Fifth Column Movement : The United Nations, Your Country, and Defending Your Rights...

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The CFR is a political think tank?

That’s so funny rockpuck! One of the first conspiracy books I ever read was on the CFR, that was back in 1972 when I did.

Calling the CFR a political think tank is like calling Adolf Hitler a poor confused misunderstood artist, who was really just an architect.

The fact that you have to resort to charges of bigotry to counter my well researched, and well documented claims on such organizations as Masonry, Zionism and Rome is pretty much all the evidence anyone would need of your inability to counter that research so you use feeble attempts, like claiming to have a degree in History despite even ever having read the Treaties that founded our nation, or knowing how many pages they are.

But hey why bother learning facts through Treaties, Charters and Bullas when you can just use incendiary emotional laced appeals to people, to attempt to dismiss the facts, and use tragically over simplified broad sweeping statements to try to appeal to people's emotions instead of their intellects.

Political correctness, the new religion for the slaves, meant to make them feel shame for questioning anyone or anything that can be put into a protected category of irreproachable esteem, based on the loosest of affiliations and broadest interpretation of the victim dictum. Which is what such dogmas of political correctness are all about, convincing everyone through some loose affiliation, that they are victims, to be championed and need championed by those who would like to victimize everyone, by taking away everyone’s right to speak in anyway that goes beyond a politically approved sound bite.

There are some people who fit into one category that they haven’t created a politically correct column for yet, and that’s “People who are part of the problem”. Of course they usually do have some affiliation with an organization that is clearly part of the problem.

thanks for posting ! the
FDR Warns of Fifth Column 1940/5/27

amazing just as this goes along with

the Eisenhower military industrial complex speech

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together. Eisenhower 1/17/61

military industrial complex

Eisenhower gave the nation a lot of clues and hints in his terms about the Evil Elite

The video You Don't want to miss it has Eisenhower's Lookalike Son and Eisenhower JR's Daughter is in this clip of a documentary, this clip has his speech as we shouldn't pay one cent more on the Defence than we have to

and his Granddaughter saying that he said once God Help Us if somebody [President] that sits at this desk that doesn't know as much about the military as i do 5 Star General! that lead the Victory of WW2

He is a Republican That knew ! about the 5th column and the Corporate corrupt Elite [the Men behind the curtain] trying to prevent what he knew would come in the Future , Enough Weapons to Kill our World 5 times Over A President that Knew it Would Drain our Country to Spoil ,
and it happened and Fundraiser wars to go with it

Another that Knew the one that was next in line a Democrat John F Kennedy that also knew and we all know on this site what happen to him and the reason and his Speech of Secret Society's

link to video if it doesn't work for you

Military Industrial Complex - Eisenhower 's warning
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you left out stalinist. so the rephrase is nazi-stalinist, which isn't hard to comprehend if you understand that the originators of those titles were actually in cahoots with each other through out the entirety of ww2

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Originally posted by m khan
The US govt has been taken over by fascist Nazis who want to depopulate the human race. The UN is just one of their fronts. They have unlimited money and the US military and govt and media at their disposal. They like to pay stupid individuals to keep up a smoke screen of confusion so the sheep don't get alerted before the slaughter. Why anyone would be sadistic enough and hateful enough to work for them is beyond me, no matter how nice the paycheck might look.

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reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It may be you who has a problem with the truth. I have posted a link from the UN describing what their logo means and it has nothing to do with Rome. I have also posted 3 links dating the start of the UN as 1945.

wiki.answers.com...
www.un.org...
www.hg.org...
www.un.org...

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Wouldnt that be similar to,
"oh what big eyes you have grandma", Yes dear all the better to see you with.

or

"I know we're just friends and I respect that, come on let's lay here together and just cuddle, you can relax, see, there doesnt that feel good,
maybe take your shirt off, I'll rub your back, my goodness your legs feel so tense, here let's try this lotion, oh let's get these tight pants off first,
and on and on and on.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

If you want to talk about Rome I believe you already have a thread for that. I think it is quite rude to continue to bring your thread here in an attempt to derail or guide this thread toward your thread. Every post you have made so far has been about Rome and not about this thread. Get with it Dude!!!!

reply to post by ghostsoldier

What an absolute racist thing to say. I am so tired of this kind of talk being acceptable. No one would accept this trash about any other race. I just don't understand where people get off saying these things. And it is on a constant basis.

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Very interesting OP
S & F

reply to post by rick1

The revised emblem consisted of a map of the world on polar azimuthal equidistant projection surrounded by two olive branches. These two symbols speak for themselves. The olive branch can by traced back to ancient Greece as a symbol of peace. The world map is a symbol of the area with which this organization is concerned in achieving its main purpose: peace.

www.un.org...

This is from one of the sources you provided in your post. In ancient Rome, defeated armies would be paraded while having to carry olive branches. In the Olympics, the winners were crowned with a wreath of olive branches.

