Brown says he will resign by September

Originally posted by rizla
The good news is, the Lib-dems are about to do a deal with Labour. We are going to have a left-wing govt. that is going to have a referendum on PR.

That's all we need here in Britain.... more immigrants from ME and Somalia.... i don't know where you live but this place is crowded enough already... you really want more coming over?

Also what about all the BS lies from labour over the years as regards to Cabinet spending? Not to mention the amount of new taxes and increased old ones.... o yes i can see a great future ahead with Lib Dem/Labour Government

I'm not Conservative either but i'm pretty sure they would do better then the current BS!!!



[edit on 10-5-2010 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

I think all the talk of policy here is missing the point.

We voted already. There was a winner... The Conservatives.

Now we are having discussions behind closed doors about who will be in power.
It means that your voice, your vote equals exactly nothing.

the Party with 3rd fewest votes is the party with the most power. The people spoke already and voted against Labour and the Lib Dems....

You can't get 2nd and 3rd place together to make 1st place, that's not democracy.

Korg.

I'm afraid the Tories did not have a majority so they do not get to run the ship. So when ever they needed to pass a bill the opposition and others would simply vote against and nothing would ever get done. So just because the tories got the most vote doesn't mean they rule. This is how the worlds most perfect political system works. A True Democracy Plato would be proud.
AND to add Brown said he would resign as leader of the Labout Party NOT as Primeminister .....how the hell that would work IDK he's a Fudging IDIOT...Time to flush the Brown turd(nothing worse than klingons)

[edit on 10-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]

What I see happening in the UK is similar to what we saw in the US in 2000 when the media decided the result. We have the 'get out now' and the 'squatter' remarks from the right wing press, yet constitutionally , it is the correct course of action for the residing prime minister to remain in office until such time that he can suggest to the queen his recommendation based upon a parliamentary majority . Yet they do not care , these right wing media . It is all full of 'moral' right , and additional superfluous and irrelevant statistics..like 'gaining the most seats' . Where does that parameter integrate within the constitution, it doesn't , it's all just BS rhetoric from the usual guttersnipe murdoch tory propaganda media.

As far as I can see, they're all the same party anyway if the following has any truth to it.

'The Bilderberg Group is the lower executive chamber of the New World Order while the Trilateral Commission holds the ultimate power. The Bilderberg Group has one hundred members, including (within the British contingent) Ed Balls, Peter Mandelson, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nick Clegg and others from within all three main political parties, as well as various members of Royalty and chief industrialists.'

www.philipbrennan.net...

'nuff said?

Originally posted by Korg Trinity
I think all the talk of policy here is missing the point.

We voted already. There was a winner... The Conservatives.

Now we are having discussions behind closed doors about who will be in power.
It means that your voice, your vote equals exactly nothing.

the Party with 3rd fewest votes is the party with the most power. The people spoke already and voted against Labour and the Lib Dems....

You can't get 2nd and 3rd place together to make 1st place, that's not democracy.

Korg.

Actually that IS democracy... Those 2nd and 2rd place parties represent 53% of the electorate... The Tories only represent 36% (could be 38%, can't remember now)..... and THAT is the problem with the first past the post system... Those representing a minority of the population end up ruling the roost, and are able to wreck it with impunity.

Roll on PR

So,Brown is leaving not the it matters in the UK conservative and liberal are just as much a shame over there as it is here.

Just WTF does a Government have to do to be voted out?

Labour have ....

- Destroyed liberty
- Created a total surveillance society with cameras on every street corner and in some people's homes
- Have targets for local authorities to take away kiddies from their parents.
- Taken the UK into two big foreign wars that are nothing to do with us.
- Bankrupted the antion
- Openly raided private pensions funds and ripped off the epnsioners.
- Increased child poverty
- Lied repeatedly
- Ed Balls spent 3,000,000 pounds on his office suite.
- Had a Prme Minister's wife who makes policy decision based on pagan rituals
- The Prime Minister was caught trying to pocket 12,000 pounds and force to pay it back
- They appointed a Prime Minister without an election.
- Once appointed, the Prime Minister stay in office to the last possible moment, called an election he lost and STILL stays in office.
- They have taken big bribes including 1,000,000 from Bernie Eccleston
- Made the poor even poorer
- Made the rich even richer
- Told their own voters that they are bigots.
- Sold of the country's gold reserves for pennies and told everyone when they were selling it to reduce its value still further.
- Foisted the EU constitution upon the public, rennaged on their promises of a vote on it and signed it in a back office literally
- Created a housing boom that raised prices so high that ordinary people can't afford to buy.
- Created a specualtive bubble that crashed the entire banking system.
- Seen half their party investigated for corruption and had three charged with it.
- Doled out millions in bonuses to nationalised bank chiefs for losing billions.

