happily voting on laws only for England for the past 13 odd years? Including, but not limited too, voting for Tution fees in England then having Uni paid for by the State in Scotland, free prescriptions in Scotland and not England plus the greater per capita spend that gets lavished on Scotland over England.

Take out the Scottish MP's from Westminster and you have a Conservative majority of over a 100 seats!

Don't start with the whole SNP driven whinge of "Oh, what about poor Scotland! We're so unrepresented and oppressed! Boo-hoo! Damn those evil English, they'll eat your baby if your not careful!"

You've never had it so good, but feel free to go independant. Had you been before the "global economic crisis" hit, then you would have gone under. The RBS and HBOS bailout's were larger than the Scottish GDP by a large margin.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Well seeing as i live on disability Living allowance, I can probably expect my income to decrease from a pretty paultry amount anyway. Also I rely heavily on the NHS

Good for business, not good for me and others in a similar situation.

Actually you are likely to see it rise, as the amount of people wrongfully claiming bennefit is reduced.

Those that need the money will get it.

Those that are taking the p**s will have to go and find a job...

As it should be.

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


Bollocks!

More money in your pocket, if you are lucky enough to work!
The Tories are going to be making thousands, possibly millions unemployed!

And as for it all being Labour's fault that is complete nonsense.

It is a GLOBAL recession, are you saying that it is Brown's fault the whole world's economy is screwed?

Brown had to make some hard decisions; some were right, some were wrong.

He certainly pissed me off with his bailing the banks out, but hey, guess what, The Conservatives didn't really criticise him for that, because they would have done the same.

Some people consider Brown an economic genius, some people consider him an incompetent buffoon....I suspect the truth is, as usual, somewhere in between.

And I find it interesting that you fail to mention the house pricing crisis that has cost thousands of everyday people to lose their houses and investments whilst literally millions other suffer great hardships just to meet their mortgage payments.

This was a direct result of Thatcher and her policy of selling council houses off for next to nothing then not allowing councils to build anymore.
This forced people who would normally have got council housing into buying private houses before they could afford it and house prices rocketed.
But then the recession, and guess what...it all went tits up thanks to the wonderful Margaret and her cronies.

And what about all utilities in the UK now being foreign owned?
All the gas, electric and water companies etc are foreign owned.
Whatever profit they make get's sucked out of the country instead of being re-invested in this country.

Oh, I could go on for ages but I would only succeed in getting myself angry.

Yeah, Labour had 13years to put things right and they failed miserably, but to blame it all on them is naive at best, ignorant at worst.

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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Bollocks!

More money in your pocket, if you are lucky enough to work!
The Tories are going to be making thousands, possibly millions unemployed!

They are looking at recruitment freezes in government not activly reducing staff.

The Jobs tax will be scrapped meaning it more possible for companies to emply.

How is that making millions redundant?

Korg.

reply to post by Korg Trinity


The Tories wil make massive cuts in goverment run agencies etc, jobs that are filled by British people.

They are committed to reducing government expenditure.

They have little interest other than maintaining and hopefully increasing profit margins for the elite.

Do you remember the 80's...Thatcher's glory years?
When the pursuit of money, at any cost, regardless of who got hurt or tread on in the process, was the only concern of government.

Cameron has one thing in mind, the furtherment of The Rotschilds agenda.

Don't get me wrong, Labour are not the answer and had long enough to right so many of The Tories wrong's...but do not buy into the lie that is Cameron and The Conservative party.

What we need is stability here.... people with a brain who can see what is happening here and what could potentially happen over the next 5 to 10 years!

Certainly Taxes and House Prices need to come down

Working hours need to come down

Family life needs more attention

Children need a different type of education

Benefits still need to be paid (to those that warrant it)

Illegals need to leave

Borders need to be monitored

Fanatics/Radicals need to be kicked out

This is just some of the things i'd be working on...

reply to post by Freeborn


To be fair, it's very handy for politicians to claim it is a "global economic problem" rather than admit the truth, which is deregulation and lack of oversight in certain markets (US and UK) led to this mess.

Take note of France and Germany, out of recession with no big public debt from propping up banks (although Germany is now having to prop up the Euro because the fallout from problem A caused problem B) because they had a well regulated and controlled finanancial market.

Yes, they may have had sluggish growth prior to this mess, but it is still growth and now they are screaming ahead compared to the UK.

Brown is quite responsible for this as he had his hand in deregulating the market and also sold off a huge amount of our gold at the lowest possible price which could have helped us out in lean times.

