Question for ATS members - Facebook or "Conspiracy" Book?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I HATE facebook. Hate it. I would be very sad to see ATS venture into such a .. vile organization.

But if you made a FB type site for ATS minded peoples.... I'd say that I would use it. Assuming of course, you really do protect us like you do on ATS. It's nice to be able to speak your mind and the worst you have to fear is the ADL writing an article about your evil ways.

Make your new site, I'll use it.

EDIT: I don't think that people use the social aspects of ATS much because it's kinda buried in the site.. but if it was a completely different site, not a above/below/political/mediatopsecret.com domain, I think it would garner much more attention, but keeping of course the very close and obvious relationship to ATS's main site.

[edit on 5/10/2010 by Rockpuck]

Sorry, i haven't read all 10 pages of replies...

I'm not sure about the idea.
I really like the people here on ATS, a much more open minded, intelligent bunch overall than your average crowd for sure! This concept would give us all the chance to get to know each other better, and as a result, probably reduce the amount of anger on this site due to us all actually visualizing other posters as people rather than random avatars, which is definately a good thing

However, it might also create little sub-groups of people who are friends.. and set in motion an "us vs them" type situation where threads could be hijacked by little packs of roving cohorts all blindly supporting each other not because of the arguements presented, but simply because they are "friends"

So i dunno, some good, some bad. I would probably join though if implemented.

Facebook - never been there, never will go there.

ATS facsimile ... would certainly, at the least, investigate it because it's ATS and would hope that it would be cool and productive. I imagine Facebook offerings, but through ATS would be successful. Facebook, I would think, is just the current AOL, MySpace, etc. No need to play by their rules. They won't exist in ten years, maybe less. I understand the kids have already turned against it ... like so a year or two ago.

Keep it within ATS. Whatever you guys do to assimilate with Google works like gangbusters because threads in process are returned as results BIG TIME PRONTO. My point is it ain't hard to find ATS. And people who are ATS people, once they find it, are here.

I would say that making a "TinBook" would be a great idea, in preference over a Facebook page. My reasoning is thus:

1. I have limited my Facebook involvement to an absolute minimum in the last 6 months due to privacy concerns, and...

2. I believe it will expose ATS members to ridicule from non-members and the general public.

And perhaps another name other than "Tinbook"! It just seems a little bland or something. I'll put my thinking cap on (after I get the wife to darn the holes in it).

Skepticoverlord wont accept my farmville and mafiawars invites.....im boycotting ATS

joking

Good idea by the way, except for the people who want to remain anonymous, lol

[edit on 11/5/2010 by OzWeatherman]

I have a FB and in general do not worry about my privacy as the name I use is not mine and the other information is vague. The people I WANT to find me do and I am sure it wouldn't take a detective to find me via my family and friends that do use their real names...

As has been said anyone who thinks they have real privacy anywhere on the internet is kidding themselves. Sure some places are more secure than others but anyone who uses the internet to any extent can be found.

When the media portal was launched it reminded me of MySpace on some levels but it seems very quiet there these days. Launching a social network site like FB seems like it may just dilute ATS use. So many people belong to many sites and having to keep up with FB, ATS, BTS and what ever this new site is may be daunting for some.

Why not make BTS the more social area of the site more social and active...keep your members on the site not drifting around trying to find each other, expand the profile pages here , consolidate the password entry as many seem to dislike multiple logins??

I had my Facebook account closed involuntarily, and without any explanation, shortly after I began presenting evidence on my page about possible Facebook conspiracies. An Orwellian twist occurred when I tried to inquire about why my account had been closed. When I tried to write from my usual email address, my question was rejected: that email was now blocked, because the account associated with it had been removed. When I tried to query from another email address, I was told that I couldn't ask about an account except from the email address associated with it. I've since discovered online that involuntary, unexplained removals are common. It would be interesting -- though operationally difficult -- to look for a pattern among those closures.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Conspiracy Book,

now that sounds like a good time..

hopefully the would be some user flexibility to customize the page.. have your favorite videos.. have a personal blog documenting your studies into a particular subject.. pictures.. some groovy sounds.. book library


anyway, that would be asking for a lot, but would be awesome..

Definitely would not go with the Facebook option. I think a separate social network ('Tinbook') would be fine if the majority wants, personally I wouldn't use it. I don't know how feasible it would be at this stage, but why not incorporate the social network features you would use on a website such as 'Tinbook' into the revamped version of ATS?

I see a lot of members saying they would sign up for a separate site like Tinbook, but in reality very few would depart from the big brother counterparts since it would mean joining a site which would have very few, if any, of their 'friends' from Facebook coming over as well. This would be the main problem. You could argue that it would bring like minded individuals together, but this wouldn't be the same and in my opinion, would not be a wise direction to go in, time and money wise.

