Female posters incapable of original thought?

reply to post by lemonfresh


Ummm...... No?

reply to post by Jenna

- that has to be sarcasm -




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reply to post by LadySkadi


I'm pretty sure it was too, I just wasn't sure if the correct answer was yes or no. So I solved my dilemma by making it a question.

You sayin sarcasm? MA'AM thats the best addviseful posting here. Reed it good and yall see it to and will THEN no the way to treet yalls MAN the RITE way like the Bible teeches..

reply to post by Jenna


Dear Jenna

I think that it is all too do with your American TV.

Have you seen an episode of Sex in the City or She Spy’s.

If you have then you will know that is the only conclusion that a man could possible come too.

reply to post by MAC269


Wait - are you saying that tv shows like that (which I doubt most men even watch) are influencing their opinions of women's intelligence? If true, an obvious sign they need to get out more.

However, I credit most men with the insight to know what's real and what's tv stereotype.
I'm not buying that explanation...





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reply to post by MAC269


Hopefully men are getting out and meeting real women and not basing their concepts of women on fantasy-based television programming.

Sorry, cutie pies, but you are all wrong,and on so many levels.

I could explain it to you, but it would just confuse you.

Shut up and get me a beer.

This pretty much sums it up I think:



At least he describes my spousal unit to a tee. Once I understood the concepts in this video, it saved my marriage. Admittedly, it describes me too. I have a VERY BIG "nothing box."

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reply to post by kinda kurious


KK, this video is sexist. It is. It's intentionally seeded with humor, but the guy obviously believes there is an underlying if not blatant truth to his comments.

He is repeating the same "men are rational, men are calm with thought- out reactions" and woman are all over the place emotional/hysterical/judgmental as is the subject of this thread.

These are not a male/female traits, but rather a variation on how people think. Some people "learn" to think, while some others simply never do.

The little "boxes" are just simply indications of compartmentalizing thoughts, which both sexes do. It's non-specific to gender, and yet he is presenting it as though it is, and somehow makes the case it is superior.

And don't get me started....that men don't have their days when their wiring doesn't show. They can be "all over the place" emotionally, too.
Please.

This is all mostly learned behavior...stemming from decades of Biblical teachings, and social conditioning, and God knows what else. There is not a great deal of truth in this video, that is actually real. This guy is on a money-making venture, and is reducing concepts to an over-simplification to please audiences. Yes?

Our differences, other than muscular and skeletal, are essentially hormonal. It's not that big a mystery.

One is not better than the other, but different. I personally enjoy the differences, but insist on being an equal.

Originally posted by Jenna
Over the years since I first joined ATS, something has been bothering me. There seems to be a persistent belief that women are somehow incapable of understanding some issues or that they should essentially know their place. This isn’t an opinion voiced by all male posters, nor is it my intention to imply such a thing, but it has been voiced on occasion and it typically shows up in the middle of an otherwise civil discussion. What I’d like to understand is why this view is held at all. How did it come about? Why, in this day and age, is it still held at all?

I’ve never considered myself to be much of a feminist, though I suppose this thread would indicate otherwise. I don’t believe that women are oppressed (not any more anyway), that we are victimized or exploited by men daily, or that women are in any way the superior sex. Nor do I believe that we should need to prove ourselves anymore than a man does in order to be taken seriously. I’m not out to demonize all men or call them all sexist pigs, though I’m sure someone will inevitably post without fully reading what I’m saying and claim that I am. In my mind, gender is not an indication of intelligence or worth and no one gender has a monopoly on either. Men and women are equal, different but equal. But I digress, back to the topic at hand.

Literature, mythology, and folklore from virtually every part of the globe contains tales of women who were fierce in battle, leaders of armies, revered leaders of their people, heroines, goddesses of war, etc. Women were not always seen as weak, helpless, and incapable of intelligent thought. This seems to be a relatively new development in the history of mankind. One that I find irritating in general, but significantly more so on a website such as this where we all come to discuss and learn.

As much as I’d like to do otherwise, I’ll refrain from providing direct quotes to avoid pointing fingers at any one poster. The comments that I’m referring to either flat out state or infer that:

• Women are incapable of understanding an issue so complex as the one being discussed;
  
• They should stick to neutral topics where they will be better capable of contributing;
  
• Men in a group will each speak their own mind, women in a group will just develop mind-think and agree with the majority because they have no individual opinions;
  
• Women cannot have an independent/rational/correct thought without first having it explained to them by a man;
  
• Claims of sexism are unfounded because women irrationally believe that everything is a conspiracy against them.
  