...And millions of ordinary people stil vote for them and actually worry about the Conservatives? Just how could it be any worse?

Are you socialists all TOTAL IMBECILES?




[edit on 10-5-2010 by airvicemarshal]

Originally posted by Illegal Alien
As far as I can see, they're all the same party anyway if the following has any truth to it.

'The Bilderberg Group is the lower executive chamber of the New World Order while the Trilateral Commission holds the ultimate power. The Bilderberg Group has one hundred members, including (within the British contingent) Ed Balls, Peter Mandelson, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nick Clegg and others from within all three main political parties, as well as various members of Royalty and chief industrialists.'

www.philipbrennan.net...

'nuff said?

I have seen no evidence that David Cameron is a Bilderberger. Indeed, it was clear from the start and there is a great deal of evidence that Ken Clarke was the Bilderberg choice to lead the party and attended various meetings. Whilst they have had to have in the Shadow Cabinet, he has been told that he is only "tolerated" so long as he keeps his mouth shut and does nothing for his pals. Indeed, there is also strong evidence that Cameron loathes Ken Clarke for having been their choice and views them with deep resentment. Should he come to power, he will give them a nasty whipping.

You stupid people who voted tories will get what you deserve if the same old tory twits get power and cause 7 million unemployment levels.

Even with the whole Murdoch empire behind them, and with all of Gordon's blunders..... they can't persuade enough voters to get a majority. It will be like watching a comedy show seeing the tories continue to tear themselves apart over the next few weeks.

Poor old Tories, the Party 'born to rule'. All the Ashcroft money, the old boys network, all those private/public schools, designed to produce our financial/ political masters, the Tory press, etc, and they still couldn't even beat an unelectable labour government! Then Gorden out manoeuvres them!

reply to post by airvicemarshal

Just WTF does a Government have to do to be voted out?

Labour have ....

The list of good things actually outweighs the bad especially for families, and if you take into account the economic crisis being global, and the fact that labour had to fix all of the tory created problems when they gained power in 1997... that the tories somehow managed to mess up during much better economic times.

The list of tory #-ups last time they were in govt. is very much longer, and with NO positives to list at all. Of course if you're a toff and a selfish git who doesn't care about the ordinary man/woman & families with children, then all of labour's positives won't even register for you.

With the tories we'll see massive cuts straight away to pay off some of the deficit, and job losses in the millions coming up... how will the majority of the deficit ever be paid back with a completely trashed economy, without enough workers to even tax???

All I have left to say is: Black Wednesday!..... and imagine the idiotic Osbourne who cannot add up - in charge of the treasury.

[edit on 10-5-2010 by john124]

Also how can a conservative government be representative of the country when they only hold 1 seat in Scotland?

There is a reason why there was a hung parliament and it's because anywhere outside of england the conservatives are disliked more than anyone else.

reply to post by john124


Labour are as bad as the Tories....

Most of my friends where on the wonderful (not) YTS when they left school to no jobs just as my sons friends are today's NEETS who equally on a pittance and equally discarded by the Gov... to claim that somehow Labour is superior is I feel quite misleading.

I, for one can not see how LibDems could tie up with labour considering how LibDem MPs like my own did a lot of finger pointing over the murder of Dr David Kelly and the lies that led us to war.. I guess we can forget that now and follow the party line..

We will (IMHO) be in a dictatorship in all but name if the LibDems tie up with Labour in a move that forces any form of PR on us without a referendum...

I Personally will hold our democracy in deep contempt if that happens.

Originally posted by Dagar

Actually that IS democracy... Those 2nd and 2rd place parties represent 53% of the electorate... The Tories only represent 36% (could be 38%, can't remember now)..... and THAT is the problem with the first past the post system... Those representing a minority of the population end up ruling the roost, and are able to wreck it with impunity.

Roll on PR

No that's not democracy at all.

