Why does Satan seem cool and God seem like a jerk?

Originally posted by randyvs

This is the product of inexperinced perception.

That's a pretty unfair and elitist statement to make. Because he presents a different point of view and/or opinion, he's less inexperienced in life? How would any of us know that just from postings on the internet? And on that matter...aren't christians supposed to "be like children before [their] god" or something? So, how can one be so experienced and yet be as a child? It just sounds like more contradiction to me.

Or just trying to turn the tables on God. Even you should know that won't work.

Why are you putting forth the "you're either with us or against us" attitude? Why is just about anyone who questions christian dogma immediately attacked and/or put on the defensive and labeled the aggressor?
Last time I checked, an atheist or agnostic never started a holy war.

Originally posted by randyvs



Trying to keep you from drinking and driving. He knows you can only handle one beer.

Well I've known a few devout christians that have killed people in drunk driving accidents. So that's not a very intelligent assessment.

Maybe he was just try'in to keep you from getting aids.

There are just so many things wrong with that statement it's hard to even begin. According to that logic, not only did god create AIDS, but he gives it to people who don't cower before him. That's just lovely...and f'n scary...and ridiculous.

You got some funny ideas.

Yeah...it's amazing what people can come up with when they begin to think for themselves...isn't it?

God dosn't hate anyone. I just relearned that one lately myself.

Except for the people he had murdered in his name...right?
*cough...inquisition...cough cough...*

I think pretty much you're full of s---.

There's that christian tolerance in action.

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
It seems that as some Christians (and members of other religions for that matter) paint the World, God comes across like a total jerk and Satan seems like a cool guy.

As Certain Christians see it:

Satan will offer you a beer, God will take your beer away.

Satan will get your girlfriend to try sexy outfits and acrobatic sexual acts, God is a c---blocker.

Satan wants the poor to get health care, God does not want to jeopardize health insurance companies' profits.

Satan wants the US to stop bombing other countries for no good reason, God wants the US to bomb more countries.

Satan likes: the Beattles, Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Dr. Dre, Nirvana, Ice Cube, and Ozzy Osborne. God likes Christian Rap.

Satan likes: NPR, CNN, and the Economist. God likes Fox News.

Satan is okay with gay dudes. God says he hates gay dudes, but he turns tricks with male prostitutes in bathrooms.

Satan says the world as we know it is in peril unless we stop polluting. God says we should keep on polluting and scientists are full of s---.

Satan thinks that every country matters. God is an American and thinks only America matters.

You're making tons of dangerous assumptions here and are transgressing powers that you cannot possibly imagine.

Mankind has been the downfall of religion and its interpretation. NOT GOD. 99% of Christians won't be making it to the gates...I promise you that. The bible is quite explicit in its depiction of the many who follow the religion instead of God and falsely claim rights to the creator. Many Christians parade around to show others just how great their faith is in comparison to others, and this in itself, is a fatal error. Mathew 6:5 is a good example of that.

Regardless, if you think that hell is going to be some tea party, then I suggest you keep up your current frame of thought so you can put that to the test. Hell isn't a place where you will burn forever...That would be too easy. Hell is a place that takes your worst fears and magnifies it by billions. If you claim that you have no fears...think again.

I am far from being Christian, although I was raised that way. I have had enough experiences to tell you that the spirit world is alive and well and can hear every word, feel every thought, and knows every crevice that lurks in your own mind in which you've forgotten.

I would really leave this alone if I were you. Trust and believe me when I say this...you've been warned.

And please, leave God out of American politics and television shows. God could never create anything that disgusting.

Much love to you and all on this thread...

[edit on 25-4-2010 by EvolvedMinistry]

Originally posted by Matthew Dark
reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint

 

That was absolutely, by far, one of the best opening posts I've read in my life.
I'm with you on this, my friend.
I'm currently on another thread regarding "god" and "evil" aliens...or "demons" as the OP describes them.
Threw out a few pretty good questions, but was met with "may g_d bless you".
Um...what is that nonsense?
Not saying I believe in the christian god/Satan dichotomy, but honestly, given the choice between sides...it's fairly evident which I'd choose.
Sit on a boring cloud and praise some ego-driven, bad-attitude, whinging, sore-loser, emo kid, or have an eternity-long kegger by the lake of fire with beautiful devil girls and all the veggie burgers I can eat?
Yeah...tough choice.