So in this symbolism I see a fifth column. Meaning that it signifies that they are defeated on one level, and also the winners. Who defeated them and what are they going to win?

Also, there are prophecies of someone or something bringing a false peace. A peace that is not real. Just some of my thoughts on the subject.

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

If you want to talk about Rome I believe you already have a thread for that. I think it is quite rude to continue to bring your thread here in an attempt to derail or guide this thread toward your thread. Every post you have made so far has been about Rome and not about this thread. Get with it Dude!!!!

The Original Poster invited me to this thread and encouraged to tie my theories in with is and to link them, and I in fact did just that.

You are free to espouse the propaganda and dogmas put out there by the UN and the meaningless excuses they offer to explain the questions about the symbols they use, to people who actually know what these symbols really mean and are used for and why, but that is all you are doing, espousing dogma, falsehood and propaganda, simply because you want to trust in the source that puts it out there.

The U.S. Government tells it's soldiers its alright and moral to murder people, including innocent civilians in a war, that it's legal, but that does not make it right or moral, it just means the Government is fine with you doing those things for it, but of course isn't if you just did those things for yourself.

Some people like to trust in a government and institutions that obviously serve themselves and exist for their own profit and power, and believe the distortions of the truth they put out there to convince people its wise and even moral to support it.

I am not one of those people, and I frankly don't feel there is any percentage or gain to be one of those people.

Where Rome fits into conspiracies, and in fact it fits into just about every major conspiracy out there, is in fact very relevant, since it is the driving and dominant force that is responsible for carrying out these conspiracies.

Elements of a conspiracy don't cease to be rellevant because there is another related thread on them.

They are in fact rellevant because they are an ellement to the conspiracy being discussed.

To ommit a relevant and crucial piece to a conspiracy puzzle is basically just saying, I want to pretend no conspiracy exist, and not identify it in its entirety and challenge it.

That's not really what ATS is about is it?

Thanks my friend.

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Attempting to have any amount of revelation, even hoping for the slightest crack of light to shine through, is impossible, no let me reword that,
highly improbable, IF anyone continues to embrace and operate within the restrictive and scripted teachings.
It just wont happen, well, it will keep the mind occupied elsewhere that's for sure.

Start with a cage containing five monkeys. Inside the cage, hang a banana on a string and place a set of stairs under it. Before long, a monkey will go to the stairs and start to climb towards the banana.

As soon as he touches the stairs, spray all the other monkeys with cold water. After a while another monkey makes the attempt with same result, all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.

Now, put the cold water away. Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and wants to climb the stairs. To his surprise and horror, all of the other monkeys attack him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.

Next, remove another of the original five monkeys and replace it with a new one. The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment with enthusiasm.

Likewise, replace a third original monkey with a new one, then a fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs he is attacked. Most of the monkeys that are beating him have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs or why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.

After replacing all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, no monkey ever again approaches the stairs to try for the banana. Why not?

Because as far as they know that is the way it has always been done around here.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
In a follow up after thinking through some of your data. Washington is like an infested head. Full of Millionaire Lice. I can't speak to the rest of the world. But I can say that those millionaires are looking out for their interests and investments probably in China and not here at home and absolutely not looking out for the middle class Joe Sixpack.

The Fifth column is all smoke and mirrors and a crutch in which Our Government on this side of pond uses like a sledge hammer wielding it against the masses in order to carry out their agenda. ----spit!

I agree on the concept of a Fifth Column, in that TPTB are all in it together, a major force in the world, and a force that must be stopped at all costs, less we fall into the unknown night, our cries for Freedom unheard by the people. The Tea Party is a good beginning, as is
THE CONFEDERACY PROJECT.

The United States is fast becoming two countries. One side is becoming more socialist with it's ideals of the control of the means and ways of production, the subornation of the individual to the State, and a large and intrusive central government that takes more of our freedoms, our wealth, and property to redistribute to those groups and individuals that the government deems worthy of or to "right" past "wrongs".

The other side is those Americans who still believe in capitalism and personal profit, limited government, and the representative republic that the founding fathers gave us. Socialism and republican self-government, both a political and economic issue, cannot exist in the same place and the same time and sooner or later the issue will have to be decided. Since it appears that neither side will back down the only alternative to a bloody revolution is a peaceful secession of the United States with each side going it's own way. That is what the Confederacy Project is all about.

www.outdoorsunlimited.net...

America is fast moving to a crossroads, a choice that will effect millions of people and billions in real properties. This can easily be seen....

