Freemason Knights Templar meeting here in Italy 2 days ago, changed my life...

Originally posted by Northwarden
I'm actually doing the respectful thing by not answering you.

But you then take the time to make vague and ambigious comments.

Why not be open?

Open about what?






[edit on 1-5-2010 by AugustusMasonicus]

And Freemasons don't serve two Masters. The Worshipful Master of the Lodge is just a title. Worshipful = respectful, we don't worship the Master of the Lodge. And have you ever called someone Mr.? If so you have called them Master as that is where the word is derived from.

Here is a basic description of the 1st Degree Tracing Board:

- The blazing star (the ladder leads up to it), the clouded canopy, and star decked heaven are a representation of Heaven (the after-life).

- The ladder is a representation of the ladder which Jacob in his vision saw reaching from Earth to Heaven. The 3 symbols on the ladder are symbols of faith, hope, and charity.

- The Holy Writings at the base of the ladder is there to remind us that the writings are God's gift to man as the rule and guide of our faiths. The compasses teach circumspection.

- The square teaches morality, the level equality, and the plumb rectitude of life.

- The 3 pillars represent the top 3 leaders of the Lodge as well as the emblematic pillars: wisdom, strength, and beauty.

- The checkered floor is emblematic of human life, checkered with good and evil.

- The borders/skirting around the picture are emblems of the blessings that surround us and which we hope to enjoy by a faithful reliance upon Divine Providence.

And to those who think I'm giving away Masonic secrets...I'm not. This is public information and the meaning behind these symbols is not something that is new.

The picture wasn't that good so I couldn't really see the point within the circle. Where do you see a pyramid? You're putting things in the picture that are not there. Plus, this is just one rendition of the 1st degree tracing board. Also, where is it written that these stars represent the Heavenly bodies you posted?

Now, you're tying Hiram of Tyre to Lucifer? Who isn't Lucifer in your mind? Plus, Lucifer was a disgraced Babylonian king, originally called Helal.

You're a Master?

reply to post by Barkster

Anubis?

reply to post by Northwarden

So how many Fortune 500 Company board meetings do you go to? They are private, just as our Masonic meetings are.

Maybe you'd be willing to give us your bank account number, routing number, social security number and so forth?

Originally posted by Barkster
reply to post by network dude

 

Hey Dude you should know the bible says you cannot serve two masters at once.

Good to know... So I can serve God himself, and ignore that Jesus chap, right?

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typical blather Im well aware of the teaching you have posted its the fundemental firsties teaching.. Glad you know your firsties sigster.
anyone that knows anything about the mystery schools knows the king of tyre was a lucifer type and channeler there of.. Every great work like the tower of babel, solomons temple, even the pyramid of giza, the second great work, its the same story over again. mystery schools are about, like solomon did, binding and losing spirits/demons. but hey if you don't know about it it must not be true so. another great high leveler. wanting in wisdom and knowledge. If you are Christian and are part of the most diabolically compartmentalized religion of satan than you are serving two masters. Thats a no no in christianity. anymore emotional half reasonable remarks? oh im sure you do. btw Yes I am a Master. A master of my own eternity.

[edit on 1-5-2010 by Barkster]

LOL so I have put a test to the all knowing high level masons here, but no one is stepping up, why? I know why, you lack the ability to actually research on your own. blue sheeples. I'm already tired of this so I quit being nice and will answer only which I wish. or those that can answer my question.

Originally posted by Barkster
LOL so I have put a test to the all knowing high level masons here, but no one is stepping up, why?

Apparently none of us are "high level" masons. The description Ksig gave for the 1st degree tracing board is the same information that I have.
So I guess I am a lowly uninformed 32nd degree pee-on.

I know why, you lack the ability to actually research on your own. blue sheeples. I'm already tired of this so I quit being nice and will answer only which I wish. or those that can answer my question.

perhaps a break from the board, or the medicine, or both would help with the mood.

Originally posted by Barkster
I'm already tired of this so I quit being nice and will answer only which I wish.

