The Reason for Secretive Satanic Organizations

Hello All,

I have been asked elsewhere why some Satanic religious organizations choose to keep membership induction materials secretive, and I think a short explanation here is relevant to the Forum purpose.

From my point of view, as the founder of a "secretive" Satanic organization, there is only one reason I have chosen to keep membership induction materials secret: safety of the inductees. The meditative and invocational methodologies of theistic Satanism are powerful, and are not things to be played with. Those who attempt to evoke demons without proper instruction or in a spirit of adventure/curiosity will do more damage to themselves than they know.

I can only speak for the Satanic organization I have founded. The secrets are kept not because there's anything untoward going on, but because we want sincerity and safety of and for our members.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by satanictemple]

"Sincerity" and "Safety" in the same context as "Demons"!

Good luck with that!

I'm not strictly for organized religion, but satanism? Are you f****** high?

Like above said: Safety, sincerity, and demons in the same sentence? Well good luck...

Originally posted by On the Edge
"Sincerity" and "Safety" in the same context as "Demons"!

Good luck with that!

There's a lot of misunderstanding surrounding demonology, as your post shows.

Good God , old man....wait, don't do it ....it's not too late...

Originally posted by satanictemple

Originally posted by On the Edge
"Sincerity" and "Safety" in the same context as "Demons"!

Good luck with that!

There's a lot of misunderstanding surrounding demonology, as your post shows.

His reaction is quite reasonable considering what most people believe about demons. I personally have never heard anything good about them.


If you can clear up our misunderstandings, I would be interested to hear about why you believe this can be done safely and why you would want to do such a thing.

Originally posted by satanictemple


There's a lot of misunderstanding surrounding demonology, as your post shows.

There are many unofficial grottos of "ignored Satanic groups".

As your post shows.

Originally posted by FortAnthem

Originally posted by satanictemple

Originally posted by On the Edge
"Sincerity" and "Safety" in the same context as "Demons"!

Good luck with that!

There's a lot of misunderstanding surrounding demonology, as your post shows.

His reaction is quite reasonable considering what most people believe about demons. I personally have never heard anything good about them.


If you can clear up our misunderstandings, I would be interested to hear about why you believe this can be done safely and why you would want to do such a thing.

The evocation of demons, in a respectful manner, can allow one to become "joined at the hip" with said demons, for purposes of spiritual growth, illuminated understanding, and acquisition of desires. Despite popular belief, demons are not out to kill, maim and destroy (though they certainly can and have for good reasons). If respect is shown to them, they will return the favor. I speak, though, from the perspective of a committed Satan-worshiper and demonolater.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by satanictemple]

I have been in contact with a satanic "order" or group for a few months now and they also don't want any trouble and keep most of their things in private and secret because there are some Christians that would love to hurt them or kill the because they don't like God.
The ones that I talk to are very smart people that have read the bible and have seen that "Satan" wanted to help us and save us from a pretty horrible "God" that would kill us for any reason or no reason at all and wanted to keep us ignorant. Many things I have learned about Satan and God despite being an Atheist. Many of them are more polite and compassionate than alot of the Christians that I know.

Originally posted by satanictemple

The evocation of demons, in a respectful manner, can allow one to become "joined at the hip" with said demons, for purposes of spiritual growth, illuminated understanding, and acquisition of desires. Despite popular belief, demons are not out to kill, maim and destroy (though they certainly can and have for good reasons). If respect is shown to them, they will return the favor. I speak, though, from the perspective of a committed Satan-worshiper and demonolater.

"Joined at the hip" wit a demon sounds a lot to me like demonic possession.

Do you ever worry about the demon trying to take control of you or skewing your perception of reality?

You say that the demons must be approached in a respectful manner. If someone is disrespectful to a demon, even accidentally, would they have reason to fear some type of assault from the demon?


How does the demon communicate with you and what can it do for you in the way of "acquisition of desires"?

Originally posted by FortAnthem

Originally posted by satanictemple

The evocation of demons, in a respectful manner, can allow one to become "joined at the hip" with said demons, for purposes of spiritual growth, illuminated understanding, and acquisition of desires. Despite popular belief, demons are not out to kill, maim and destroy (though they certainly can and have for good reasons). If respect is shown to them, they will return the favor. I speak, though, from the perspective of a committed Satan-worshiper and demonolater.

"Joined at the hip" wit a demon sounds a lot to me like demonic possession.

Do you ever worry about the demon trying to take control of you or skewing your perception of reality?

You say that the demons must be approached in a respectful manner. If someone is disrespectful to a demon, even accidentally, would they have reason to fear some type of assault from the demon?


How does the demon communicate with you and what can it do for you in the way of "acquisition of desires"?

Some of the questions you're asking are part of initiate material, so I cannot answer them.

In regards to the questions I can answer: possession is an option, but is not necessary. If an evocation is done properly, there are no concerns about loss of control. It is similar to a relationship with any other being. If the methods are followed, there are no concerns about mistakenly disrespecting a demon, but if disrespect is done purposefully, the demon will respond in kind.

Communication varies from person to person. Some communication is physical, with a demon materializing in the presence of the evoker. Most communication, however, is spiritual/telepathic.

[edit on 28-4-2010 by satanictemple]

Satanism itself is anti-christian all other rituals and evocations come from pagan and occult and secret societies that existed before the Bible was even dreamed of.

Guess that why to me satanists are Christian in nature. Sometimes the role of God and Satan in the Bible gets me wondering if maybe a switch was made.

All that magic was being practiced for thousands of years before a creature named Satan was commonly thought of. That's why I don't get satanists the title is all sensational. It seems like its created to get attention not to hide.