Wow. Just wow.

Boy, you somehow have a romanticized view of evil that comes from where??? Movies??? Television??? Bad Vampire novels??? Twilight???

You need to put down the crack, realign your motives in life, and correct your malfunction. If I were you, especially when I have no idea of the power of the spiritual, I would back off of my ego and then apologize to the powers that you've transgressed.

You're going to find out that this stuff is far more real than you could ever imagine.

GOD BLESS YOU. I know that you resent this statement, but, I feel it necessary to say it. Not for me, but for you.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not even Christian. I am just a spiritualist that has had more than enough experiences to realize what you've done to yourself by making such an irrational statement on this thread.

And much love to all...

Originally posted by DOADOA

Originally posted by Northwarden
However many points you might be making, your OP is disrespectful and disgusting. I'm sorry your perspectives are so warped, even though I know how you mean things.

One more time, The devil rules culture, and gets scared when we categorize and trend it in terms of its evil effects on humanity. Sidestep culture.

God is perfect, there is no other perspective from which to accurately begin a sound understanding. From perfection all things fall into their place, every justice, every knowing that presents itself against Him, and no one is the wiser while they're still in the woods about how things really work.

There are physical enemies, and there are spiritual ones. It's profoundly better to focas on the spiritual ones, because the physical leaders, as nexus points of spiritual darkness, keep us captive. If you can find it in your hearts to pray for evil leader, to free them from possession, then perhaps you have found some wisdom in this life. It's what you make of it.

watch.pair.com...

oh yeah? then why do religious people have " beware of dog" signs on their fences instead of beware of god? why do religious people get medical treatment when they clearly think god decide when they go? why do catholics force people to convert before marriage when god gave us free will? why do god hate homo yet your leaders are pedophile? if the pope is so holy how come he doesn't have magical powers? if god is so giving how ocme churches need donations?

if satan is so evil how come he never says a damn thing? if satan is so evil hwo come god is always attacking him? how can satan be evil if he never does anything to anyone? satan don't ask for your money, he doesn't make you waste your sundays. he doesn't threaten you with hell, he doesn't lie to your kids about heaven.

if there was a war between heaven and hell i'll fight for satan.



[edit on 22-4-2010 by DOADOA]

You'd better go back to sleep, apologize for the nightmare that is this post, then re-awaken, and hopefully, God will have blessed you with a bit more common sense.

But, I guess you can't even lead a horse to water these days.

I hate to see this type of confusion in people. They have no idea what it is that they are saying.

Much love to you and all...

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


Again I state for the record, what about us that do not believe in just one god, but many, which God are we supposed to be cowtauing to....???

Your are as entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine and your posts seem to be condemning all who don't believe as you do.. If that is not the case I apologize, but I thought this site was for civil discourse and not shoving one's ideals down another's throat just because you do not agree.

If that is what worshiping the Christian God is all about, I'm glad I don't.

Your god is love? Really? Satan isyour boogeyman? Are You sure?

Eze 9:5-6 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old [and] young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which [were] before the house.

Exd 12:29-30 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that [was] in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

Lev 26:21-22 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your [high] ways shall be desolate.

Deu 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: etc.

I put etc. at the end of this last one, since your god really does go on and on and on about all the horrible things he will do to you if you disobey his laws and I simply didn't have the posting space to fit it all in. Suffice to say that none of the satans are what you should be worrying about. You should be worrying about what your god will do to you, if you have not lived your life strictly by the laws set out in the Old Testament. Where you got this notion of your god as the embodiment of love is beyond me.

There's no need for you to tell me to take the quotes above in context. I know the context of every one of these quotes. I have a masters degree in ancient near eastern religions. I do know the awful context these quotes are in.

So, if I were you, I'd spend less time telling people that they are too stupid to understand your god properly, that they are damned to an eternity of torture, and spend more time worrying about just how damned you are by your own beliefs.

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry

 

Again I state for the record, what about us that do not believe in just one god, but many, which God are we supposed to be cowtauing to....???

Your are as entitled to your beliefs as I am to mine and your posts seem to be condemning all who don't believe as you do.. If that is not the case I apologize, but I thought this site was for civil discourse and not shoving one's ideals down another's throat just because you do not agree.

If that is what worshiping the Christian God is all about, I'm glad I don't.

I'm not Christian. Therefore, the idea that I'm worshiping a Christian God actually amuses me.

