The Reason for Secretive Satanic Organizations

reply to post by satanictemple


BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, I COMMAND YOU, EVIL SPIRITS, LEAVE THIS MAN AND COME NEAR HIM NO MORE.

From this point on you have no satanic power whether you call on it in secret or in plain view.



JESUS|YESHUA|SON < YHWH|YAHWEH|FATHER > CREATOR|KING|SAVIOUR

Originally posted by contrafear


christians have baptists, catholics, lutherans, methodists, presbyterians, ect...

is there no other recognized variations of satanism?

There is almost no limit to what some people call "satanic". The religious system of Thelema, established by Aleister Crowley and his early students, is often misrepresented as "satanic". Same thing with neo-paganism, and groups like the Hellfire Club, which was created more for entertainment and debauchery than for Satanism.

Satanism as an organized religion springs from the ideas of the American nihilist philosopher Anton Szandor LaVey, who established the Church of Satan back in the '60's. This group is composed of individuals who are not "devil worshippers", but instead who oppose orthodox Christian philosophy, believing that it is hypocritical. A large number of those in this category are atheists and agnostics. They sometimes utilize simplified versions of ceremonial magic, usually borrowed from Crowley, as taught by LaVey, but deny supernatural influences in magic.

Another important Satanic group is the Temple of Set, founded in the mid-70's by some who had held the priesthood in the Church of Satan. This schism was led by those who came to believe that there was indeed a personal intelligence behind satanic symbolism, but that this intelligence was not the Christian devil, but actually the deity known in ancient Egypt as Set.

Neither the Church of Satan nor the Temple of Set seem to spend much time "summoning demons". Evocation of "demons" sometimes occurs in ceremonial magic, but Crowley described such "demons" as "portions of the human brain", i.e., subconscious energies that the magician objectifies for some particular purpose. In other words, neither Crowley nor most other ceremonial magicians believe that such pseudo-entities as demons actually exist in the proper sense of the term.

Originally posted by FearNoEvil
reply to post by satanictemple

 

BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, I COMMAND YOU, EVIL SPIRITS, LEAVE THIS MAN AND COME NEAR HIM NO MORE.

From this point on you have no satanic power whether you call on it in secret or in plain view.



JESUS|YESHUA|SON < YHWH|YAHWEH|FATHER > CREATOR|KING|SAVIOUR

Is this a joke? I have a dry sense of humor, so I'm taking it as one. Just to let you know: if it's not, the "evil" spirits are still inside me.

reply to post by satanictemple

Satanictemple…..

Thank you…..your thread has provided much food for thought.

There is another member of ATS who appears to share many of your ideas about being “joined with entities”…..he is “joined” with many, many "entities". He constantly writes about ”entities” being ”on” him & ”in” him & "passing through" him.

The problem is, he doesn’t know what they are……

He vacillates between the “demon” position & the “alien” position.

In view of your knowledge in this area, I’m thinking you might be able to shed some light on this. In fact, I wonder if I could get you guys together to discuss this utilizing your knowledge & experience?

I think it would be very interesting in view of the constant discussion on ATS regarding the idea that ”aliens” might be ”demons”

And to get to heart of the matter, you might be able to determine if this member is in some sort of danger.

Here is the member:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cf3eb87f9496.jpg[/atsimg]

Here are some examples of the member’s ”demon” photos with his comments:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3da4598b29c1.jpg[/atsimg]
This is the first time this photo has been shown anywhere, basically because it was way too big. I will tell you where i found it and you can draw your own conclusions. In Jerusalem, under Golgotha in the Cave of Adam. Philosophy of Religion was my major at East Tennessee State University so my studies ranged far beyond the King James version of the Bible. I reccomend the pseudigriphia (also pseudographia) and the Jewish legends and folklore that was not included in the Bible. Adam was entombed in Golgotha below the site where Chrisr was crucified. Christ's blood seeped down through the soil and onto Adam's brow, thereby sanctifying him and freeing him from the burden of sin. I find it facinating that both "Sons" of God ended up in the same Burial site.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f5e16368433f.jpg[/atsimg]
One thing that has always bothered me is this. Jesus said repeatedly that "no one comes to the father but through me" and then we (humans) killed him. In the Gospel of St. John, Jesus says specifically that he will not ascend up to heaven (John 2: 12, 13) Having studied the atonements that Adam and Eve performed (remember they were the created Son and Daughter of God) a 36 hour payment by Jesus for our sins is not enough. If you apply the "a day with God is as a thousand years with man" than Jesus must remain dead for nearly 2,000 years to pay the judgement against mankind. When that time was served it became possible for Christ to be resurrected. During that 2,000 years, those who died had no where to go and wandered the earth while awaiting the return of the King and the Door to Heaven.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4b85f2ade7ad.jpg[/atsimg]
Hope you don't mind if i expose your entities you carry around with you. We all have them to a greater or lesser degree. Many of them congregate in popular places, especially beaches and nudist resorts. I have seen a video where a football (soccer) player was actually killed by invisible entities in a stadium full of people. Unbelievable