Majority Of U.S. States Join Sovereignty Movement, Assert 10th Amendment Rights

Congressman: Deport U.S.-Born Kids of Illegals

Sheriff Tells Border Towns to Start Arming Themselves

On Some Advantages of Constitutionalizing the Right to Secede (PDF)

Tea Party Movement

States want to secede from the United States

As anyone can see, a Confederacy is already being formed here. This time, the people involved are using the Law of the Land to back them on their venture, not like last time when the Congressmen walked out and the Confederacy opened fire on a Federal Military Installation. This time is a Peaceful Movement, and TPTB cannot figure out how to deal with that. They are really trying to get us all in a shooting mood, what with Arizona's new law and Texas telling their citizens to arm themselves. Even the State of Ohio has been told to arm up, but no real reason was given. I was told by a Deputy Sheriff to go armed, in the face of massive police layoffs. It is happening, and nothing will stop it ave they wipe us all out, and I dare say they will not try that.

Reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

First, thanks to the OP. This is an excellent and well researched thread (although I already knew most of it, it is nice to see someone with the patience to educate).

To PT:

Once again the Roman Empire shows its ugly head. This ties right into your thread. I absolutely agree with you on your perception of the UN symbol.

People don't realize that its no joke. This isn't like, "ooooh tee hee hee. How cute the UN wants to make a One World Government." When they lose all their liberties, when they cannot practice whatever religion they want and especially when they no longer make enough money to spend it on luxuries, that's when they will wake up and realize its too late. I see it coming. I don't think its a hazy, unclear, maybe future. I know it is abosultely clear and solid. There are a few people on this planet that weild such impressive power that there are some people that will literally refuse to believe it. Some people literally refuse to believe the existence of conspiracies altogether. You just can't argue with them. All you can do is let them believe what they're going to believe.

If Rockpuck sees you as a Catholic Italian hater, then he obviously has not read any of your threads. He doesn't understand that you talk about the ancient Roman Empire. That's his mistake for not taking the time to read and just assuming. You know what they say about assuming...


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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

I never said you were, nor did I presume to make the assumption that you thought you were friend. I'm only saying that the more you try to tie into one conspiracy, the more... unorganized.. it gets.

I understand that and as well appreciate you clarifying your thoughts on it.

The unorganization, I will agree with that, for now, is not so much a lack of coordination, with information, but the fact that I have not included all of the book references/suggestions as I could have, originally.

Nor have I pointed out different organizations which are tied into this information.

I have read ahead to the two additional pages and notice a few people have mentioned exactly one of those organizations, but I will wait until their post and your interaction with them, to clarify further, so know I will go back to it.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
IMO the biggest conspiracy of them all is Human Nature.. we are a violent species hell bent on destroying our selves. We have Globalist, who for the most part exhibit many sociopathical tendancies, dominating economies all over the World. Globalism allowed wealth to be consolidated to such high levels.. technology allows them to travel anywhere in the World.. so the wealthy are no longer bound to estates in Britain, France, Russia, USA, etc.. the billionaires of Russia want to party in London and in Dublin, and the Brits want to visit the south of France with a penthouse in Manhattan and a yacht in Sydney.

Agreed 100%.

Humans, are one of the most violent species, killing for nothing other than sheer sport.

Animals, kill as a way of instinct, for survival, mankind has to be trained to kill, and or as a reactionary measure, through pure happenstance.

When panic sets is humans do stupid things like kill to cover-up crime.

Not all of humanity but those ones who are too stupid to know better.

Then, there is the rich, upperclass, elitists, those self-proclaimed nobles.

These are men and women, born into a social class, well above all else.

And the sociopathic tendencies are hidden will within the foibles of the rich.

I will link another members thread because I fell she's hit the nail on the head.

Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work; A Review

I will let my thoughts on that end here and encourage others to read her thoughts, on her thread, and as well my shared thoughts, and feel free to comment there or here about them, because they are both relevant.

On both threads.

And I am sure she would love to hear your thoughts.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
If I were a Billionaire (or hell a very rich millionaire) I wouldn't give a damn about the local laws of where I park my Yacht. I wouldn't. I wouldn't care if I was in Indonesia, Florida, Britain or Spain .. I'd feel way to self important. And if a local law got in the way of me making money, much less having fun, I'd make damn sure my money found it's way into someones pocket to increase my cash flow.. whether that meant changing laws to bribing people.

Well, this is where you and I differ, and from the sounds of it, immensely.

I choose to obey the law, as best I can, providing I know it, no matter what.

Even if I disagree with it comepletely, an example here, would be drug laws.

While I am not for using illicit drugs I believe those laws are biased and idiotic.

But I follow them and there are two reasons for that.

One, my stepfather threatened to break my neck, at age 10 if I ever brought drugs into his home, and it was a "scared-straight" without ever doing it situation.

Two, I happen to believe, if drugs are illegal, we should not use them.

However, this is where I separate from that, I know things about the War on Drugs.

It applies to this thread too, because the entire fake war, yes, fake, is about money.

Nothing more, nothing less, nothing about the actual plants themselves.