That’s to say nothing of the rest of the sexist comments one can find here with a quick google search. My focus for this thread though isn’t sexism in general, but the mistaken belief that being female makes someone incapable of original thought and/or incapable of understanding a topic put forth for discussion. What is it that has caused some posters to believe that's true? More importantly, why is it brought up mid-discussion in an attempt to invalidate and demean female posters for doing nothing more than discussing the topic at hand?

stop whining

Interesting studies to back up what we are talking about. Men and Women do think differently (we know this) and that difference is by design (supposedly) and one would presume, meant to genetically compliment the other.

Men and Women Really Do Think Differently

The brain is made primarily of two different types of tissue, called gray matter and white matter. This new research reveals that men think more with their gray matter, and women think more with white. Researchers stressed that just because the two sexes think differently, this does not affect intellectual performance.

Psychology professor Richard Haier of the University of California, Irvine led the research along with colleagues from the University of New Mexico. Their findings show that in general, men have nearly 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence compared with women, whereas women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence compared to men.

"These findings suggest that human evolution has created two different types of brains designed for equally intelligent behavior," said Haier, adding that, "by pinpointing these gender-based intelligence areas, the study has the potential to aid research on dementia and other cognitive-impairment diseases in the brain."

The results are detailed in the online version of the journal NeuroImage.

In human brains, gray matter represents information processing centers, whereas white matter works to network these processing centers.


Emotional Wiring Different

Men and women are actually from the same planet, but scientists now have the first strong evidence that the emotional wiring of the sexes is fundamentally different.

An almond-shaped cluster of neurons that processes experiences such as fear and aggression hooks up to contrasting brain functions in men and women at rest, the new research shows.

For men, the cluster "talks with" brain regions that help them respond to sensors for what's going on outside the body, such as the visual cortex and an area that coordinates motor actions.

For women, the cluster communicates with brain regions that help them respond to sensors inside the body, such as the insular cortex and hypothalamus. These areas tune in to and regulate women's hormones, heart rate, blood pressure, digestion and respiration.

"Throughout evolution, women have had to deal with a number of internal stressors, such as childbirth, that men haven't had to experience," said study co-author Larry Cahill of the University of California Irvine. "What is fascinating about this is the brain seems to have evolved to be in tune with those different stressors."

The finding, published in the recent issue of the journal NeuroImage, could help researchers learn more about sex-related differences in anxiety, autism, depression, irritable bowel syndrome, phobias and post-traumatic stress disorder.

Okay, this just appeared on my profile page, and I think it's hilarious.

Maybe some comic relief is in order? (Thanks, friend! -- didn't know you were here, you could come help the womens ya know).

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Odd you feel that way. It was meant as a light-hearted look at the sexes.

BTW, it is sponsored by Marriage Resource Center.org a faith-based outreach program.

My wife and I found some of their outreach programs quite helpful. I wasn't kidding when I said it saved our marriage. The man is not a comedian but rather a counselor. Wow you got him pegged wrong.

FYI: Here is a comment at YT regarding video.

I am a strong feminist. Frankly I don't see this as sexist in any way because it is humour and is not meant to be taken seriously. It made me laugh when I needed a good laugh. You can find sexism in everything if you look for for it but all that happens is you end up miserable. Lighten up! Have a laugh at this it is what is intended.

Sorry if your sensitivities were encroached upon. It was not my intent. Geez.


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Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by Aeons

 

Ah c'mon, you didn't find the information about the Man Cave interesting?

Actually, that's all that I remember from that book. Lol.

Yes Yes YES
Bravo!

Yes men need a place to scratch, FART, belch spit and talk BS!
Go shopping while WE talk BS with our Bros!


Edit to add Fart and Belch I was directed to do so by a female friend!


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I really want to post a comment but am unsure if I am intelligent enough to do so

That said.. being a relatively new 'active' member and still feeling my way around, I haven't as yet encountered any sexist or derogatory comments of any kind.. perhaps because my avatar doesn't immediately give my sex away it is automatically assumed I am male..?

reply to post by pavelivanov22


I take it you didn't read the thread.

reply to post by kinda kurious


I know you meant it to be light-hearted. My comments weren't directed to you so much as to the speaker on the vid. I think I know you are not a sexist. Slayer has tried to be funny here, too, and I don't really think he is sexist either. Sigh.

I was literally almost traumatized by what happened to the women on a thread the other night. I wasn't used to/accustomed to being subjected to that kind of talk. It took me from out of the blue. So yeah, I've taken this seriously, KK, because the stuff the other night really hurt me, and made me furious. I can take a joke, ya know? But those guys weren't joking.

I've calmed down. No offense intended. ♥

sorry, double post.

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