What a lame cop-out.

or those that can answer my question.

What question?

Originally posted by Barkster
Who is the first great Master Mason and beginner of Masonry?

To Christians, it is God, who created the universe. We Masons refer to him as the Grand Architect of the Universe because He made all that is. Different peoples have different myths, legends and traditions, which is why Masonry uses this somewhat generic descriptor... They all have different names for he who has no name... "I am that I am," He told Moses.

But the answer you're probably looking for is Khurum, Khairum, Horus or Her-Ra Khurum AKA "Hiram".

[edit on 5/2/2010 by JoshNorton]

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Like I said, it was a basic description. I could expound about my personal interpretation but I don't have the time right this minute.

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Its obvious you havent read my posts. I will not bother with those that constantly try to pick at my post with questions yet have nothing to input of value. Try going and researching topics I bring up and see if you can understand why Im posting what I post. If you have an argument show me how Im wrong not with the teaching of the first three dergrees. Because that where, like I told you I know you are in error because of what Pike wrote in the KK.
Yes I am lame ty I lamed my back a few days back and my patience isnt what it should be so I will return when I can and play nice.
Looks like I got repremanded for being to fiesty. LOL
I wonder if that moderator is a Mason.
uhh oh is that gonna cost me another 1000 points ,lol.
Like I said lets discuss. Im here to discuss what I put forth. Qouting the first 3 doesnt sway me so comon guys. You are suppose to Masons, the quest is the Grail, the cup of great wisdom. They put the symbols there so you will question and seek beyond what they provide. Thats how you ascend to the grail and to the 33rd if thats your desire, which should be as it is the quest for enlightement that is at the very root of masonry and thats wht truly the 33rd represents the beginning of.. Why? Because while there are still very talented stone masons and builders, In the New World you are Builders of something else even greater than a pyramid or temple, though you will build one soon.
I am here and I outright quote lines and in my own words I mix the words your most revered writings and authors/founders and none of you can catch them.
Josh, You are lumping all Gods together you cant do that. The All Seeing Eye is not My God! The all seeing Eye is symbol for Osiris/ horus epic. It starterd with Atum and since he had children the symbolism and supposed traits of it wher handed down. Osiris and Horus are never ending cycle back and forth in pharonic legend. The God of your lodges is the god of all pagans that has had many forms throughout the ages as Osiris is the Underworld God and the theme of O-H is carried on even in our capitol building. Where the apotheosis of Washington after death is deified. But if you will check closely you will wee that he is indeed deified into Osiris god of the Underworld.

The fact that your lodge says that a Christian can call him that should be an outright blasphomy to Him. Thats why when the Israelites allowed foriegn symbols to be placed in and around the temple of Solomon the Lord got pissed and allowed the Israelites to led into captivity. He says He is a Jealous God and will have no other god's before him. To the Christian that is learned, He or She Knows better.
Can any of you tell me the ceremony that takes place in the Capitol in a side room just before a presedent is inaugerated. You should be able to its a masonic one.

[edit on 2-5-2010 by Barkster]

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well I await you returning when you have time then.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Northwarden

I trust your secret society zilch. Why not be open? Of course you know why.?

Open about what?

Of course, secret societies are not secretive for any useful purpose. They just like to scratch each other's backs in the intimacy of their charitable mens' club. It also has nothing to do with usurping democratic rule, making a farce of individual freedoms or perpetuating a secret government. And we all know that there is no relation between Masonry and Skull & Bones (in the "baby blue" lodge).

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Open about what?

NOTHING, obviously.


THE FORBIDDEN SECRET

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[edit on 3-5-2010 by Getsmart]

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They aren't open because they don't know. What they don;t understand is that the initiate rite is based on ancient Dionysus and bacchian rites of losing and binding. They have been bound by spiritual forces and they arent even aware of it. Even the32nds and 33rds couldnt change thier minds about the symbols, they are locked in.
Thats why Pike said, of the blue degrees--".… It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept.
They have to discover the truth on thier own thats the Idea. Then they after learning the truth of what the symbols really mean, if they stay in masonry are the ones that reach up the ladder to the place where they are prime candidates for the 33rd. The 33rd is invited because of achievmments in ascending and the choice thereafter.