So, that being said, I will go back to the billionaire/millionaire comment.

If I am rich, if I am poor, I choose to have the same ethics, morals, and beliefs.

I believe you and I may agree we disagree on those terms and be speaking of semantics though, because while, if and when I become rich, I will make the same, if not similar choices, while I may buy different cars, houses, and or a yatch, I will follow the laws as they are written.

The difference will be, if I choose to make money, I will do it legally.

Bribe someone so my cash-fow can increase?

Not this man.

I happen to detest bribery and or the lack of ethics it takes to take a bribe.

Know, that this is in no way a judgment of you, or your comment.

And that I still respect you, we just differ on ideals, and avenues therein.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Few.. precious few.. say no to cash. If someone offered you $10m you'd take it in a heartbeat. You might for an instance have a flaring self righteous epiphany .. but it's quickly shut down by the prospect of what that money means.

Before I go off on another tangent, I will post this thread, go read it.

Would You Accept Illegal Power If It Was Offered To You?

While not $10 million, the mentality is the same, guess it depends.

On what the money was offered for, why it was offered, and who was offering.

My ethics, morals, and beliefs are not for sale, not in selling out my soul.

Another thread you might like in this regard considering puppet dictators.

False Flag Operator, Become Sheep-Dipped Or Wolf-Dipped, and Become A Puppet Dictator?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
That is the definition of Globalism.. take what you want, where you want, how you want, when you want, and f@^ over anyone who gets in your way. Only the working class are Patriots my friend.. precious few rich people would take poverty to help their people, and to few poor would refuse a generous handout from an outsider.

Yes, "globalism" is often selfish like that, and greedy.

While I am a "globalist" through mentality, meaning I believe globally, think globally, and act globally, I do not share the ideas of those other "globalist's".

Born on a planet called Earth, I am an Earthling first, born in America, I am American, second.

Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

In other words, don't piss in someone else's sandbox, and they won't piss in yours.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
You and I .. we see conspiracies because .. no one is on our side. Who defends us, who represents our desires.. who is going to try and further our wealth, protect our way of life, defend our ideologies?

No one.

Absolutely, no one, which is why I am on my own side, and the citizens.

Those "working stiffs" who could not give a damn if Senator so-and-so had a mahogany desk, and a Tiffany lamp, in his office, which we paid for.

Often, that clashes with not only American politics, but foreign politics.

Rarely will you hear me speak of calling on the American Government for assistance.

If ever.

The Federal Government cannot defend me, because I will not allow it to do so.

But neither will I allow it to persecute me, because I know better.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Politicians serve the rich, the rich serve themselves. The Government serves the poor because the poor are to ignorant to distrust the hand that feeds them.

Of course.

Agreed 100%.

And I will bite any hand which tries to feed me, because that hand falsely believes it can tame me, and that I will wear a leash, like a mere pet.

Color me an idealist, someone who will not back down, even if cornered.

I am that man who will not only not fight, unless I deem it necessary, but who will scale the wall, and leave the dead-end alley, by using any means necessary.

Situation dictates tactics, tactics dictates outcome, outcome dictates survivor.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
The result is a portion of the population without representation, footing the bill for the poor, for the rich, for other nations and an arrogant government. this is why historically the middle class leads revolts and revolutions.. before it was the Merchant Class, then the bourgeoisie and now we simply call it "middle class".. All we are doing by looking for conspiracies is trying to understand why.. how.. who left us out in the cold.

That is a simple answer.

We left ourselves out in the cold.

By not demanding answers.

Through not researching the men and women who represent us.

And of course, by not collectively throwing their asses out of office, when caught.

As well by letting those people hold us accountable to laws they write and not holding them accountable, when they flout those very same laws.

A Tangled Web: A History of CIA Complicity in Drug International Trafficking

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I highly suggest this book for you, Rockpuck.

The Underground Empire: Where Crime and Governments Embrace

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[Page 3:] The inhabitants of the earth spend more money on illegal drugs than they spend on food.

More than they spend on housing, clothes, education, medical care, or any other product or service.

The international narcotics industry is the largest growth industry in the world.

Its annual revenues exceed half a trillion dollars -- three times the value of all United States currency in circulation, more than the gross national products of all but a half dozen of the major industrialized nations.

To imagine the immensity of such wealth consider this:

A million dollars in gold would weigh as much as a large man.

A half-trillion dollars would weigh more than the entire population of Washington, D.C.

Narcotics industry profits, secretly stockpiled in countries competing for the business, draw interest exceeding $3 million per hour.

To what use will this money eventually be put?

What will be its ultimate effect?

Though everyone knows narcotics is big business, its truly staggering dimensions have never been fully publicized.

The statistics on which the above statements are based appear in classified documents prepared with the participation of the Central Intelligence Agency and the National Security Agency.

These studies are circulated in numbered copies with warnings of "criminal sanctions" for unauthorized disclosure.