I also fail to see how the Tories are going to make millions unemployed. Of all three parties, they are the ones business reckon has the best plan. It is certainly better than continuing to borrow, continuing to rack up huge debt and eventually having our credit rating downgraded causing much bigger pain later on.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


Throw in electoral and parliamentary reform, a referendum on continued membership of the EU, repeal some of the more draconian laws Labour passed so improving civil liberties....and guess what...you'd be on a winner.

Not hard is it.

Only one problem, how we going to pay for it?

I'm sure we'd think of something.

reply to post by Freeborn


Massive cuts have been needed since BEFORE the recession.

The Civil service has doubled in size since 1997 and I can tell you now, they are the most inefficient bunch of workers in the country.

I'd rather have a leaner, more effiicient Government than a huge bloated one where people have jobs for life, a final salary pension and never have to do a proper days work to get it.

Cameron has said that they will simply not fill vacancies, which amount to over 100k jobs a year. I really don't feel sorry for Civil Servants having to give us a better return for our money. They just have to work as hard as the rest of us now.

Originally posted by Freeborn

The Tories wil make massive cuts in goverment run agencies etc, jobs that are filled by British people.

They are committed to reducing government expenditure.

Something has to be done to cut the government spending, or the budget defecit will grow even larger.
The Conservatices were the only ones who promised to actually make the required cuts within the year.

reply to post by stumason


Didn't say he was perfect, just that he's not responsible for the WHOLE mess, far from it.

Cameron will slash jobs in the public sector.

Businesses always say they would prefer a Tory governement, that's why they get massive tax reliefs etc.
Big business always benefit from The Tories, the man in the street rarely does.

reply to post by Freeborn


But Freeborn, jobs NEED slashing in the Public sector. It is not healthy that almost half the GDP in this country is now because of Government spending....

That is a bad state to be in. The Civil service need to be more efficient, like the rest of us in the real world. My workload has doubled in the past 12 months, but I'd rather do more work than not have a job. I'm afriad the Civil service lot have to join the real world too.

No more 12 man teams to push a peice of paper around and no more comittees to decide on the next commitees agenda about Meeting protocol.....

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Freeborn

 

Massive cuts have been needed since BEFORE the recession.

The Civil service has doubled in size since 1997 and I can tell you now, they are the most inefficient bunch of workers in the country.

I'd rather have a leaner, more effiicient Government than a huge bloated one where people have jobs for life, a final salary pension and never have to do a proper days work to get it.

Cameron has said that they will simply not fill vacancies, which amount to over 100k jobs a year. I really don't feel sorry for Civil Servants having to give us a better return for our money. They just have to work as hard as the rest of us now.

I wish I could vote for you!

You speak how for so many of us in the private sector. Start a party and my vote is yours.

Originally posted by Freeborn


Only one problem, how we going to pay for it?

I'm sure we'd think of something.

Easy.... Print more money!

reply to post by stumason


One of the best things they could do with the publlic sector is employ managers from the private sector.
There is a point blank refusal to do so as they fear being judged on results as private companies / employees are.

Would this result in job losses?
Possibly, but it wouldn't be a carte blanche 'no recruitment' policy. Jobs would be going in the correct places and the agencies and bodies would be getting managed correctly.

It was the same with the Nationalised industries in the 80's.
They didjn't have to be sold off.
All they had to do was employ professional managers and run the businesses like a private business but the profits went back into the country.
Not hard.

But no, they were sold off to line the pockets of The Tory supporters who made a quick killing and now those foreign owned businesses are leaking profit out of this country.

Despite my dislike of Cameron and his party I have previously stated that based on the election results andcurrent rules etc he should form a minority government for 12 months at which time another election should be held.
This will give us stable leadership for the duration and will allow Cameron to show his credentials etc to the country.
Labour can elect a new leader and agree what sort of party it wishes to be.
Clegg can prove that he is actually is a man of substance and integrity.
And we can have an inquiry into what electoral and parliamentary reform are available and desired.

Pretty straight forward in my book, don't know why it's taking all this time.

But a cautinonary note, don't expect Cameron to be Britiain's Knight In Shining Armour, because he won't be!

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Korg Trinity

 

Well seeing as i live on disability Living allowance, I can probably expect my income to decrease from a pretty paultry amount anyway. Also I rely heavily on the NHS

Good for business, not good for me and others in a similar situation.

i am on DLA, hopfully they won't touch DLA by decreasing it.


I find it disgustinghow they have treated gordon brown and i don't like camron at all, his not to be trusted, the tories will really put thi country deeper in to a financial mess