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That's interesting that you say they can manifest physically. Can you tell me what they look like? Are the scary to behold or is this another misconception?

Also, if they are not malevolent beings, why do they use the name "demon", knowing the negative connotations this word has in human society? You call your religion "Satanic", is there really a being named Satan and what is his and the demon's relationship to this world.


I have read that some believe that UFOs are actually linked to demonic phenomenon and some theories state that demons/ aliens are actually interdimensional beings. From your experience with demons, what is your take on these theories?

Everyone always wants to know about demons. Many would not have the balls to invoke them.

Basically the greater the demon the more twisted the ritual is to bring it about. Sadly a lot of the information is impossible to find now so I'm lucky I got it when I did.

Different demons are called for different desires. Whether that be sunken treasure, love, winning in war, influence, success in a venture, etc.

The most powerful demons may require animal sacrifice. These demons also require contracts usually no longer than 7years they will do your bidding in return for various favors.

As for the most powerful demon in hell who can get you anything you want. The ritual to evoke him is so gruesome and horrid I will never forget it.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
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That's interesting that you say they can manifest physically. Can you tell me what they look like? Are the scary to behold or is this another misconception?

Also, if they are not malevolent beings, why do they use the name "demon", knowing the negative connotations this word has in human society? You call your religion "Satanic", is there really a being named Satan and what is his and the demon's relationship to this world.


I have read that some believe that UFOs are actually linked to demonic phenomenon and some theories state that demons/ aliens are actually interdimensional beings. From your experience with demons, what is your take on these theories?

I can answer that I doubt satanictemple started this to give out information.

A demon if it so chooses can manifest a material body although this is rare. They would much rather speak through a medium as it costs them less energy. The physical manifestation can be scary or mundane it depends on the demons objective.

There is no being named Satan. Those traits are applied to the highest ranking demon. Demons are not malevolent per se. They don't want to be bothered unless your serious and there's ssomething in it for them. Think of them as businessmen.

High ranking demons are fallen angels, also somtimes called jinn. The alien stuff is hard to sort out. Aliens may be the offspring of offspring of fallen angels but its hard to say.

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“The evocation of demons, in a respectful manner, can allow one to become "joined at the hip" with said demons, for purposes of spiritual growth, illuminated understanding, and acquisition of desires.”

Hi satanictemple

Eventually, we will all spiritually ‘grow’ to learn that true illumination comes from a place of unconditional love and releasing ones self from the shackles of all wants and ‘desires’. No ‘help’ from demons required-- though our path is our own. Peace and blessings to you.

Wow...this is actually an interesting turn of events.
So, on a pro-christian thread, if people like SatanicTemple speak their minds, then they are bashing your religion and blah blah blah.
Buuuuut...when he starts a thread about a subject very near and dear to his heart, the christeys come a'runnin' to spit venom and condemn him.
Seems to be a little (and by a little, I mean a monumental amount) of hypocrisy up here.
Casting stones is okay, as long as it's done from a perspective of white light and love, right?
Well Temple, I'd like to learn more about what you've got going on.
If nothing else, because it's something I don't know about.
I've studied some Solomnic demonology and a bit of other stuff here and there.
I'm no mage, so a lot of it didn't make much sense to me...still found it fascinating though.


Oooookay, so I just read all the way down to the bottom of the thread...guess I should've done that first, eh?
Yeah, well, I'm short on patience these days, so color me a dumbass.
I guess not everyone is here to jump on Temple's butt and label him.
This is a good thread...

[edit on 4/29/10 by Matthew Dark]

This is incredibly naive. Now the goal is to rewrite the general meaning of a demon from malevolent to benevolent? A demonic spirit is in a particularly adverse karmic condition or they wouldn't be hanging around. Depending on the persons condition they may, for a time, benefit from such an encounter but to view it as a positive spiritual practice is misguided. There are angels and gods of higher material regions for which association is of some limited value but what you want is an association with beings who come from the purely spiritual regions, those acquainted with them or, at the least, much higher material regions. No the world isn't wrong about demons and people shouldn't be fooled into imagining they have good and benevolent intentions. The odds are very much against that being the case. Beware, the mind is a terrible liar.

Originally posted by ISHAMAGI
Satanism itself is anti-christian all other rituals and evocations come from pagan and occult and secret societies that existed before the Bible was even dreamed of.

Guess that why to me satanists are Christian in nature. Sometimes the role of God and Satan in the Bible gets me wondering if maybe a switch was made.

All that magic was being practiced for thousands of years before a creature named Satan was commonly thought of. That's why I don't get satanists the title is all sensational. It seems like its created to get attention not to hide.

Most of us realize we are using Satan as a title, not a proper name. The being whose title is Satan long pre-dates Judeo-Christianity.

Originally posted by FortAnthem
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That's interesting that you say they can manifest physically. Can you tell me what they look like? Are the scary to behold or is this another misconception?

Also, if they are not malevolent beings, why do they use the name "demon", knowing the negative connotations this word has in human society? You call your religion "Satanic", is there really a being named Satan and what is his and the demon's relationship to this world.


I have read that some believe that UFOs are actually linked to demonic phenomenon and some theories state that demons/ aliens are actually interdimensional beings. From your experience with demons, what is your take on these theories?

Their appearances vary. Some may appear "scary" to those who do not know what they are dealing in.

Demon is just a title, like Satan, for those entities opposed to Yahweh and his forces.

I hold that Satan, demons and all other deities are primarily physical in nature, though immortal. Their bodies are not like ours though, for they have the ability to "disappear" and manifest in various ways. In my experience with demons, however, UFOs have never entered the equation.