Mars pictures of ancient techno devices!

mars more proff
more mroe mroe


eu preciso de maiseu precis de 555

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Titen you have been making arguments and explaining yourself.

Your posts are good. This is the type of debate we want.

We want people to use reasoning to debunk things.

I am glad we have people like you around here. We need you.

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull


Well the pictures you made are cool but I feel that too many here have taken them seriously. No offense but they all look like regular old Martian rocks to me.

I think they are all rocks also.

Except the chrome pipe lol.

Another graduate of the "HOAGLAND SCHOOL FOR ADVANCED OBSERVATION AND STUDIES GROUP".

The chrome pipe is interesting , but what I would like to know is : what is Gumby`s horse doing on mars??
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reply to post by bluemooone2


LOL Good one! Now that you mention, it, they both do not look quite earthly, and they HAVE been off the public eye for some time now...

Originally posted by Martyn Stubbs
mars more proff
more mroe mroe


eu preciso de maiseu precis de 555

Exactly.....

That's what I always say.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


Aresh Troxit.....

Thanks for posting your interesting pictures & commentary.

Whilst I find such conjecture interesting, I am yet to see anything on Mars that looks to be evidence of past or present intelligence.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by ArMaP


Thanks again mate, and i appreciate you acknowledged the image you gave wasn't a good example of what you meant, but while i get your point, there are a number of things radically different with the 'two' tubes and their orientation and apparent composition, that kind of make them chalk and cheese for comparison purposes.

The one you've posted seems to be made of a dissimilar material to polished chrome (or even glass coated metal?), it looks a bit like burnished aluminium to me.

The cylinder on the lander pic is quite a distance off from the surface, and only the very bottom and very small portion of the side area would reflect the rock underneath.

The angle the image was snapped from is from a high and very close point above, and the bright topmost reflection is probably being added to by the high brightness of other metallic components of the lander itself, such as the camera body. IOW, the sunlight + other metallic reflections are altering the way it would look, if it was laying on the ground, in the same position and surroundings as the 'pipe' is.

I do understand what you're saying though, but it's not a good illustration of it.

A good and fairly simple example any of us might be able to do, would be to get our hands on a polished chrome tube or pipe, perhaps 3-6 inch diameter, lay it on a bed of sand, at noon(ish) so the sun is more or less as it is in the image, and place low rocks and bits and bobs a few feet away, mimicking the image as much as possible.

A simpler method, that will be instantly familiar to fellow bikers (motorcycles) will be to simply have a look at a polished chrome exhaust pipe, and check out the reflections.

Originally posted by felonius
Another graduate of the "HOAGLAND SCHOOL FOR ADVANCED OBSERVATION AND STUDIES GROUP".

Another useless and snide remark blatantly slating and insulting Richard Hoagland and any ATS member who would have the temerity to actually consider the possibility, however remote the possibility may be, that among others the planet Mars once had a thriving and cultured civilization, now shattered and long gone.

TPTB, by their own admission have stated through intermediaries and consultants, that should evidence of either current and functioning, or long dead but once sophisticated off world cultures and civilizations be discovered, they would NOT inform the public. They cite the usual reasons for this, which are bunk of course, and have more to do with control than with security.

So with certain knowledge that should a Mars rover, past or future image a 100 meter perfectly sculpted statue, complete with clothing and adornments, situated in the middle of an obvious city made of pyramids, temples, walls, domes, roads and bridges and many other instantly recognizable artificial edifices and structures, we would not get to see them, what does that leave those that search for evidence of these possible cultures?

Not much is the answer.

We only have the older, lower quality images from the early probes, released at a time before the advent (and foresight) of ultra powerful personal computers, capable of enhancements unimaginable at the time those images were released, or we have the edited, airbrushed more recent images, with any patently obvious artificial objects removed by (now automatic) censors, and the less obvious more obscure fragments of artificiality that were either missed by the censors, or deliberately left in the images as they would provoke the 'it's paredolia, you're seeing what you want to see' type comments that inevitably flood threads such as this.

If artificiality was glaring and obvious, it would have been taken out of the images. If it's obscure and subjective and likely to polarise the opinion of the viewing public, they'd leave it in to cause confusion and dissent.

Remember too, that among those that hypothesise Mars had a long gone civilization, many think that it seemingly ended abruptly, during some unimaginable cataclysm that literally smashed and / or baked the planetary civilization into oblivion in the wink of an eye.
Therefore, artefacts will probably also be smashed or broken, at skewed angles, half buried and mixed in with natural rock formations.
If whatever happened to our hypothetical civilization was aeons ago, they would also be weathered and eroded too, further hindering searchers.

This is why searching for artificiality is such a difficult task...add in to the mix the fact we have a 'human eye' and have no idea what the supposed inhabitants actually looked like (if not human), what their building styles and tastes were like, what scale of building we're talking about and so on.

All that can be done, is what people are doing in threads such as this one, and elsewhere around the internet..searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack that insinuates artificiality.

It doesn't help a topic one way or the other, by throwing arbitrary insults and one liner put downs of those that are interested in, and research these things.

From my point of view, harassment and personal slurs only drive me on harder to first find the haystack then the needle, in order to metaphorically shove into the eyes of those that work to keep ours firmly closed.

