Freemason Knights Templar meeting here in Italy 2 days ago, changed my life...

My family has roots in masonry. Since i was a kid i was flat out told that masons were linked with the knights templar.

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That makes 14% of posters Masons. Statistically, that is pretty damning. What percentage of ATS posters are Masons do you think? less than 1%? Probably.

No matter how you cut it, attacking a person like this without any proof is just bullying. I don't care for Bully's.

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If you can't laugh at yourselves, who can you laugh at

Originally posted by Blaine91555
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That makes 14% of posters Masons. Statistically, that is pretty damning. What percentage of ATS posters are Masons do you think? less than 1%? Probably.

Probably. But that's not the point. We're here, and we're outnumbered, but somehow we're the ones "ganging up".

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I'm not entirley certain your trying to be a punk about the satanic crap or not, but call it what you will! Yes, same "fallen one" going by the name Apollo, but is it a wacked out cult... No!!! If you look at different cultures and religions beside Christianity then you would know that he wasn't such a bad being just the balnce on the spectrums of good and evil so he is integral to the whole of the world belief system. It's just a thing we have a flower and colors too and a coat of arms. The truth be told!!! No worship involved!

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Blaine91555
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That makes 14% of posters Masons. Statistically, that is pretty damning. What percentage of ATS posters are Masons do you think? less than 1%? Probably.

Probably. But that's not the point. We're here, and we're outnumbered, but somehow we're the ones "ganging up".

Considering your claimed minority status, don't you agree that you've (collectively) have added rather a lot to these 23 pages? Certainly more than 10%. I'm not going to count, but i'll claim half!

You continue to betray yourselves.

Originally posted by harryhaller
Considering your claimed minority status, don't you agree that you've (collectively) have added rather a lot to these 23 pages? Certainly more than 10%. I'm not going to count, but i'll claim half!

Indeed, we've added a lot.

It was a Mason who discovered what the heck the OP was even talking about...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And a Mason who admitted there's no secret that there are Templar orders within Masonry...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
which seemed to come as a surprise to some people.

I am going to call into question your made up statistics.

I would suspect that a large number of your families have or have had Masons in them.

Also - how is it news to someone that some Masons self-identify with Templars? I've known that since I was 13, and before my father even joined. How on Earth is this news to you? You joined an organization without even the most modest of research into them? Seriously? In this day and age? You have the capacity to read, and didn't choose to do so?

Originally posted by JoshNorton
Indeed, we've added a lot.

Careful there, i can include quotes too, perhaps not as flattering as "your" lot.


peace

Hmm...

Twenty-three pages later and all I can think is "I hope the OP spends some of his time in Italy seeing Italy and waits til he gets back stateside to bother with this thread."

My opinion? We have a somewhat confused brand-new Mason who was listening to stuff in a language that we don't know his proficiency in. His confusion may have been added to by the presence in that region of Italy of a "International Conference about the Mission of the Initiatic Societies" which seems to have been cosponsored by a group that claims to be the direct descendents of the Knights Templar, having received the esoteric knowledge of the original Templars via the Sinclair clan of Scotland, and the "Grande Oriente d’Italia" (help me out here, masons, is this one a Masonic Lodge, a clandestine lodge, or what?)

There was discussion of the relationship of freemasonry to the Knights Templar (so what else is new), famous and powerful Americans present, and confirmation "that most of those "horror stories" I heard were true." I'm just not seeing the big deal yet.

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People responding to allegations and misinterpretation - as they see it - is now a sign of guilt?

Fascinating. Illogical - but fascinating.

reply to post by JoshNorton

And a Mason who admitted there's no secret that there are Templar orders within Masonry...

Admitting that there are Templar "Orders" within Masonry that date back 80 years is not the same thing as admitting that the Knights Templar created Masonry and use Masonry to sheild it's continued existence as a entity.

Not even close.

It was a Mason who discovered what the heck the OP was even talking about...

True that it was a Mason who uncovered evidence of the Gnostic Templar Conference in the Marche region, at the Philharmonic Drama Society Hall of Macerata Italy, but this is not in fact where the Original Poster claims to have gone.

He claims he attended a function at a Masonic Lounge in a small town near Ancona.

Macerata is a small city of 43,000 people not a small town!