And, I'm not condemning anyone. That's not my place. I am merely warning people that there are powers outside of their sphere of consciousness that hears and understands every word that comes out of their prideful mouths. I don't care what religion that you believe in (personally, I don't ascribe to religion), but, I do know about the Universal consciousness that can be described as none other than GOD.

It is not vengeful (it will let you dig your own holes), its not prideful (if you never know who the creator is, you'll figure it out next time around) and its non-judgmental (again, you reap what you sow).

However, you'd be surprised what having so much pride and insolence does to your own Karmatic wheel. And, that's what I am warning people about.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


Well Being bad can be more fun! Have you ever heard Xtian Rock and Roll? It is truly bad. Hot gospell is fun but is very much a frowned on form of Xtianity if you are high church.

reply to post by Matthew Dark

Or just trying to turn the tables on God. Even you should know that won't work.

This constitutes an attack ? You can not be serious ?

Last time I checked, an atheist or agnostic never started a holy war.

Significance?

Why bring jihad into this?

There's that christian tolerance in action.

I 'm so humiliated. I guess.

Evolved

Mankind has been the downfall of religion and its interpretation. NOT GOD. 99% of Christians won't be making it to the gates...I promise you that. The bible is quite explicit in its depiction of the many who follow the religion instead of God and falsely claim rights to the creator. Many Christians parade around to show others just how great their faith is in comparison to others, and this in itself, is a fatal error. Mathew 6:5 is a good example of that.

I think your percentage may be a little high. I would also point out that should read claimed Christians. As there are many claimed Christians
who really arn't Christians at all. Though what you say may be mostly
true. Your mistake would lay in your under estimating the power of the blood. He shed his blood that we ALL might be saved.

if there was a war between heaven and hell i'll fight for satan.

This does qualify for not knowing what you're saying.

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It's simple...

"satan" = exactly what hardcore extreme "constitutionalists" Americans want...

IE : I do what I want, when I want, how I want. Screw my neighbor, screw government, or anyone else who gets in my way... It's all about me, me, me...

"god" = the other extreme...

IE : Turn the other cheek, forgive, live together and share everything (own nothing)... It's all about us, us, us with a focus on "god" and what he/she wants...

To me, they are both BS and this is why I mix moderate selfishness with moderate humanity...

Extremes, no matter what side you are on, is extremely dangerous...

Magnum

Extremes, no matter what side you are on, is extremely dangerous...

reply to post by Magnum007


No no no, God becomes dangerous when you go against him. It is
also dangerous/precarious not to follow his laws and his word.

I say this to remind myself also.


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reply to post by satanictemple

GOD PROSECUTES HUMANITY NOT SATAN. Satan does not hand out judgement, your god does. Satan is not a prosecuter, he is just the jailer. He takes what your god sends him. Knowing what Satan is going to do with them, it hardly resembles anything to the contrary of what you state about Satan to still willingly send them to him. Obviously your god does not like humans or he would not prosecute them and send them off to the worst punishment imaginable. - Satanictemple

Evil spiritual forces pretend to be their leader in any circumstances they choose, and in a way they do think with the mind of, as they are in the spirit of the antichrist. God's judgements are fair and righteous, when they arrive. They are in the form of a father who loves His children, or as a wrathful storm - that all depends on the individuals involved, how sinful or obnoxious the crimes, the circumstances and history of the situation, and a thousand other particulars. Satan is the accuser of the brethren, and constantly accuses man before God, over anything. He and his forces don't care overmuch if a man is sinful, they will even "befriend" them although this too is delusion, for they are no friend to mankind even if they pretend so. They will seed the worms of corruption in a human, whose appetites are never quenched. It's a false friendship which "rewards" with any wild compulsion, degrades self-control, undermines discipline, re-arranges priorities and hides higher or noble aims, and in the end awards with complete freedom from your concience. This may include an overemphasis on, say, the more municipal virtues of punctuality and work ethic to make low ideals stricture and shut out anything greater. Satan is ever a prosecutor, and we who know God prosecute the fraud and his forces back into his place without much compassion. Our prayers are answered, but it takes a willingness to not partake in the sins we have become aware of, through the Word of God, which have been blessed because they represent His aims. Even while they were penned by humans, the Holy Spirit of the Lord works within the body of Christ, and outshines dark moral thought on every front. It's up to us to free ourselves of sin, or else we have to accept the truth of Satans prosecutions as truth, because we failed to resist temptation, and fall into darkness ourselves because we allowed it in our lives. How can you describe these matters unless you are, to a healthy degree, free of the problems Satan and his followers present?

