Londoners call lack of contrails (Chemtrails), blissful

I live about 20 miles East of Birmingham International Airport and get about 3 planes an hour if not more fly over on an average day. I was really taken back by how nice it was about 3pm yesterday (Saturday); there wasn't a single cloud in the sky besides some haze on the horizon, it was the most amazing blue I've ever seen. One thing I was wondering is if this erruption goes on for many more days / weeks and intensifes, could if cause a 'mini' ice age like in the 17/1800's (I forget).


Enjoying the randomness of it all though, I suppose peace really can come from chaos!

First post BTW, but long time lurker Hope to be around for a while!

WOW, this thread is amazing. I could not imagine living in a densely populated city area. If it is literally as bad as people here make out to be, and if this sudden break in contrails/chemtrails has caused such a noticeable effect for the better, WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT SAY about our impact on this Earth. You people truly don't realize how much we impact this Earth, and the delicate ecosystem on it...we destroy so much beauty and life with no regret for our action or no worry for future generations. Humanity does not sincerely want to solve or correct these destructive habits, which means that humanity is generally self-destructive, suicidal and degenerate, both socially and personally.

We have an effect on this Earth, and to all of you that some how think the impact humans actually have on the environments and ecosystems around the world is minimal, grow a God damn brain. We've already destroyed a good portion of the worlds forests and are directly responsible for countless extinctions. You don't need to do a scientific study to prove we do harm to this Earth and the life on it, you simply have to look at the clouds of black smoke billowing out from industrial areas and use a bit of common sense, or have a look at some of the Worlds most polluted areas areas and tell me it isn't just ridiculously rancid. Just wake up for a second and realize you're turning this Earth into Hell whilst claiming you're having next to no effect on it...

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it was the most amazing blue I've ever seen

I find it truly amazing that people find the blueness of the sky and the freshness of the air such a rare and wonderful thing...I mean, they are obviously great, but the whole world should know this greatness, not live under a blanket of dark unhealthy smog...how disgusting...maybe living in a country town on the South Coast of Australia has really caused me to take this clear sky and ultimately fresh air for granted...

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Hi Chaps,
please excuse my suspicious thinking, but Chem (or con) trails have been something on my mind for several years now. I KNOW certain planes are spraying (not just polluting) and I still don't know why...(yet!).

So, why have they grounded all these aircraft?

Because of dangerous ash, no?

But are the skies not clear? Not the clearest for years?

Could this not be more TPTB gameplaying? Maybe just testing out which flights are important, so that they can be prepared come the day, when they can try their luck and declare full NWO lock-down. TPTB would surely love that future air travel be much reduced (keep those damned sheeple where we can keep an securi-cam eye on them!).

Feel free to show me where I am wrong, for I have but a simple mind, so I can't seem to add this all up.

Peas to you all.

After 9/11 during the airline grounding I experienced the same thing in California. The clearest skies I had ever seen. A deep blue color I have rarely seen again.

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Hi Chaps

Chaos? I'll reply to you anyhow.

So, why have they grounded all these aircraft?

Because of dangerous ash, no?

I think so, but I don't live anywhere near there.

But are the skies not clear? Not the clearest for years?

Could this not be more TPTB gameplaying? Maybe just testing out which flights are important, so that they can be prepared come the day, when they can try their luck and declare full NWO lock-down.

The skies are clear near the airports I think, I have no idea where the ash is, but surely some flight paths would be available? This could be nothing but what it appears to be, but it does feel like some sort of test on the people...who knows.

EDIT: Oh dang, I must look like a dick now, I just realized chaps is like that pommy saying for friends, people, or whatever. Sorry bro.

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Originally posted by CAELENIUM
What comes out of the back end of a Jet Engine is merely water and carbon dioxide. Neither of which are toxic. Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide is essential for the continuation of life. Plants die if the carbon dioxide is not present or below a certain threshold.