Of course sometimes a rock is only an ordinary rock...
but never forget that here on Earth we have many, many artificial structures and artefacts made from that very ordinary rock that in many cases had been / is misidentified as 'Just a rock', until proper investigation reveals it to be 10 or 20 thousand year old relics of a long gone culture...Mars would probably be much the same, except potential evidence is probably sitting skewed and buried among ordinary rocks...millions of miles away.

It's easy to scoff and repeat cliché, it's not so easy to put the work in to find the results.

I've further enhanced the are around the Emblem and noticed something very interesting....I'm no engineer but isnt this a block mounted on the Pipes/Exhausts, part of the manifold maybe?

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Also the Red and White design also matches simular colours found on the debris in the surrounding area.
Those who want reflection proof check out the rock at the bottom of the screen which is reflected on the pipes surface left middle.





[edit on 3-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]

I give you a picture of a rock and you will draw down a 12v motor with all the screws included and descriptions of which to use to build one.

I mean you see some rocks on mars and you start making engins and stuff? cmon I aplaud your imagination but this is going a bit too far.

Originally posted by colloredbrothers
I give you a picture of a rock and you will draw down a 12v motor with all the screws included and descriptions of which to use to build one.

I mean you see some rocks on mars and you start making engins and stuff? cmon I aplaud your imagination but this is going a bit too far.

No one mentioned screws nuts and bolts....it ......COULD....... be a manifold block I'm showing you what I see and showing it in my post as best as I can if you would like me to stop enhancement and proving a point so be it. Enjoy your rock.
That reminds me I must go ring the plumber I need some RO...oops so easy to get the 2 mixed up they look ...So... alike... enjoy my last input to the thread but S&F to the OP if I knew how......

Knowledge is true opinion. PLATO

[edit on 3-5-2010 by DreamerOracle]

I didn't send these images to the 'ats' server so as to show them in the thread post, so apologies. (Why waste the bandwidth?)

So, click and look, and THEN (hopefully) someone can find similar sorts of "comparisons" in these very normal EARTH rock pictures, as are shown in this thread.....



I see a 'face', and a 'frog'....just at a simple glance in the photo above.

Far left, upper center....I see a seat, with a table...it's so 'obvious', all it needs is the plate and the cutlery, with a wine and water glass to make it complete. (Guess the staff are slow, today).

I like this one too...just because:




NOW....here we have what is 'obviously' either a sculpture, put in place by some ancient, ancient race of some sort....OR it is the fossilized remains of some ancient creature....OR....it's a bunch of rocks...




Anyone seeing a pattern, yet?

And, finally, of course....THIS next picture is TRUE PROOF that someone intentionally made this object, for what purpose we do not yet know....




[edit on 3 May 2010 by weedwhacker]

reply to post by DreamerOracle


If you mean the angled, thin black object..then yes, it could be part of the object to attach it to something. But the thing has a reflection on the middle part of the pipe, extending up and following the curvature of the pipe. It is right beside the 'number 6' (or iris of the eye motif as you see it).

Unless we have anymore detailed images to work from, we're probably never going to know one way or the other really...which is why this type of research is for me, both fascinating and infuriating at the same time!

Nice enhancements BTW, what programme are you using?

Now listen my friend,
I have a terrible lot of imagination. I am a very visual person and a good artist . I believe in ETs and even in old ancient structures on mars and the moon.
But what you shown here is absolutely nothing then rocks.
Sorry mate, but keep searching....

"Nothing to see move along please, see more picture of rocks that bare no comparison to the pictures in question ......MOVE ALONG NOTHING TO SEE HERE"
Sounds like your paid to disagree....
I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY..........


.....................YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SPECSAVERS.................

reply to post by DreamerOracle

YOU SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SPECSAVERS

translation for the Yanks:

Any mini-mall-type eye doctor store, like "Hour Eyes", etc.

See?

Hi everyone and thanks for the time you take here, even if it is only to say no-no without substance...

Here is the reasons why I presented the objects in this thread.

A) They are totally different than the rocks around them.

B) The natural process involved in the making of such rocks becomes so complicated, that one must wonder if the easiest solution wouldn't be the best. As science itself proposes... And in the case of these remarkable rocks, their apparent complexities call for manufacture... That is, only you firmly believe a hurricane can build a Boeing or that a thousand monkeys will write the best novel in the world under twenty years...

If you are to disagree, at least try like weedwhackers who brought substance to defend his idea. I do not agree with him because his examples are taken from around the globe, and nothing he presents is similar to my pics, all taken on a small space of a rim crater on Mars. But I respect his effort and likes better what he presented. He showed a bit of commitment here.

Aside from the pipe, at least, take more than 30 seconds to analyze the pics, otherwise, you are exactly what you say you oppose: unscientific.

Because if the pipe is the remain of something artificial, near an impact site, then something else might have survived. So please, take the time to also watch the other pics and analyze their shape, and the relation of the shapes.

Here, let me throw a real challenge to all of you nay sayers... Find an object, natural, from earth, that looks exactly like the Wheeled bone-like strucure, with a dented wheel encased in a fine hole, etc. Then explain to me the process as I live to learn. I love going to bed smarter.

Have a nice day nonetheless and thanks,

Aresh

[edit on 3-5-2010 by Aresh Troxit]

reply to post by Aresh Troxit


I think, whilst it's interesting that you take so much time and effort to "examine" these images, you are tending to 'read' too much into them.

Commendable attempt, but dodgy in the implementation, sorry.

What I mean is, "connecting-the-dots" doesn't always equate, mate.