God loves us, and will help those willing to turn from evil, delusions, and to seek His peace.

God in the Bible is a tyrant.

God is in control. Mankind, controlled by spiritual forces of darkness, is full of tyrants. You don't deal with tyrants with a gentle hand, "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart". Hebrews 4:12

Tyranny is of the devil, if you read back to the days of Moses, God did not even want a king over man, he sought a true theocracy, where all men were holy and communed with God. He relented, and gave the people a king over them, because they were ornary (or too sinful for close communion) and would not have it otherwise. That was God, respecting peoples free will, even though He knew better. Consider again, did God really support absolute power over man, from man? Of course not. He wanted man to respect His power, which is to say, balanced scales; no aquitting the guilty or accusing the innocent, and a peace among brothers and sisters. watch a community that declares itself a theocracy under Him, and watch it prosper and find true harmony!

Unfortunately, not only does God also not seem to care - he punishes us on top of it for it.

He cares, but until people listen to the gentle voice within, and stop letting it be drowned out by the shrieks and screams of foolishness, or give it time for due process which does not cut off the truth prematurely, we will not find out past that which is righteous judgement upon us, for those who persist in all manner of foolishness and depravity, and support the efforts of the accursed. The accursed as seen from heavens light. So judge yourself, not each other, and end all the wars within

reply to post by randyvs


hehehe... good one...

Magnum

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


This isn't a conspiracy post, but a religion-bashing one, and thus in violation of the section. Where is your "conspiracy"?

If you really want an answer, I will add the conspiracy for you; you have been manipulated by one that's been doing it for a long time now, and you bought the propaganda.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


Well, it's not really propaganda, since the adherents of the bible far outnumber the satanists. If there is a great deception, which way around is it? Could it be that YOU bought the propaganda?

This is the dumbest Fing thread I ever read! Classic stoner or drunk with anything goes attitude.

Probably because God actually cares and has rules unlike satan who wants you stoned drunk and unconcious of your awareness so he can steal your soul.

and btw.

Satan hates your guts. He's graceless which means hes full of hate. Whoever lied and said he cares for anything let alone a country is a liar.


My mom let me do anything I wanted because she didn't care.

My dad had stirct rules because he actually gave a damn and I respected him more.



Beer sucks! It taste like crap and ruins lives//


and the sad part is 12 stars from more rebellious people with their little hell yea attitude who cofirm their rebellion more.


Bye.

peace

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One more thing.

Screw beer. Screw sexy outfits. Screw drunkeness and stoned and high and all those things that ruin lives.

I don't need that BS to have a good time.


I need our heavenly father. Way better than a substance that pollutes your brain that attempts to bring a smile to your face.



Just like the human race to rebel like little teenage brats.

sorry OP but the OP was wack and immature. And yes us christians are allowed to vent too.


peace.

[edit on 25-4-2010 by JesusisTruth]

reply to post by JesusisTruth


Sounds like a bunch of "I wish I could hang with the cool kids but I can't so I'll hate them instead" kind of whinging to me.
Look, I can't speak for anyone else up here, only myself.
And for myself, I can honestly say that I don't believe in your concepts of Satan and god.
So, if you want your imaginary friend to love me, cool.
If you want your imaginary enemy to hate me, cool.
If you want your imaginary enemy to love me, super cool.


reply to post by LadyGreenEyes


It's cute that for someone who preaches love and tolerance, you seem to have marked a lot of people as your "foe".
Is that just another example of christian love and tolerance?
Seems awful hypocritical...which is what I'm guessing your ilk is good at.


[note: edited...just because.]

[edit on 4/25/10 by Matthew Dark]

Lol no.... I don't hate anyone. They aint my foes. I'm venting. I'm not a robot. I vent at my own brother, yet I love him to death.


" hang with the cool kids "

No they are misguided not cool to me. anybody who wants to get high drunk and all those things aint cool to me. And btw I grew up ruthless. In gangs, alternative schools. they are cream puffs to me... Just my opinion.


But anyways,

" imaginary "

that should be vented at because you've already given him no chance of existence which will be your downfall during WW3 and this new age coming upon earth.

peace Matt..

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