If Nibiru exists, it should be inside our solar system by now

Yes, im quite positive a planet the size of Neptune is orbiting within our solar system, and not one astronomer has been able to find it yet. Great research!
im sorry for being sarcastic...
You are basing your facts off the idea that the planet exists and that it will wreak havoc in 2012, but theres no hard proof to show that 2012 or Nibiru even exist

TolanIsMaximus, what is it that IRIS and the telescopes in Chile and Palo Verde has found pertaining to a planet/brown dwarf heading towards earth? Could you expand on that?

I'm not so certain as you that all of these cultures you mention assert that a planet/brown dwarf will soon destroy us, though I could be wrong.

I have found mostly nonsense on this subject on the web. It doesn't hurt to look at it from different angles, much of it has other explanations. I found Et-Man's presentation perhaps the best I have seen, a very good read. Though even then I only found enough to keep an open mind, which I already had anyway or I wouldn't have gone to the trouble. The videos are a bit of a stretch IMO.

With due respect, as I don't know you and you are probably a very nice person. In a more general way every time I hear the usual love, acceptance, caring bit I get an image of the Miss Universe Pageant. The part where the contestant explains her one true wish is for “world peace, and I love all the cute, furry cuddly little creatures”. Well not really, I added the bit about the cute furry little creatures for sarcasm. The problem with us humans appears to be, as they say, talk is cheap.


Though the sentiment itself makes great sense. Perhaps my experience on this little speck of dust has left me a slightly cynical? I hope it doesn't show.................._javascript:icon('')



ET-Man, the constant references throughout your posts, after a certain point, starts to give the impression of someone who is preaching. I get a similar feeling when the Jehova's Witnesses feel the need to save my soul. While I always feel some gratitude, I also wonder if they consider winning brownie points in heaven or saving their own @rse as the cause of such brotherly love. Though admittedly, in your case, I don't know. Each to their own.

I say this because, for myself, I know that time exists in other “densities” as you call them. As does what we call matter. The seeming difference is that certain things seem not subject to the same "laws" in the same way as it appears to be here, time being one instance. I find that what is truly beyond time is also beyond any notion of “densities”, and in fact beyond any “notions”.

This is not so much to argue, like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog, but to let you know that many have arrived at their own conclusions. I feel you have missed a lot on your way to infinity. These subjects are notoriously prone to fantasy and beliefs, even perhaps hidden beliefs that can shape them. Myself included. I also feel it might be more helpful for anyone interested to take other people's “truths” with a grain of salt. As I understand, the Buddha that you quote, simply turned his back and walked away when asked for the truth. I see wisdom in this, perhaps lost on the new age groups who go out of their to hit people over the head with their “truth”.

I find some references to Stereologist slightly puzzling and a bit out of character. Especially so in light of the unconditional love, kindness etc that I hear so much about. Inferences of hacking accounts, paid disinfo agent among other things. I'm not sure how you would know these things or whether they are inferred out of any kindness. I realize that you are just like anyone else, from this point of view I understand. We talk the talk, like students who ace the theory but fail the practical. Either way I find stereoligist has the same right as you or I to discuss and put forward a point of view, even if a completely contrary one.



Personally I remain open to the possibility, but can't escape the conclusion at this stage there is nothing to suggest a planet/brown dwarf is heading this way any time soon. Just IMO, which can be wrong, as it has been before.

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum

Hi Cogito, Ergo Sum,

ET-Man, the constant references throughout your posts, after a certain point, starts to give the impression of someone who is preaching.

If someone directs a question to me or makes an accusation then I will reply and sure why not take my sweet "Time" while I'm at it and open up just a little more and OH guess what else by the way?

I DID IT MY WAY!

"Time" to go back to back in "Time" when you were just a little younger and do it all over again and have fun with it this "Time" ok?



I DID IT MY WAY!

Feeling younger yet?

What is age anyway if there is no "Time"? Nudge!


You see individuality and freewill/choice is the most precious of all gifts to the "INFINITE" because one can do it in their own way and do whatever they choose to do. You did it your way, I did it my way, in the end we all did it Our way where there is no "All" and there is no "End."

Wishing you
Peace, Love & Light Always!
Sincerely/Respectfully,
Best Wishes!
Best Dreams!

Follow The Infinity/Space/Time Bunny!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The destruction of the earth predictions have been around for countless years. It appears that since astronomy has made an open and shut case on the possibility of the existence of a new planet within the orbits of the known planets, people have wisely turned away from science to other areas to support this notion.

This tale of destruction as we hear it comes not from scientific evidence. Rather it comes from modern reinterpretations of mythical texts. Instead of utilizing the incredible numbers of hours of research and effort put out by archaeologists over a century of time, the game plan is to point out meaning to the few symbols that have been placed on the internet and act as if this trove of images is self explanatory.