Ancona is a small city of 101,000 or a little more than twice the size of Macerata.

While it's obvious a conference did occur, one about Gnostic Templars, which are arguably not the Knights Templar, and this conference occured in Macerata...

It is doubtful that the OP was speaking about this conference since it was not held in a small Masonic Lounge, nor was it held in a small Town.

What the Masons have in fact done on this thread is split a lot of hairs, and put out information that leads to plausible deniability as far as the Knights Templar, founding Masonry and maintaining it as part of their order.

What they did do for certainty, is to do their level best to intimidate the one person who could have cleared up these questions unequivocally from posting, while making these ludicrous assertions, that in so doing they helped us get to the truth of this.

In fact they have steered us away from where and what the OP was really doing, based on the above facts, and offered us a placebo of little value in claiming that simple Templar Orders exist within Masonry, as a way to deflect away from and confuse the OP's assertions.

Hardly praiseworthy, highly condemnable and disingenuous!

[edit on 22/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

True that it was a Mason who uncovered evidence of the Gnostic Templar Conference in the Marche region, at the Philharmonic Drama Society Hall of Macerata Italy, but this is not in fact where the Original Poster claims to have gone.

He claims he attended a function at a Masonic Lounge in a small town near Ancona.

Macerata is a small city of 43,000 people not a small town!

Ancona is a small city of 101,000 or a little more than twice the size of Macerata.

To be fair though, coming from Chicago one might well call a city of 43,000 people a "small town". I know I would. Even 101,000 probably qualifies as a "small town" to me.

While it's obvious a conference did occur, one about Gnostic Templars, which are arguably not the Knights Templar, and this conference occured in Macerata...

It is doubtful that the OP was speaking about this conference since it was not held in a small Masonic Lounge, nor was it held in a small Town.

See above. Personally, I think it's entirely possible that there would have been some sort of social event at the local lodge in the evening after the conference, and that something like that could be what the OP was talking about.

What the Masons have in fact done on this thread is split a lot of hairs, and put out information that leads to plausible deniability as far as the Knights Templar, founding Masonry and maintaining it as part of their order.

I'm not sure that's what they were really trying to combat -- remember, the OP also said things along the lines of "everything I had heard was true" and "most of the horror stories are true." Those sorts of assertions I can see why people would go on the defensive.

What they did do for certainty, is to do their level best to intimidate the one person who could have cleared up these questions unequivocally from posting, while making this ludicrous assertions, that in so doing they helped us get to the truth of this.

Let's not be so quick to write off the OP. It's been what, 24 hours since he posted the thread, he's on a trip and probably has better things to do with his time than sit in a hotel room and pay exorbitant prices to try and clear things up for us. Hopefully when his trip is over he'll stop by again and let us know whether he was talking about the conference, a related gathering, or something totally different (note that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he is in fact in Italy etc).

In fact they have steered us away from where and what the OP was really doing, based on the above facts, and offered us a placebo of little value in claiming that simple Templar Orders exist within Masonry, as a way to deflect away from and confuse the OP's assertions.

But the OP really didn't give us anything! Most of us know (even people like me who don't pay much attention to this forum until there's a front page thread) that factions of Freemasonry like to believe that their tradition was handed down from the Templars. Then there's assertions that "all the stories are true" which, since some of the stories directly contradict each other, is quite a claim to make.

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Ok so what you are saying is that he didn't even meet at this conference.

And that our discovery of that conference is actually somehow unrelated at least directly to whatever the OP is talking about?

Well holy crap, I am confused. This one is a doozie today.

Oh I love ATS!!!!!

You gotta admit, those are some awesome coincidences.

[edit on 22-4-2010 by muzzleflash]

Yeah this is weird.

Ok he claims to have been to "Meeting of the Knights Templar".

This is not the conference.

But at that conference, is the Knights Templar.

See how this is all strangely related????

ALSO - Get this for Universal Syncronicity.

The OP said this.

"This is how fate works people. I had no intention of going to any Freemason meeting when I was out here. I am a Jeweler, I am buying Jewelry out here! I don't believe in coincidence. God put me in that situation because he wanted me to know. "

He had no intention to expose the Conference of Orders either. But his post ended up doing that. It is like everything is falling into place all perfectly.

Have ANY of you heard of that group before?

Do we need to make a new thread about the Conference and all that????