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Since this thread is about Vinny's alleged experince in Italy I do not wish to derail it further as we all eagerly await his return.

It seems that you are of the opinion that 33rd Degree Masons somehow hold sway over the rest of the Masonic masses. Please enlighten us on this thread dedicated to that topic of why you may feel this to be the case.

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YOu are right Augustus and I apologize to Vinny. I will start a new thread

Originally posted by network dude
Apparently none of us are "high level" masons. The description Ksig gave for the 1st degree tracing board is the same information that I have.
So I guess I am a lowly uninformed 32nd degree pee-on.

I know why, you lack the ability to actually research on your own. blue sheeples. I'm already tired of this so I quit being nice and will answer only which I wish. or those that can answer my question.

perhaps a break from the board, or the medicine, or both would help with the mood.

Hi Network Dude,


It appears that there might have been a deception perpetrated against the Blue Lodges. However, don't be miffed: deceptions have been and are continuously being perpetrated against the whole of humanity. Most of us have become used to it, but we weren't led to believe ourselves to be insiders. Rank and File Freemasons may well be more victimized than the of us, so we shouldn't be so harsh. I make this comment to my own intention, as I've been overly harsh in the past.


Here is a quote from David Icke's Reptilian Archives. It sources a great deal of information, and whether or not you respect or acknowledge the subject being researched, mention is made in passing to the possible deception of Freemasons, up to the 32nd degree, by a small group of string pullers at the top.


"Dennis Brunnell, John Todd and in fact millions of former Communists, realized that there was an incredible contradiction between what these world socialists were telling their "followers" and what these inner elite were actually practicing. The connection we make between Illuminism and Communism (which is still very strong in mainland China) is no coincidence, as both are socialist movements. Also, according to well known geo-political analysts such as Dr. John Coleman, Karl Marx himself had known ties with 33rd degree Masonry and the Jesuit Order..."


"According to Dr. John Coleman (World Intelligence Review., Box 426., Metairie, LA 70004), the ancient Babylonian Serpent Cult, or what is known today as the "Illuminati" (33rd degree Freemasonry) is under the direct control of some very nefarious forces. Coleman in fact provides much evidence that 33rd degree Masonry has been used not only to infiltrate and take over many political, economic and religious institutions, but has also been used to "create" such institutions as well, organizations to which people will flock and submit their power and energies to unknowingly serve an agenda that they know nothing about. This was and is carried out through the 22 "Palladium" Lodges which, according to various sources, can be traced back to the Grand Masonic Lodge in England.


According to Coleman and many others, the Grandmasters of Masonry AND of Jesuitism (ie. the Illuminati) are working together in this conspiracy. In many cases the individuals involved are both Jesuits AND Masonic initiates. Such was the case of Guisseppi Mazzini, who was a Jesuit-Mason, and a satanist-witch to boot, and was second-in-command to the Masonic "Pontiff" Albert Pike - whose rotting remains now lie beneath the "House of the Temple" in Washington D.C. (see Dr. Coleman's tapes: CONSPIRACY CULTS AND THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, and FREEMASONRY AND THE ONE WORLD CONSPIRACY).


Other works that may be very revealing along this line, as we indicated earlier, are the writings of former 33rd degree Mason and former Past Master of all Scottish-Rite Masonic bodies, the Rev. Jim Shaw. This is especially true with his book THE DEADLY DECEPTION (P.O. Box 884., Silver Springs, FL 32688). In this work Mr. Shaw exposes the blatant SERPENT worship secretly taking place within the Masonic HOUSE OF THE TEMPLE in Washington D.C. Mix this with the accounts of "Masonic" street-outlays built into Washington D.C. itself and accounts of tunnels beneath the city which connect many of the important Federal buildings and which allegedly extend to extreme depths and distances, then you have a recipe for something very strange and sinister which is undermining our nations capitol."


