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Originally posted by ganjoa
I'll go out on a limb here and state that it appears to me as if perhaps Congress and the Executive Branch might be a fifth column according to the definition stated. Flame on
gj
Originally posted by eMachine
My first impression of the material provided...
It is possible that we, the conspiracy theorists, are (unwittingly) a "Fifth Column Movement"... that all of the information we have (whether fact or fiction) has been given to us in order to stir up dissent and/or cause confusion and chaos.
Originally posted by eMachine
Call me paranoid, but something tells me "TPTB" are prepared for the various potentials. They don't have just one plan, but many. They're not stupid. They believe they can turn almost any scenario in their favor.
Originally posted by eMachine
There is serious mainstream dissent against our governments, banks, corporations... the TV is "waking people up", they're getting fired up, but many are still not interested in personal research and critical thinking. They still want to hold onto some particular ideology.
Originally posted by eMachine
I'm not sure where I'm going with this... but it's a little frightening how unquestioning and easily-led the majority is. Personally, I am reluctant to believe anything, even my own opinions/ideas.
Which way is up again?
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The UN concept is a good idea - but it is dominated by an Anglo-American complex which completely undermines the credibility of it as an institution.
Having an international standard on human-rights, law & order, military guidelines etc etc - is a good thing.
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The UN concept is a good idea - but it is dominated by an Anglo-American complex which completely undermines the credibility of it as an institution.
Having an international standard on human-rights, law & order, military guidelines etc etc - is a good thing.
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
The UN concept is a good idea - but it is dominated by an Anglo-American complex which completely undermines the credibility of it as an institution.
Having an international standard on human-rights, law & order, military guidelines etc etc - is a good thing.
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
I like to say that sometimes you have to see the tree and not the forest.
Originally posted by endisnighe
I keep thinking about one thing and one thing only, how and why did the founders attempt to limit power and control? It keeps coming back to the single tree.
Originally posted by endisnighe
Alright, that kind of brought up a scenario in my mind.
Why war? What does war do besides devastation. It requires a country like ours, that hates governmental power, to create a bureaucracy to implement the vast structure war engenders.
Now that explains these components of the Constitution a little better.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
Posttraumatic stress disorder (post-traumatic stress disorder, PTSD) is a severe anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to any event which results in psychological trauma.
This event may involve the threat of death to oneself or to someone else, or to one's own or someone else's physical, sexual, or psychological integrity, overwhelming the individual's ability to cope.
As an effect of psychological trauma, PTSD is less frequent and more enduring than the more commonly seen acute stress response.
Diagnostic symptoms for PTSD include re-experiencing the original trauma(s) through flashbacks or nightmares, avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma, and increased arousal - such as difficulty falling or staying asleep, anger, and hypervigilance.
Formal diagnostic criteria (both DSM-IV and ICD-9) require that the symptoms last more than one month and cause significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Groupthink
Groupthink is a type of thought within a deeply cohesive in-group whose members try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas.
As defined by Janis, 1972 “A mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action”.
Individual creativity, uniqueness, and independent thinking are lost in the pursuit of group cohesiveness, as are the advantages of reasonable balance in choice and thought that might normally be obtained by making decisions as a group.
During groupthink, members of the group avoid promoting viewpoints outside the comfort zone of consensus thinking.
A variety of motives for this may exist such as a desire to avoid being seen as foolish, or a desire to avoid embarrassing or angering other members of the group.
Groupthink may cause groups to make hasty, irrational decisions, where individual doubts are set aside, for fear of upsetting the group’s balance.
The term is frequently used pejoratively, in hindsight.
Additional it is difficult to assess the quality of decision making in terms of outcomes all the time, but one can almost always evaluate the quality of the decision-making process.
Quote from : Wikipedia : Psychogenic Amnesia
Psychogenic amnesia, also known as functional or dissociative amnesia, is a disorder characterized by abnormal memory functioning in the absence of structural brain damage or a known neurobiological cause; severe cases are very rare.
It is defined by the presence of retrograde amnesia or the inability to retrieve stored memories and events leading up to the onset of amnesia and an absence of anterograde amnesia or the inability to form new long term memories.
In most cases, patients lose their autobiographical memory and personal identity even though they are able to learn new information and perform everyday functions normally.
Other times, there may be a loss of basic semantic knowledge and procedural skills such as reading and writing.
There are two types of psychogenic amnesia, global and situation-specific.
Global amnesia, also known as fugue state, refers to a sudden loss of personal identity that lasts a few hours to days.
This is preceded by severe stress and/or depressed mood.
Fugue state is very rare, and usually resolves over time, often helped by therapy.
Situation-specific amnesia is a type of dissociative amnesia occurs as a result of a severely stressful event, as in post-traumatic stress disorder.
Dissociative amnesia is due to psychological rather than physiological causes and can sometimes be helped by therapy.
Originally posted by endisnighe
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
and
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings
I find the founders absolute genius in there foresightedness to be absolutely brilliant.
Every time I think I understand all of the meanings behind the language and all of the limits they placed, I get an epiphany on what they actually intended.
Do you think that if you apply that last quote to things like FOREIGN bases, it would be Constitutional? Or if the federal government is even ALLOWED to own anything except D.C. and military bases?
Originally posted by highlyoriginal
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
S&F, good quality thread with lots of information.
What stuck out to me was the odd use of the "Fifth Column" in the show "V" - it seems the show is trying to scare America away from ET's and the act of fighting back against what you know to be wrong... Coincidence?
Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
So now anyone who doesn't agree with the Tea Party and neo-libertarian groupthink is part of a "Fifth Column"?
As someone who grew up in a nation and time period where a "fifth column" was a reality of daily life, and where political opponents were whisked away under the cover of darkness (and sometimes broad daylight), I find it absolutely baffling that people have minor quibbles over policy (and trust me, the health care mandate is MINOR when you look at the spectrum of politics outside imperial America) and then immediately jump to some huge, overarching conspiracy to consolidate sovereignty and remove nationalism.
Occam's razor would serve some of you well.
Am I right on everything?
I never said I was now did I?
U.S. Communist Party Sees Democrat Victory as Its Own
“The right-wing stranglehold on Congress has been broken,” declared Joelle Fishman, chair of the Communist Party USA’s (CPUSA) political action commission. “Electing the Democrats to control congress is a victory for communism.”
Fishman delivered her report to the committee as it discussed the results of the election. “With Democrats in charge the future of the Communist Party looks bright,” said CPUSA’s Executive Vice-chair Jarvis Tyner.
Fishman argued that the results of the election were a mandate to enact the near-term CPUSA agenda, which includes socialized medicine, tax increases, intensified regulations, and nationalization of selected businesses. Fishman thanked the women’s equality movement and the African American and Latino communities, the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, environmentalists, and other public advocacy groups for helping bring America a step closer to the communist ideal. “The CPUSA emerges from this election in a key position to lead,” Fishman said. “The Democratic leadership in the House is in agreement with key elements of our near-term agenda. The long struggle to bring communism to America is nearer success than it’s ever been.”
Erica Smiley, National Coordinator of the Young Communist League, was bouyant, “The results of the 2006 election indicate a major turning point in our struggle to communize America.”www.azconservative.org...
(Again,their words,not mine.)
"As Communists we advocate Socialism because it is the next necessary step to get to Communism. That is, it's not that we've given up on building a house, we just realize there is a need for a sturdy foundation first."
www.scn.org...
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism,but under the name of Liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program,until one day America will be a socialist nation without knowing how it happened."