I go back to my statement about incorporating social networking features into a revamped ATS. Make our profiles more user interactive and network friendly.

Incorporate a Facebook style 'Wall' where we could comment and then, if we choose, get our activity on ATS posted on the wall aswell. This could in essence synchronize the functions of ATS media, where user videos could be listed in a segment within their profile. Of course pictures would be included as well, serving as a space for both personal and ATS-centric uploads. Just a few examples of how social network elements could be incorporated into the current ATS framework. E.g: serbsta flagged Memberx's thread title, serbsta commented in Threadx, etc. Of course these should all be optional.

... More incentive for ATS members to put more time into threads. Create some kind of 'My Project' space, an online word processor where members could work on larger posts individually or within a collaborative group among other members.

Maybe I'm just rambling now, good luck with whatever direction you choose to go in.

Cheers.

I do not, nor will I get a facebook, and I believe a part of ATS should have us posting much more than a picture of ourselves and state we live in.

I don't use facebook so I doubt I would use anything like it here where I wish to remain more unknown than known.

I have considered using facebook but never got around to it.

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I'm relatively concerned about the trend at FB that makes it virtually impossible to prevent sharing that is not chosen by the user. If ads aren't generating enough income it stands to reason that they would resort to other means to generate income. I don't use it that often so it doesn't really affect me that much. All things being equal my preference would be for user controlled sharing across the board.

Sounds like a good idea for the ATS Tinbook.

I woukld certainly use "Tinbook",as for facebook I use it to post whatever i find to let people know whats going on and to hell with what the govt think,I have a right to an opinion and people have a right to the truth

Sorry Double post

[edit on 11-5-2010 by Bilder]

Facebook may have been a good idea at one time,
but I for one, do not like it.
'Tin Book' sounds fine and we know it'll be in less-
sinister hands.
I raise a red-nail-varnished hand and say "YES!"

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

The only way I would use it is if it was integrated into ATS and used the same ATS login. I don't go to BTS right now because of the hassel...so I don't think I would go to "TinBook" for the same reason.

I'm on Facebook...but wouldn't become a fan of an ATS page. Wouldn't want to mix real life "me" with ATS "me".

Hi there OutKast Searcher. I agree wholeheartedly with your statement - you've raised two issues that I completely relate to. My facebook life is 'real life', and I stay in touch with friends and acquaintances from school days and previous employment. ATS is where I tell the truth about my experience and my thought processes - I feel that there are multitudes of users who are 'in the same boat'.

In addition - I'm now locked out of my media portal here on ATS, and not even the mods have been able to offer a solution. One person offered to host a new avatar (it all came about after receiving notice that my avatar was taking up too much space) but that seems to bypass the idea of having anonymous access (to my rather non-technical mind at least).

Overall, I feel that there's some technical access issues that need to be carefully resolved before we can move to an extended TinBook concept. Why... oh why... can the mods not simply reset the media portal access password..?!?! It seems archaic and inflexible, and severely limits my experience of ATS as a result of being locked out from the media side of things.

The media portal apparently only accepts your very first ATS password. What happens when it won't accept it....? I kept the original email with my account details and log ins when I first joined ATS, and I can guarantee that I'm not entering the password incorrectly. Are there any super technical mods that have any idea / solution / promise to change the access settings on the media portal...????

Noah

reply to post by NoahTheSumerian


I had the same problem with mine but eventually remembered my original...

Therefore more log ins means more hassle and tech problems for the users and the mods.

Integrate it into the main site.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

I have actuallyt witnessed soe of the privacy concerns. IM's terminated, coments deleted by facebook staff etc.

If ATS launhed its own soial network site, I would defintely sign up for a page in a heartbeat

I use facebook to chat up birds and play mafia wars. Sorry, just being honest.

Would i use a tinbook? Yeah, would be great to get to know some of the people on here a bit better and in a more social situation. But would really need NOT to be moderated.

Members are their own mods, if someone is offensive, remove from friends and dont talk again. Simple. And ok, have a report button for abuse. But other than that, i wanna say what the hell i want to my friends without some moderator deciding he doesnt like my tone or my language. My mum doesnt like what i say on FB sometimes. She doesnt read my statuses now. Simple

Go for it but no mods. If someone wants to control what i can or cant say in a social environment with my friends then i wouldnt join.

Hai S.O.

I used Facebook for about a month or so until the stress got to me and I quit.
This was when FB still was a pretty new phenomena on the market.

Since I quit, I've been thanking myself for doing so. The security and privacy concerns are big-time problems.
I would never consider joining FB again!

As for ATS; drop the idea of making some equivalent page, instead try to program some sense into ATS Video&Media! That place is a gold mine, just sitting there totally dormant under its thick blanket of user-unfriendlyness!

Call me old fashioned...but I like ATS just the way it is.

Thank you for your time, and thank you for the best site on the net!

Sincerely:
/Raud