CO2 + H2O = CH2 + O3

CH2 + O3 = CO2 + H2O

To say that Carbon Dioxide is a "toxic poison" is not scientific and is just simply political retoric so as the war mongers can build further nuclear power stations and thus possess more atomic weapons where by with which to murder untold millions of innocent civilians in World War three.

What comes out of the exhaust of a Jet Engine is clean and entirely environmentally friendly. However, if as we believe to be the case, chemicals are being added to the exhaust plume then these CHEMTRAILS are indeed a threat to public health.

That is incorrect. There is more than this in everyday, mundane pollution-causing jettrails! I dug this up the other day for a similar thread.

In order to understand what is being done, we first have to understand some basic concepts. A jet engine is an internal combustion engine, just like an automobile engine is. In a jet engine, the fuel and an oxidizer combust (or burn) and the products of that combustion are exhausted through a narrow opening at high speed. Modern jet engine fuel is primarily kerosene, the same fuel used to heat homes in portions of the U.S. Kerosene, a flammable hydrocarbon oil, is a fossil fuel. Burning fossil fuels primarily produces carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O). Other major emissions are nitric oxide (NO) and nitrogen oxide (NO2), which together are called NOx, sulfur oxides (SO2), and soot.

Aircraft produce up to 4 percent of the annual global CO2 emissions from fossil fuels near the Earth's surface as well as at higher altitudes (25,000 to 50,000 feet). Scientists are still studying the effects of increased amounts of CO2 near the Earth's surface and in the upper atmosphere. Reducing those emissions is the goal of Glenn and its industry and university partners.

www.nasa.gov...

And som annual flight stats for your convenience, to indicate that the rising number of flights is as it seems.

www.bts.gov...

Paranoia... is when you start imagining that TPTB use their HAARP and created this whole volcanic (earthquakey?) mess to teach those pesky Icelandics to pay back their extortionate loans?

You know it makes sense... Lol! xx

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Hello, yeah everything you say makes logical sense.

But you kind of looked like you were telling everyone how stupid they are and how amazing you are lmao.

Sometimes when we write on these forums we might appear as too aggressive when unintended lol.

MY PROFILE SHOP JOBS PROPERTY CLASSIFIEDS From The Sunday Times April 18, 2010

This is just the beginning, warn scientistsJack Grimston and Chris Haslam 2 Comments
Recommend? (2) THE clash between molten rock and ice on the surface of the Iceland volcano has produced ash so fine that radar and other aircraft instruments are unable to detect it.

The near-invisibility of the ash swirling in vast clouds over Britain and Europe has magnified the confusion and trepidation brought about by the eruption of Eyjafjallajokull.

Now the uncertainty is set to increase still further, with scientists warning that, based on the volcano’s historic behaviour, the eruption could be “just the beginning”. The mountain may continue to blow out ash sporadically for a year or more.

Even more worryingly, Katla, the neighbouring volcano, is groaning from the eruption under pressure equivalent to 3,000 mini-earthquakes a day of up to 3.1 on the Richter scale. Katla is some five times bigger than Eyjafjallajokull and would erupt in a similar way — but spewing out far bigger plumes of ash.

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This does not mean British airspace will be closed for a year, but it could herald months of repeated bouts of disruption, depending largely on the weather.

Yesterday a British scientist described how even modern aircraft technology cannot detect the clouds of ash.

Guy Gratton, head of Cranfield University’s facility for airborne atmospheric measurement, took a flight with fellow researchers to gather data.

“Speaking as an aeronautical engineer, I would not want to be putting an airliner up there at the moment,” said Gratton.

“There is a lot of fairly nasty stuff there that we were running away from, knowing what we did. We have standard airline instruments on the aeroplane, we have got a storm scope and we have got a weather radar and they were looking straight through it.

“Neither of those were seeing any of this stuff. It was only our specialist cloud physics instruments that were able to see the particles.”

The ash is formed by the sudden contact between molten rock and ice. As the lava is pushed up through the vent of Eyjafjallajokull at 700-1,100C, it shoots through the glacier of the same name.