Here are some examples of the member’s ”alien” photos with his comments:

How many UFO's, landing craft and aliens can you find in this picture? First, Click to Enlarge, which in this case makes the picture smaller yet shows the entire picture. For best results, download it and enlarge it as much as you can.

This landing craft actually landed in my front yard, There were at least seven craft operating at the same time in a relatively small area yet they went unnoticed by the local citizenry.

I am looking forward to your comments on this interesting ”aliens” & ”demons” discussion.

Kind regards
Maybe…maybe not

[edit on 1-5-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

reply to post by Masonic Light


The majority of what you state is true. Set is akin to the devil, as Ausars brother who wanted to usurp his power. If you know Egyptian theology the same weird relationship between Set and Ausar exists as between Yahweh and Satan. Of course the Egyptians had no supreme God. A lot of what I said earlier applies in terms of Antichristian. Christianity in itself is a mockup of Egyptian theology.

Based on some of satanictemples answers I'm starting to think Mr. Mask right on many points. But the summoning of demons is not something he has to invent. It is common in pagan rituals. The rituals themselves are out there. The demons are named and this is all from books ranging from the mid 40s through late sixties. I'm not saying satanists summon demons I'm saying he didn't have to invent that information. Truth be told I'm dying to go into particulars but this isn't the right venue.

reply to post by satanictemple


Am I the only one who thinks it's hilariously ironic that you're being flamed worse by others claiming to be Satanists than by the Christians on this thread?




BTW, I'd like to thank you for putting up with my silly questions. It's not every day I get to ask questions of someone who claims to speak to demons and I wanted to get your take on some points of theology.

[edit on 4/30/10 by FortAnthem]

Originally posted by satanictemple

Originally posted by FearNoEvil
reply to post by satanictemple

 

BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, I COMMAND YOU, EVIL SPIRITS, LEAVE THIS MAN AND COME NEAR HIM NO MORE.

From this point on you have no satanic power whether you call on it in secret or in plain view.



JESUS|YESHUA|SON < YHWH|YAHWEH|FATHER > CREATOR|KING|SAVIOUR

Is this a joke? I have a dry sense of humor, so I'm taking it as one. Just to let you know: if it's not, the "evil" spirits are still inside me.

I knew you were a FAKE. You need to grow up and quit playing warlock games. Do you still play Dungeons and Dragons?


JESUS|YESHUA|SON < YHWH|YAHWEH|FATHER > CREATOR|KING|SAVIOUR

[edit on 30-4-2010 by FearNoEvil]

thank you, mr. mask, for answering my questions in such detail.

i'm definitely not looking to get into satanism. was really just curious. it's very obvious you know your stuff.

i feel like the OP was indeed trolling for would-be members (nor any offense to you, OP). the main reason i even started reading this thread is because i thought he would reveal some knowledge that was ancient, or truly unbeknownst to the public. i have a completely open mind, and satanism is one of those topics on my list to investigate for the completion of my "how the world works" puzzle. but i wasn't disappointed. the retorts were more informative than anything. i learned something. so i'm happy.

and i too think it's hilarious that the satanists flamed him harder than the christians.

reply to post by satanictemple


Dear Satanictemple,

I would like to thank you for your candid discussion on your Spiritual practice. Too many people in the world think demons are a figment of our imagination or a projection of the Shadow (Jungian Psychology). In fact they are very real and you and your fellows know this through your evocation of them, and other work. In the Christian Ritual of Holy Baptism the Candidate is asked, do you renounce the Devil and all of his Works? The Candidate is to reply "I do". So many people think this is kind of silly now in our modern age. In fact, it is not and your group demonstrates this. More people should be made aware of Satan and his goals. Then they can use their free will to renounce him or choose to renounce God. For those of you who are agnostic listen to this thread. You may wish not to take sides but as you can see the battle lines are drawn and being in the cross fire is certain death.