Why is this information withheld from public view?

The international narcotics industry is, in fact, not an industry at all, but an empire.

Sovereign, proud, expansionist, this Underground Empire, though frequently torn by internal struggle, never fails to present a solid front to the world at large.

It has become today as ruthlessly acquisitive and exploitative as any nineteenth-century imperial kingdom, as far-reaching as the British Empire, as determinedly cohesive as the states of the American republic.

Aggressive and violent by nature, the Underground Empire maintains its own armies, diplomats, intelligence services, banks, merchant fleets, and air lines.

It seeks to extend its dominance by any means, from clandestine subversion to open warfare.

Legitimate nations combat its agents within their own borders, but effectively ignore its power internationally.

The United States government, while launching cosmetic "wars" on drugs and crime, has rarely attacked the Empire abroad, has never substantially diminished its international power, and does not today seriously challenge its growing threat to world stability.

Why is this so?

Do the world's governments not want to eliminate this expanding source of criminal wealth and power?

Has there in fact never been an attempt to mount a truly effective global assault against it?

Has there never existed -- does there not exist today -- some hidden, unpublicized, international force struggling against the Underground Empire?

reply to post by On the Edge


Every one of those represents "subversion" of the individual.

For the whole "body" of the country.

So, through societal blackmail, we are compromised, because we allow it.

This leaves us stuck in the middle of the "Hive Mind" if we are intelligent.

And society becomes like a living mine-field which we are stuck within.

PETRA - Mine Field


Not trying to preach, the Petra song just fit what I was speaking to in relation to posting a reply to you, and the video spoke very loudly to it as well.

I would not say you necessarily are speaking out of context, so to speak, but you are posting quotes, and not speaking your own thoughts.

And I means that based upon what you have posted here, not that I have seen anything else you have posted, so far, but that is because I believe this is the first time we have crossed paths on ATS, so far as I remember.

ATS Administration encourages quoting, in small snippets, 3 to 4 paragraphs.

Like I usually do, just giving you a heads up, you might find a Moderator parsed down a quote, in the future, and wonder why and that's why.

I realize quoting book reviews may look large but I extend them to make easier to read.

I will suggest a few books for you dealing specifically with some of those ideologies.

Written by a British author, a historian, and a damn good researcher.

List of Book Suggestions :

Wall Street and FDR : by Anthony Sutton

Wall Street & the Bolshevik Revolution : by Anthony Sutton

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler : by Anthony Sutton

America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones

The Skull and Bones book is Sutton as well.

Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time

Tragedy and Hope is Carroll Quigley.

Anthony Sutton and Carroll Quigley are two men, who I highly recomend for anyone to read.

Sutton has some astounding works, and Quigley was a Council on Foreign Relations historian, and as well Quigley was a professor of Bill Clinton.

If you want a view of real history those books will definitely will give it to you.

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
reply to post by On the Edge

 

Stalin wasn't a Communist. He served Americas interest by helping to create the cold-war and polarise the world, collapse it, and create a one-world super-power. ie America.

You're talking out of context, this is what they want you to do, brainwashed by the red-scare.

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Stalin only did what he was told by the Secret Societes just like F.D.R.

The creation of the "great and might Russian bear" that was the Soviet Union, was nothing more than a way to rip that land from the Tsar's.

If it had not been for men who assisted in overthrowing those Tsar's, we would never have traded Cold War bullets, spies, and scaremongering with them to begin with, because Hitler would have marched staight into Moscow and taken the Russians over, lock, stock, and barrel.

The entire "threat" of Russia was nothing more than a ruse used to scare the world.

Build up this huge threat and through it scare global citizenry into uniting.

Against the alleged "Communist threat" and once Moscow toppled, America became the number one country in the world, a centralized world leader, with no other competition, and no one who can stop us.

And the current state of the world we're in, America, Greece, Mexico, Russia, those countries whose currencies, economies, and people who are collapsing are in for a huge surprise when it happens that a "solution" comes out.



Like the hydra of old, Congress, and as well the United Nations, will sell it.

And it will be the cashless society, which will be seen as a benevolent masterpiece.

We will not have to remember Social Security numbers, Passport Numbers, Drivers License Numbers, Credit Cards Numbers, Birth Certificate Registries.

You name it.

They number them, to number you, and you will be assimilated, as a number.

Your "political ideology" will no longer be important, it will make you impotent.

Impotent to this monstrous hydra because of its tentacles reaching worldwide.

The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy And Its Geostrategic Imperatives

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The former national security advisor is still a believer in geopolitics after all these years. Like most foreign-policy aficionados weaned on the Cold War, Brzezinski (Out of Control, 1993) has been forced by the disintegration of the Soviet Union to broaden his perspective--but not very far.

He sees the US as the only global superpower, but inability to maintain its hegemony indefinitely means that ``geostrategic skill'' is essential.