A glass-like rind forms but shatters under pressure from below. Jets of steam and gas then carry it into the atmosphere in tiny flakes less than 1mm across.

David Rotherly, a vulcanologist at the Open University, said: “When you put cold on a hot rock it shatters, creating tiny fragments. Also, when water turns to steam there’s a big expansion which propels the particles even higher.”

Jet engines suck in so much air that it carries with it enough ash to wreck the mechanism. Even though the ash becomes invisible as it disperses, planes have to be grounded as has happened regularly during eruptions in Alaska, northern Japan and Sicily.

Ash has been spewing out since March 20, when a 500-yard gash opened on the shoulder of the volcano.

Bjorn Eriksson, who runs the Hotel Ranga in Hella, a few miles southwest, said locals had been expecting it.

“We’ve been experiencing earthquakes since January,” he said. “At first just one or two a day, but increasing rapidly.” A few days after the first opening, another vent broke four miles up the mountain, 600ft beneath the glacial ice cap.

Eyjafjallajokull has erupted twice in the past 1,100 years, the last time in December 1821. That continued for more than a year until January 1823.

Andrew Hooper, an expert on Iceland’s volcanoes at Delft University in Holland, said: “There is a very real possibility that the volcano will continue to erupt on and off for months.

“Eruptions of Eyjafjallajokull in 1821-3 and 1612 were followed in short shrift by eruptions of Katla, with a far greater potential for disrupting travel and the climate.”

Hooper added: “There are no signs yet of the eruption ending, even temporarily.”

In addition, the wind that has been blowing the ash across Europe is not forecast to change, nor is there much sign of heavy rain which would bring a lot down from the sky.

Hooper warned that the eruption may be only a taste of the future if climate change causes ice sheets to melt further. As the last ice age ended, volcanic activity in Iceland increased 30-fold because of reduced pressure on the earth’s mantle.

“Since the 19th century the ice caps in Iceland have been shrinking yet further,” said Hooper. “This will lead to additional magma generation, so we should expect more frequent voluminous eruptions in the future.”

So - a couple of things to ponder.

Edgar Cayce foretold of a large earthquake in South America followed by a volcano in Iceland in 2010 that would lead to a time of world tribulation and financial turmoil.

From Revelations 5:12 - And I looked when He broke the Sixth Seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as a sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood.

From Revelations 5:13 - and the stars of the sky fell to earth.

Earthquakes of seemingly increasing intensity around the world.

From some perspectives, the black ash cloud would block the sun.

It's interesting that some of the reports from Europe say that the Moon appears to be red in the sky with the haze from the volcano.

Also, on April 21. the Lyrid Meteor Shower is about to begin. "The stars of the sky will fall to earth".



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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
reply to post by CHA0S

 

Hello, yeah everything you say makes logical sense.

But you kind of looked like you were telling everyone how stupid they are and how amazing you are lmao.

Sometimes when we write on these forums we might appear as too aggressive when unintended lol.

Haha, well some would probably see it like that...it's certiantly nothing like that though, it's just I feel like everyone ignores these topics and problems we should be trying to fix...it's like an "out of sight, out of mind" attitude society has...and I hate just sitting back and watching the world fall into the pits of darkness and dread, it burns me up inside...we KNOW we are f'ing up the world, and if we continue on this path there wont be much more left to f up...but as long as we are benefiting now, who needs to worry about the future eh? Well, I like to use ATS to bring these topics back into sight and into mind, and I will sometimes times do it in a really blunt and harsh manner so that people might actually click on, see the real depth of the problem, and take it seriously for once. If you can't take the brutal honesty of my posts, don't read them. Go back to your bubble.

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did anyone see lots of sattelites tonight in the sky i did there was blooooody loads

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Volcanic ash is transparent to radar. That is not new to this eruption. It has been known for years.
Volcanic Ash Detector

From 2001

In the past 30 years, more than 90 jet aircraft have encountered ash clouds emitted from erupting volcanoes. Ash clouds are almost invisible to radar. Silicon compounds within these clouds can cause costly damage to aircraft, ranging from abrasion of windows and composite surfaces to engine destruction. Engine failure associated with ash cloud encounters is a major safety hazard.