I renounce Satan and all of his Works and I hope others who have not done so will consider doing so now.

reply to post by Maybe...maybe not


I would be more than happy for him to join this discussion. I look forward to his comments, and hopefully to working out an understanding of what he is experiencing.

reply to post by ISHAMAGI


I would like to repeat, as I did in reply to one of Mr. Mask's posts, that I have not invented anything, but that it is not unusual in theistic Satanist circles to tweak invocations and rituals once one has practiced the art. The rituals you (and Mr. Mask) seem to be speaking of, however, are already publicly available.

reply to post by FortAnthem


My pleasure, Fort Anthem. And the flaming going on here is humorous in it a pitiful kind of way. Mr. Mask is claiming I do not have the right to speak for anyone other than myself - and perhaps he's correct - yet he rants in the name of all "real" and "true" Satanists. I look forward to the continuation of this discussion.

reply to post by contrafear


You should have known by the title that I am not prepared, nor do I think it wise, to reveal certain secrets to the public. That is, after all, the gist of title of my thread.

This thread certainly seems to get under the skin of the Fundies here. Amazing how they flock to things they do not like to stand as close as they can to tell it they do not like it. I do have a question for all of the people knocking the OP here.

The OP relates something from life experience and explains it just fine.
Christian types flock here to tell him how wrong he is. I am curious where you Christians got your knowledge from? The OP clearly states that his personal contact with what you and he call demons has gone one way. The Christians telling him that he is wrong are getting their knowledge of "demons" from....? Anyone?

reply to post by K J Gunderson


I'm not sure if I was knocking him, perhaps someone else was. But I am a Christian and fit your description. My knowledge of demons and evocation comes from when I was a member of a Golden Dawn Temple. The Bible certainly has a lot of references to Satan and Angels, so that is a good source too. Also, I have been friends with a nun who did exorcisms.

Incidentally, Satanic groups remain secret because they have more power working in secret. The more public they would become the more they would stir people over to the side of God thus defeating their purpose. Also, this might have something to do with it as well, groups build up what is called an Egregore, which is an entity that comes into existance as a result of the group mind. They have to carefully guard their membership in order to create the kind of Egregore they are looking for. That is one of the reasons groups don't let new members fully into the fold but in degrees.

reply to post by satanictemple


I'd like to chime in at this point. It seems to me from past experiences that when someone refers to tweeking invocations etc. They merely change the wording of well publicized invocations from people such as Crowley et al. Re wording an invocation that has nothing to do with an actual entity, real or imagined as part of ones own personna would result in nothing actually happening anyways.

Why is it some if not most, claim to have this deep secret knowledge, when in reality most of it is plagerized work from the recent past? Crowley spent alot of time on his theories in various forms of high magick, and for people to take it and change a few words, without understanding the workings, and calling it an origional secret is simply reprehensible.

I gotta side with most of what the masked one says here....and I'm not a big fan of his. I hope at some point rather than trying to vainly create your own "system", based on others works, you mature enough to investigate those that have gone before you. Crowley was no Satanist, and yet his works are highly plagerized by people trying to create their own diabolical form of worship. Perhaps, time spent investigating those who's name/tradition, as well as their actual workings might be time better spent. Crowley has been oft misquoted and his writings are so brilliant in so many ways, as well as subject to so many interputations, based upon ones own life experiences......a life time could be spent just upon him.

Originally posted by satanictemple
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I would be more than happy for him to join this discussion. I look forward to his comments, and hopefully to working out an understanding of what he is experiencing.

Satanictemple.....

I will U2U the member & invite him to join the thread.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by adifferentbreed


I think you are correct about many theistic Satanists. I, however, do not use any Crowley-related incantations, so your post, while perhaps applying to some theistic Satanists, does not apply to me.

reply to post by satanictemple


So to whoms ideas, theories and invocations do you borrow from? It seemed we were leaning towards Thelmic based traditions here, so naturally I chose Crowley.

Nicely done delightful Delilah, as Samson here has made a Typo Graphical Error.

You read the book, study, study, study.