To what end is not specified beyond the vague shaping of ``a truly cooperative global community'' that is in ``the fundamental interests of humankind,'' but in this genre, goals are commonly assumed rather than examined.

In any case, Brzezinski casts Eurasia as the playing field upon which the world's fate is determined and analyzes the possibilities in Europe, the former Soviet Union, the Balkans (interpreted broadly), and the Far East.

Like a grandmaster in chess, he plots his strategy several moves in advance, envisioning a three-stage development.

Geopolitical pluralism must first be promoted to defuse challenges to America, then compatible international partners must be developed to encourage cooperation under American leadership, and finally the actual sharing of international political responsibility can be considered.

The twin poles of this strategy are a united Europe in the West and China in the East; the central regions are more problematic and, for Brzezinski, not as critical in constructing a stable balance of power.

This updated version of East-West geopolitics is worth taking seriously but it is also an amazing example of how a perspective can be revised without actually being rethought.

Sad, is it not, that it covers the globe, right under our very own noses.

Yet so many people are oblivious to it because they are so wrapped up.

They see it each day as they go to the grocery store, dial their cell phones, poke the little blue doorbell on OnStar, and get their credit checked.

Yet all of the body of this beast lies there for the slaying and they do not pick up the sword, and slay the beast that will control their every movement.

Paralyzed through stupidity these people are oblivious to the monster.

And they will see it as a beautiful creation until it is far too late to dismantle it.

1889 Herman Hollerith Census Machine by TMC which became IBM


Edwin Black : IBM and the Holocaust


IBM RFID Commercial - The Future Market


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[edit on 30-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

Originally posted by mike dangerously
The true 5th column movement are the moles that are planted within every country they are in financial companies,government and media they are sent into grass roots political groups to undermind,incite,to provoke.PT I don't buy into the new Roman Empire theory.I think that the age of power bases is over with this wireless tech and all we now truly have the age of Transnational Empire not one of the worlds major cities are major power centers any longer the Oligarchs truly operate in the shadows now.Leo,you have done great work on this thread sorry that I came into it a bit late.

but S&F as always.

PS:thanks for the invite!

Of course, mike dangerously, but those are a part of a bigger element.

An Agent Provocateur does not go into a rally merely because they want to.

They are ordered to go and do things to disrupt the flow.

Not just rallies but within countries through subversive means with funding.

And as well to do it through a means of setting up puppet regimes.

Making, what equals, a straw man, right out there to saber rattle.

If those elements, meaning various types, from Secret Societies to political parties, know they can divide people, they use that subversion to benefit.

To their own ends.

And screw us citizens in the middle in the process, in any way, shape, or form.

Not giving a damn that they are not only killing us off but doing it as population control.

Because to them, we mere citizens, are just useless eaters to them.

Nothing but pawns on the chess board called life to be thrown away and sacrificed.

We are seen as throw-away toys and expendable because they see us as vermin.

And according to those in power, they believe vermin breed, without cause.

Something I wholeheartedly disagree with 100% because I see humanity.

And I see we as citizens are greater than those in power because we can change.

While they will stay the same stagnant fools who believe they are better than us.

Over, under, around, or through, we can change everything to our betterment.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Ironic that FDR warned of fifth columnists in America, yet FDR essentially created the United Nations, arguably the greatest anti-American organization allowed to exist on American soil.

I agree with you there, Doc Velocity, the irony is not wasted.

The coup that was staged against him was just as much a fifth column movement, as what he was trying to do, and succeeded in doing.

The problem though is that if the coup Smedley Butler had stopped, succeeded, we would have had Fascist Concentration Camps across America, to match those dotting the European countryside due to Hitler.

And for those who preach Pearl Harbor was a surprise, they are mere fools, who do not study history, but listen to rote doctrine taught to numb the mind.

I have one piece of evidence most people miss completely when speaking of WWII.

The American Volunteer Group was in China prior to Pearl Harobr.

Flying Tigers and The Chinese Air Force

Quote from : Wikipedia : American Volunteer Group

The American Volunteer Groups were volunteer air units organized by the United States government to aid the Nationalist government of China against Japan in the Second Sino-Japanese War.

The only unit to actually see combat was the 1st AVG, popularly known as the Flying Tigers.

In an effort to aid the Nationalist government of China and to put pressure on Japan, President Franklin Roosevelt in 1941 authorized the creation of a clandestine "Special Air Unit" consisting of three combat groups equipped with American aircraft and staffed by aviators and technicians to be recruited from the U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps for service in China.

The program was fleshed out in the winter of 1940-1941 by Claire Lee Chennault, then an air advisor to the Chinese Nationalist leader Chiang Kai-shek, and Lauchlin Currie, a young economist in the Roosevelt White House.