It's not just this ash that is transparent to radar, but all volcanic eruptions since the airborne particles are small compared to the size of waves used in radar.

Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
did anyone see lots of sattelites tonight in the sky i did there was blooooody loads

Yeah sattelites, or possibly a couple of ufos.

But yeah I didn't think to checkl the skies tonight considerign it's supposed to be slightly clearer.

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It's cloudy where I am. How many is bloody loads? On many nights we see buckets here.

about 10pm there was loads about 6 in the space of an hour, how do you tell if it is a satellite?

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Yaah I think some of these posts are amazed that it's so clear, not simply because there are no planes, that only makes a tiny slight difference in my view.

Youd have to live in the uk to understand. It feels like our skies have been covered by dark grey clouds for years haha, so now that spring is here, and were starting to see the covered sky start to clear up and see the sun finally, this is probably the clearest day of the year so far. That is why you see comments like this.

It's very depressing to always have grey skies, so when we get clear blue skies, we act so thankful.

And we know that it can quickly turn to covered grey skies the next day lol. Our weather is very moody.



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They are little dots of light moving across the sky faster than a plane can move. The lights are constant. No blinking. Use binoculars or a small scope if you'd like to verify that nothing can be resolved about its shape. That tells you it is small and far away.

Six in an hour is buckets. Seeing 10 in an evening of watching the stars is buckets for us. A good place to look for satellites is to look towards the north star. Circumpolar satellites pass by that spot in the sky. Try to image where the sun is and therefore the earth's shadow. Satellites in the earth's shadow won't be visible. It can really freak people out if you predict, "I bet a pint that the moving light disappears before it gets over there." Or better yet, "The UFO pilot is getting wise to us seeing it. He'll cloak in a few seconds."

Aren't any of you in the U.K. worried as to whether or not this chemtrail-free event is something that is "too good to be true?" I understand that you had the clearest and bluest sky that people have seen in some time, but aren't you concerned over the fact that apparently some of these particulates can't even be seen by the naked eye? I mean, it's nice to be able to get out and enjoy the clear skies, believe me I would enjoy it too, but there is a reason why they suspended the air traffic in most of Europe.

I would just be concerned as to what I am breathing in being that the air is polluted with volcanic ash and toxins. I guess it's nothing to get excited over, but something I though of as I read through this thread.

We've got the 3rd successive clear sky so far, and I definitely agree that the sky somehow seems clearer than previously, but misty on the horizon (I think we're looking at the volcanic ash at that angle).

Is it co-incidence that we have clear skies whilst all air traffic is grounded? Quite possibly, but I do know the Met Office are outrageously wrong with yesterdays and todays weather.

Yesterday, forcast: highs of +14 with some cloud.

Actually: hit +21 with clear skies!

Today, forcast: highs of +14 with lots of cloud.

So far, +12, clear skies and it isn't even 0600 yet!!!!

All temps degrees Celcius.

I certainly do NOT buy the BS of the global warming camp. They argue(d) that emissions from aircraft contributed to global warming, yet after 9/11, and during the current groundings, day temps are HIGHER, and night temps are LOWER. Where the hell is the warming? It is warmer NOW they're not flying!

One reason it is difficult to clean up air transport is WEIGHT. Sure, they could carry equipment to clean the emissions but then aircraft wouldn't have any spare capacity to carry people or freight rendering them useless.

Something else environmentalists don't want you to know - your average 747 is more fuel efficient than most cars on the road, at a cool 45 MPG once BTUs are considered.

At the end of the day, fossil fuels are the best as they have the highest energy density. Another final point not highlighted is that ALL engines are HEAT engines. They rely on the expansion of gas (air) to ultimately propel them. The fuel is simply the means used to heat it.

You will never beat conservation of energy. No process is 100% efficient, so even if we make fuel, it will cost us more than the fuel produced can provide at the end of the process. We will always use energy we can't recover.

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