I don't even know where to go right now. Hmm.

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And that our discovery of that conference is actually somehow unrelated at least directly to whatever the OP is talking about?

Not entirely unrelated, foreign Masons, some celebrities in politics, business and entertainment were in Italy for the Conference and obviously invited to the Masonic Lounge in a nearby town as the OP was afterwards.

Yet these are two different occurrences the Conference and the Lounge Meeting the OP attended.

The Conference takes us away from the Masons and the true Templar Knights.

The Lounge Meeting takes us too the Masons and the true Templar Knights...

How does the saying go, "Oh what dangled webs we weave, when at first we practice to deceive"

One might easily conclude those involved in a secret society are engaged in the endeavor of deception through at the very least omission.
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Do we need to make a new thread about the Conference and all that????

I don't even know where to go right now. Hmm.

This is not coincidence either, as all day we have seen a rabid horde do everything in their power to confuse the situation.

If one wants to get to where they are going to, one must first know where they are at.

The Brotherhood has worked hard all day to make sure we do not know where we are at.

The conference simply demonstrates why the presence of so many foreign Masons would have occured in this region to require an interpreter for the lounge event.

It could even be that some of the people they hoped would be there to interpret could not make it because of travel restrictions imposed across Europe, and our happless OP just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time as a result.

Fate simply being the weight of circumstance.

Luck being when determination meets opportunity.

Circumstance created an opportunity that he then was determined to avail himself of.

Thus casting this chain of events into motion.

We have not arrived at the whole truth.

I am waiting to hear back on the exact location of this Lounge, I have made some requests on that, and hope to hear back on this within hours to a day or two, depending on how quickly my sources can respond to the request for information.

Finding out the name of the Lounge and where it is located will shed a little more light on this.

Originally posted by VinnyboyXI
ok never mind guys, i honestly just wanted to share what happened here with me and a few others a couple days ago. its 3 15 am here and I have serious jet lag.
I obviously look like an ass now for sharing this. So I guess I apologize.

you know you guys can be really viscous.

this thread is dead and the little rep that I had is ruined i guess

Hi VinnyboyXI,


Having kicked around, and knowing Italian temperament, your story checks out as being not only possible but likely. There, even dark masons act spontaneously outside of their ritual straight jackets.


However, Vinny, I must caution you. This might not be the best place to share your observations, as either ATS is deeply infiltrated with oodles of malevolent self-proclaimed masons, or it is even itself an emanation of said obediences. There is systematic bashing of any poster for stating anything but the most reverential praise for Freemasonry. Beware of the concerted web-gang tactics of these oh so respectable masons that their manners remind one of junkyard dogs. Beware of such masonic false brothers because FALSE they are for in being exclusively brothers to one another they are De Facto False Brothers to the rest of humanity which thus takes anywhere from second to last place: something a true brother would never do. When the mason wiggle-scratches his brethren's sweaty palm, he is De Facto fingering the rest of the world which is not masonic.


Since you have not sung the praise of Freemasonry, don't expect anything here better than mocking snubs, jeering humiliations, condescending rebuttals, virulent attacks, snide remarks and general disdain. This means that you have touched a nerve, and the natives have become restless. We know you are telling the truth, in a sincere and candid way which these masters of dissimulation couldn't even simulate if they tried.


Also, despite the fascination that secrecy and power may exert, you would be well advised to not choose such poor company. While in a local lodge there may be some friendly guys, the higher you rise the more you will have a chance to reconsider that opinion of them. Worse yet, over time, you shall also get a chance to reconsider that opinion of yourself. You've only got one soul, think again before you pawn it off against cheap thrills or being on the team.


Thanks for your Original Post, and best of luck in your adventures. Also, BTW, be cautious when you get back to the Lodge, because what you've done here is in their circles tantamount to the gravest of sanctions - if you get the gist.