They envisioned a small air corps of 500 warplanes, though in the end the number was reduced to 200 fighters and 66 light bombers.

The 1st American Volunteer Group was equipped and recruited in the spring and summer of 1941.

Some people may have heard of the from a television show which was excellent.

Baa Baa Black Sheep/Squadron TV Theme


Greg "Pappy" Boyington on "To Tell The Truth"


And of course, as "volunteer", they were essentially mercenaries.

They were actively fighting prior to Pearl Harbor, under direction from Chiang Kai-shek.

Cutting off the Japanese supply lines to instigate Hirohito into retaliating.

And he fell for the trap, hook, line, and sinker, through saving face, he guaranteed we got involved in WWII, when F.D.R. used Pearl Harbor as a pretext.

We had broken the Japanese Purple (cipher machine), but the Office of Naval Intelligence did not want to give up that particular secret, by stopping the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Meaning O.N.I., as well as F.D.R., allowed those men to die.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
I have always viewed FDR's protracted administration as the foundation of the fifth columnist movement in the USA. Interestingly, earlier presidents — including Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt — all warned of corporate entities and "shadow governments" attempting to undermine the U.S. Constitution and America's sovereignty.

I do believe many have tried to warn us, and were silenced, permanently.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Yet, when FDR publicly addressed the subject, he spoke in the past tense, as though those insidious corporate entities had already assumed control of America:

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor, other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness. Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government.
— Franklin D. Roosevelt

Personally, I think FDR was a fifth columnist, a liar, an anti-Semite, an underminer of the Constitution, an anti-American sonofabitch, and one of the founders of the modern Global Union.

God's curse on his rotten socialist soul.

— Doc Velocity
[edit on 4/30/2010 by Doc Velocity]

F.D.R. was one high-classed manipulator, using subversive means to keep one hand not knowing what the other was up to, at all times, using agencies against each other, planning, staging, and pulling off coup after coup.

This is the only way he made it to four terms as President.

And once WWII was over, the Bilderberg Group, made sure F.D.R. and Hitler would never happen again, by exerting total control over power.

No one makes it to the Presidency of America without being in their pocket.

And the same goes for those in other countries who reach exalted positions.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I see it as a simple question of whether we are going to bow down on our knees.

With a shotgun to the back of our heads or stand up and fight like a man.

We are either that coward quivering on our knees begging for mercy, the man holding the shotgun, or the man who takes the shotgun from his killer, and shoves it down his throat and pulls the trigger and delineates that we will not cower in fear, but stand for nothing less than ourselves.

Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.

Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it.

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.

Helen Keller

Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son - Music Video


Which it is we are is completely up to us but we have to make that choice.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

They say the road to hell is payed with good intentions? Perhaps, the League of Nations and later the United Nations was established for the greater good on the surface, but there may be another more sinister underlying agenda? We may not have had a world war on par with the carnage brought to bear by Adolf Hitler and aspirations of conquest in Europe and Russia, and the rampaging of the Pacific by the Empire of Japan. We now face war fought in increments, and fought in general isolation from the world. Vietnam, Afghan Soviet War, and the never ending War on Terror are some examples. The casualties from these wars combined are probably on par with World War II, or higher.

So, one of the core intentions for the establishment of the UN was to ensure war would be the last resort among nations. War is still on the tip of every politician's tongue, and at the moment, it remains quite a profitable endeavor. As we can see, war is waging as it had during World War II, and we may be on the brink of World War III if the Iran crisis goes hot. So, if the UN is an abysmal failure in terms of it's core principle, why is there a need for it in the first place?

Perhaps, just another means to usurp the sovereignty of nations? In terms of a Fifth Column and a Cabal running the show? I truly believe there is, and the UN is a decent system and apparatus that could be used by the puppet masters to phase in the NWO. So like many, I have my doubts of the UN and their candor. It seems they are more interested in societal reforms and meddling in the affairs of their member nations, rather than truly promoting international peace. As Ricky Ricardo once said, and in context to the UN, "You have some esplaining to do!" Interesting thread SKL, and keep up the good work!





[edit on 1-5-2010 by Jakes51]

reply to post by undo


I am more of a Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan but it works for me.

Only A Sith Deals In Absolutes


Do Or Do Not, There Is No Try!


Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker and Yoda vs. Count Dooku

Originally posted by kenochs
I hate to say it but this thread is confusing ramble/rant. I always find it a bit shocking that anyone who does any research would believe that the U.N. is nothing more than a bloated bureaucratic mess of a place, with grand ideals.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a necessary mess (just like democracy) but a mess just the same.
And in all actuality I'm often impressed that they manage to get anything done at all, especially in regards to sanctions against a country like Iran (because a big portion of the Sec. Council are in bed with the mullah's).
Still, when I see a thread suggesting that the U.N. is some powerhungry group of world elies, I just yawn, and can't be convinced.