While this doesn't directly demonstrate a connection between the Knights Templar and Freemasonry, it shows that there is indeed a connection between the higher levels of Freemasonry and the Occult Babylonian Mystery Religions which were revealed to the crusading Knights Templar during their occupation of Jerusalem and later integrated into their Order.


Is it just a coincidence that the top Tier of Masonry and the Knights Templar share cultic practices and avowed vocation of global manipulation ?


It would be most interesting if Vinny could return to tell us more of the Keys of Knowledge which he apparently held in his hands during the meetings in Italy. While he honorably stated that he would not tell all, he wouldn't hurt anyone if he were to at least give us a few ambiguous clues.


GS

Originally posted by Getsmart
Other works that may be very revealing along this line, as we indicated earlier, are the writings of former 33rd degree Mason and former Past Master of all Scottish-Rite Masonic bodies, the Rev. Jim Shaw. This is especially true with his book THE DEADLY DECEPTION (P.O. Box 884., Silver Springs, FL 32688). In this work Mr. Shaw exposes the blatant SERPENT worship secretly taking place within the Masonic HOUSE OF THE TEMPLE in Washington D.C. Mix this with the accounts of "Masonic" street-outlays built into Washington D.C. itself and accounts of tunnels beneath the city which connect many of the important Federal buildings and which allegedly extend to extreme depths and distances, then you have a recipe for something very strange and sinister which is undermining our nations capitol."

Shaw's fraud has been exposed in depth.

Edit: Furthermore, the rest of your post is equally laughable. Marx was an atheist and wouldn't hang out with Jesuits; The Illuminati have nothing to do with the 33° of the Scottish Rite; the Illuminati have nothing to do with the Jesuits (Bavarian Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt's anti-Jesuit leanings have been shown again and again by historical document...) All said, there's not a credible bit in any of that quote from Icke's forum. Sorry to disappoint you.

[edit on 5/7/2010 by JoshNorton]

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I appreciate the way you communicated that to me. And I am sure David Icke has some good well though out ideas. But when someone who has never been a mason tries to tell me all about what "they" are doing behind my back, is sounds an awful lot like if I told you the following. (please note that none of this is true or even my opinion)

Your father never loved you. In fact the guy who you think is your dad, is just some guy who married your mom. Since your real dad was a deadbeat and a drunk, your mom thought it best to never tell you any different.

Now, since I have never met your family, no you, how would I have any right whatsoever to tell you those things? Right. I wouldn't. I would be doing nothing but spreading hearsay that is at best third hand information. It isn't exactly the same thing, but as much as masonry means to me, when you spread lies, (weather you meant to or not) it is about my family. My brothers. So I would ask that you do me the courtesy of at least promoting first hand information when informing me about "the top dogs" trying to use me and abuse me. No mason I have ever met, has been anything other than what I expected. I am sure there are a few dorks out there who use the fraternity to gain stuff while not really caring about what it represents, but none I have met to date. real or online (imaginary as my wife claims)

I don't want to discourage you from seeking truth wherever you might find it, but please understand that truth is absolute, and lies and plentiful. make sure you know which one you are using.

[edit on 7-5-2010 by network dude]

Hi Network Dude,


This book is about the Scottish Rite, so if you are York Rite it obviously would be pointless regarding your own obedience.


Freemasonry Rituals from the 1st to the 33rd Degree


Regarding not being entitled to examen or discuss an organization of which we are not ourselves members, accepting only First Party accounts means you should ban the profession of Historian unless they can prove they are Time Travelers.


All individuals endowed with a mind to think with are entitled to examine organizations of which they are not themselves members. I have studied the Nazi regime quite a bit and this helped discover the many between them and the Illuminati, which some dare say hasn't existed since the early 1800's. Regarding Freemasonry, I consider myself a contemporary historian. After all, most of what we know of history comes from those contemporary to events who shared their insight and thoughts.


If you'd like, I can share other elements regarding the weight of Masonic oaths on individuals who one day denote a serious issue with their conscience. Let me know.


GS