GS

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You found this... Very good lookin out! So a lil thought I had the other day reading a book called " Science and the Akashic Field" ( by Erving Laszlo ). It somehow occured to me that there was a one world religion, or belief system. I have a minor theory that the world was once much more attoned with itself; humans, plants, animals, the earth itself, and the whole comos! I believe that the tower of babel was inscribed with the directions and guide for humans to connect with everything around them. Why not? Like an instruction manual. There are temples in India and Cambodia with inscriptions showing how we should live. Was it destroyed by "god" or many gods or a race of aliens or did some act of nature destroyed this knowledge. Who cares how, but is said that the tower united us all and when it was destroyed it gave birth to our many Different cultures and religions that have so manny similarities that a five year old with no religion jammed down his throat could figure out the connections if they were presented to him ( or her ).It was the one way to seperate and control or enslave us. It says we came to close to "god" if we were connected with everything that would be pretty damn close to "god". But, no doubt this knowledge was transcribed to a smaller scale ( book, scrolls, tablets,
whateva medium) and may have been tucked away somewhere in a lil cave near Jerusalem. This info would surely be reason for the church to protect and payoff The Templars back in the day before De Molay. Only a couple other things the Templars could have found back in the crusades to get the church's attention like. All would be extremely devastating to the church and this for sure would have gotten their attention.
what if it was this possible knowlede and it's finaly gotten to a global point in humanity where they feel they pull "ALL" other initiated orders together in order to bring this information to the masses. It would be something that has to be planned, and planned to be well recieved. If I'm write on an gut instinct that would be amazing, but what if??? The five point star ties the five elements together and is representative of the oneness or attonent of all things! It would actually be a welcome relief to the world. This whole thread is just plain freakishly coincidental to my thoughts the other day! Glad to actually see a good spread of knowledge on here been a while since I have read a
thread that soany are ( well most ) well informed on!
Nice find again muzzleflash!

I'm not sure that's what they were really trying to combat -- remember, the OP also said things along the lines of "everything I had heard was true" and "most of the horror stories are true." Those sorts of assertions I can see why people would go on the defensive.

Yes it is true the Nazis were quick to mount a defense at Nuremburg, but for good reason.

The fact that they saw a need to defend a lack of virtue, in and of itself did not denote virtue per say!

Let's not be so quick to write off the OP. It's been what, 24 hours since he posted the thread, he's on a trip and probably has better things to do with his time than sit in a hotel room and pay exorbitant prices to try and clear things up for us. Hopefully when his trip is over he'll stop by again and let us know whether he was talking about the conference, a related gathering, or something totally different (note that I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he is in fact in Italy etc).

There are too many coincidences for him not to be involved in something similiar to what he claims. Both the Gnostic Templar conference nearby to where he was staying, and the Jewlery Convention have been independantly confirmed.

It would have taken an incredible level of advance planning and preperation to tie them both together to weave such a tale for the sake of such a tale, and such a person would have been much more likely to duke it out and not tuck tail and run in the face of opposition, after that kind of advanced premeditation.

If Internet access costs him 20.00 per day has he stated, it's unlikely he is going to spend it again presently based on his reception last night.

He might even be on his way stateside, or to another Jewlery convention in Europe as we speak...

Or there exists a remote possibility something untoward happened to him.

It would not have been hard for a well connected Mason to find out the name of the actual lounge, contact it's Master, and trace an American Mason in the Jewlery Business invited as their guest.

I doubt this last one, but it is not in the realm of impossibility.

He was clearly frightened to reveal everything he knew, assuming this was genuine, then he perhaps has real reason to be frightened and so would others that he became a chatty Cathy.

We have already seen on this thread how quickly the Masons can become ugly and agressive, and go to what ever extent they can in the virtual world. Who is to say what extent that they would go in the real world.

I see lots of nonsensical stories on ATS everyday that I pass by, including ones about Masons, but there is in fact something to this one!

Originally posted by 911stinks

Originally posted by YourPopRock
Ok, I finally couldn't take it anymore...



The OP says he is a mason, then says he is only an initiate (not a term used in masonry in Chicago... This I know first-hand) and then goes on to refer to "you masons" in such a way that it is clear to anyone who can speak English that he is not a part of the group that he is referring to.

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Maybe we should ask Network Dude.

Hey Network dude, since we're on topic... thanks for talking to emsed1 for me about becoming a mason.

I attended a Lodge this past Tuesday and now am working to become an initiate here in Chicago.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=VinnyboyXI

You Mason are really nervous about this one. I love it.

That too is the wrong term. My guess is this... our OP here read and gathered information on what the degrees were called from other threads. When wrong info was posted there, he simply parroted it... more proof of his spreading of nonsense.