Well, this is where we disagree then, because I see it as bloated a bureaucracy as most forms of Government, which rot from the inside out.

I am amazed they get anything done as well, if not for the backstabbing, undermining, double-dealing, lying, and squabbling amongst themselves.

It is almost as those within the confines of those walls are the perfect dysfunctional family.

If you go in knowing you cannot be convinced then you close your mind.

Cage The Elephant - In One Ear

Learn without thinking begets ignorance.

Think without learning is dangerous.

Confuscious

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by kenochs

 

The only reason those sanctions even get done is because the US makes it happen .. if the US wasn't in the UN they would just be a bunch of suits with their thumbs up their ass wondering what they could do to make the world filled with skittles and unicorns.

The only thing the UN has done successfully on it's own is rape children in Africa.

The problem is those people in power within the United Nations, are those people within the United Nations, they are people, who proclaim lofty ideals, meanwhile they are constantly stabbing each other in the back, undermining each other, selling out everyone, shuffling about making it look like they're doing a damn thing, when they are merely screwing around.

Pushing paper across desks, demanding sanctions be listened to, sending in troops from multiple countries, under the guise of "peace keeping".

And they do nothing because they send in people under the baby blue banner.

People, once they pass a certain level, forget where they came from, and distance themselves from that mentality, and through self-proclaimed lofty ideals, actually become everything they hated about those things they used to stand against, corruption, bureaucracy, and uselessness.

And they send in the Peace Keepers who do nothing to keep the peace.

Often attacking the wrong people, the wrong military, and or just screwing it all up, through miscommunication, mismanagement, and misfires.

If the United Nations did anything other than blow hot air out its ass I'd be impressed.

Unfortunately, that will never happen, they will never do anything.

Other than demand money, waste that same money, and demand more money.

That based upon reading, researching, and reinvesting time over and over in what it is the United Nations claims it does verses what it actually does do.

Why is it that the events of September 11th happened to the Twin Towers, and not the building of the United Nations, if not for the spectacle?

Hitting two towers side by side instead of one standing alone.

Think about that for just a moment, that the events that happened, allowed Article 51, of the United Nations charter, for America to defend itself.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Chapter VII : Article 51

Article 51 provides for the right of countries to engage in military action in self-defense, including collective self-defense (i.e. under an alliance).

This has been cited as support for the legality of the Vietnam War.

“ Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a

Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security.

Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Perhaps, to the target being America, not uniting the body of the U.N.S.C., but the American people, under it, in defense of our country?

Originally posted by m khan
The US govt has been taken over by fascist Nazis who want to depopulate the human race. The UN is just one of their fronts. They have unlimited money and the US military and govt and media at their disposal. They like to pay stupid individuals to keep up a smoke screen of confusion so the sheep don't get alerted before the slaughter. Why anyone would be sadistic enough and hateful enough to work for them is beyond me, no matter how nice the paycheck might look.


[edit on 30-4-2010 by m khan]

And yet there are those who can make a difference yet do absolutely nothing.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Right below this is all I want to say to either you or Rockpuck on your converation.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by AccessDenied

 

All it takes is one voice.

One Voice

Imagine, if we were politically aware, instead of politically correct.

Imagine, if we were responsible adults, instead of immature idiots.

Imagine, if we were socially adept, instead of socially inept.

Imagine, if we taught our children, instead of learning from them.

Imagine, if we learned our children's day by asking, instead of getting a teachers note.

Imagine, if we taught our children about politics, instead of politically crippling them.

Imagine, if we read the newspaper to our children, instead of allowing television to raise them.

All it takes is one voice.

One voice howling against the madness that is politics in a primal scream.

reply to post by Wolfenz


I believe you're referencing these two videos which are just voice but Eisenhower nontheless.

Eisenhower - Military/Industrial Complex - Part 1 of 2


Eisenhower - Military/Industrial Complex - Part 2 of 2

Originally posted by rick1
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

If you want to talk about Rome I believe you already have a thread for that. I think it is quite rude to continue to bring your thread here in an attempt to derail or guide this thread toward your thread. Every post you have made so far has been about Rome and not about this thread. Get with it Dude!!!!

I did invite ProtoplasmicTraveler to share his ideas and knowledge of Rome.

He is a wealth of knowledge and a well respected friend of mine.

If we all kept locations, ideals, and politics to one specific thread ATS would dry up.

And no one would want to post and or share their thoughts in how conspiracies happen.

America was founded on both Rome and Greece in ideals and protocols.

We have the "Senate" from Rome and many states from Greece, and as well, like Sparta, we have two "Kings", symbolic in nature, in our President and Vice-President, one who "goes to war" with his words, and policy, procedure, and protocols, and one who stays at home.

reply to post by mick1423


Thank you.

Nothing to add to the thread?

Feel free to dive right into the deep end of the pool.

reply to post by jackflap


Excellent points!