More people voted for the conservatives than any other single party they also have a large margin over all the other parties in seats at 307 seats.... That makes that party the winner, regardless of whether they have an overall majority in the commons.

You can't add together people who voted for single parties and say more people voted against tory than voted tory.

If Labour had formed a coalition prior to the election then there maybe an argument. But after the race is run, you can't add 2nd and 3rd place together to create a new party that the electorate hasn't voted for and create 1st place. That is so far beyond Democracy it's untrue.. And the figures don't add up!!

Even if there was a lib-lab coalition they still would not have an over all majority and would have to seek additional parties to join their coalition. ~A rainbow Government. Where back room deals are done and your rights are sold away.

The real issue on electoral reform is that Labour plan to put in place a VA system where a vote for any party other than Tory would be a vote for labour.

The people have spoken, The Conservatives Won. That much is clear.

What remains now is... if Labour succeeds in stealing power when will Civil Unrest break out!

I am willing to stake my reputation that it will break out almost immediately.. Think poll tax riots x 10 and that’s not good for England not good at all.

Korg.

Originally posted by john124
Even with the whole Murdoch empire behind them, and with all of Gordon's blunders..... they can't persuade enough voters to get a majority.

Labour still lost the most seats it lost in 80 odd years, so it seems the country does not want labour after 13 years of nanny state.

Amazes me is that the uk voted out labour and now they say they have a right to form a government, but where is this right. We have a system that says the party with most seats wins, not 2nd and 3rd joined together.

Has anyone heard what that murderer blair has said on this?

Originally posted by mclarenmp4
Also how can a conservative government be representative of the country when they only hold 1 seat in Scotland?

There is a reason why there was a hung parliament and it's because anywhere outside of england the conservatives are disliked more than anyone else.

That has nothing to do with this... that is what Devolution is all about. You have a Scottish parliament and a Welsh Assembly.

Where have you been for the last 13 years??

Korg.

First of all I would just like to point out that I hate The Tories and I despise everything they stand for.
Thatcher is one of the very few people I can say hand on heart that I truly hate, she sold this country down the river, destroyed whole communities and is as much as guilty of treason as every other Prime Minister since Heath, and our Monarch, who have illegally surrendered our sovereignty to the EU.

However, since must prevail.

We are living in difficult timesand we need clear leadership.

Cameron must be given the go ahead to form a government, a minority one without the LibDems if necessary, for 12 months when another election should take place.

This will allow him and his party time to prove his credentials.
It will also give Labour time to regroup and see how effective an oposition they are and allow Clegg time to prove if he is does indeed offer a viable alternative to the other 2 major parties.

In the meantime a full and open inquiry is required to see what alternative electoral and parliamentary reforms are available, necessary and desired.

What is going on at present is farcical and does the nation no good at all and just shows our politicians up to be the power hungry megalomaniacs that they are.

We need independant, people's politicians whose responsibilities are to their constituents and not the party line.

Brown seems to be the only politician at least trying to act in the countries best interest and I assure you, I have a less than favourable opinion of him!

Originally posted by Freeborn
Brown seems to be the only politician at least trying to act in the countries best interest and I assure you, I have a less than favourable opinion of him!

No he is not, he is not announcing his resignation to leave number 10 but to stay in there for as long as possible.

He was paving the way for talks with the Lib dems, and giving the possibility that Nick Clegg himself could enter a coalition leadership battle.

Korg.

Originally posted by Korg Trinity

Originally posted by Freeborn
Brown seems to be the only politician at least trying to act in the countries best interest and I assure you, I have a less than favourable opinion of him!

No he is not, he is not announcing his resignation to leave number 10 but to stay in there for as long as possible.

He was paving the way for talks with the Lib dems, and giving the possibility that Nick Clegg himself could enter a coalition leadership battle.

Korg.

Did he say he would quit as PM? or just party leader?

Could Mandy in theory become leader of the labour party? being a lord would that allow Brown to continue as PM (not sure if that is within the rules) but everything that was said seemed rather ambiguous to me.

There's talks in the markets that a LIB - LAB coalition would result in a downgrading of Britains credit rating.

This sounds ominous. A Lib-Lab pact would "almost guarantee" a downgrade of the UK's top-notch credit rating because both parties oppose early spending cuts to reduce the government deficit, according to analysts at BNP Paribas. They advised investors to sell the pound against the dollar.

www.guardian.co.uk...