The one effort not made by the doomsayers is to find a new presentation method for this charade. We are back to the tried and true method of wrapping it in religion. I'd have to say that since this is only made to look like religion and only a poor approximation at that, a better term is superstition.

An interesting example of the end of the world preaching comes from William Miller. He was converted to the Baptist faith when asked to read a sermon. He got into reading the bible in detail. He found within the bible verses he thought demonstrated the end of the world was coming. He developed a method of translating the words of the bible into the date of end of the world which for him was 25 years to go. The year of predicted destruction was 1843. He spent a few more years researching and then in 1831 made his thoughts public. Miller was soon flooded with requests for this vital information.

Well, Miller became a hot national discussion item. He shunned pinning down the exact date, but 1843 came and went. The 1844 was picked. But did 2 mistakes disband this idea? Not at all. Most people dropped out, but not the truly faithful. Oh no. They were sticking this out no matter how many miscalculations were made. Miller died in 1849 certain that the second coming was imminent.

Was this in vain? No. The Seventh-Day Adventists were a direct result of Miller's claims.
William Miller - Wikipedia

I forgot to mention that in 1843 and 1844 Miller sold a lot of ascension robes. Sales were good.

So why do people do this?
The evolution of superstitious and superstition-like behaviour

We conclude that behaviours which are, or appear, superstitious are an inevitable feature of adaptive behaviour in all organisms, including ourselves.

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Yes, those dates could be Mercury. What about my dates of Jan-1-2010 through March-1-2010. The object that I saw was WAY TOO big to be mercury. Check it again with the dates provided.

reply to post by Chadwickus

If Earth is facing planet-wide apocalyptic events in 2012, it is reasonable to assume that no one can predict with some measure of accuracy how it will unfold and what would be the consequences to life and civilization. For example, the volcano in Iceland: no one can predict when the eruptions will stop (tomorrow, next week or next year) or what the overall impact will be.

Therefore, the safest places to be when it all “hits the fan” would probably be somewhere that’s not on Earth…at least until things settle a bit. I know of only 2 possible places that could fit the bill for a small group of individuals: the Moon and the International Space Station (ISS).

President Obama has recently canceled the NASA Constellation program with the Ares rocket: a heavy-launch vehicle to send large hardware and materials to the Moon (188 metric tons of payload, 8 times more than the Space Shuttle). Instead, ISS retirement has been extended to 2020 and the European Space Agency (ESA) will add 5 Automated Transfer Vehicles (ATV) to it by 2013.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The ATV, also known as the space freighter or space truck, is a solar-powered 7.6 metric ton storage compartment for cargo, water and fuel that can also serve as a return to Earth module.

The ISS has maintained an uninterrupted human presence for the past 9 years serving primarily as a Low Earth Orbit (LEO) research laboratory. Why would an aging research lab now require an extra 38 metric tons of storage capacity by the end of 2012?

1) Uncertainty in the capability to re-supply ISS for extended period of time
2) More individuals on board ISS

Always FTM (Follow The Money)


[edit on 19-4-2010 by ajtrvll]

The question I bring forth could have great significance or it could be just another silly idea, but it is a question that has baffled me for some time now. I'm no expert on any certain religion but I do know that in the Christian faith the wise men followed the North Star to bestow the gifts they each had onto Jesus. Now my question is, what exactly is the importance of the North Star? I have never heard anything explaining that. Could it be possible the North Star we all know as a beacon for "their" Lord and Savior, really be the great Nibiru hidden in plain sight?

OK, I need to clear something up. When I referenced the Lucas video, I was meaning to point out that there were similar petroglyphs all over the world. So, peoples of the Earth were either having a collective "vision", or they all witnessed, and documented the same, or recurring, event. The similarities in religions that I touched on was the FACT that many religions from all over the globe believed in similar things. Among them would be the apocolypse. You cannot dispute this similarity. Also mentioned in the Lucas video, is the recurring "planet with horns" symbol. I did some research into that and found some VERY interesting things! As I have said twice before, I have my own beliefs, and I have yet to impose them on anyone...nor have I tried to "recruit" anyone to "my side". The geologic evidence ABSOLUTELY tells us that the Earth has been impacted by an astrological body many, many times...and sometimes this object has been large enough to cause widespread, catastrophic damage. The evidence is there, and it's irrefutable. So is the evidence that the moon has been struck many times over. Seeing the trouble that one volcano in Iceland is having on the rest of the world is proving to me that we aren't ready for any sort of world wide event. AS far as my sentiment...I can see where my "love, peace, etc...." stuff can set you off...and I apologize if I offended. Not my intent, at all. I will say, however, the BEST I've ever felt, in my entire life, is when I put others before myself. Maybe that's the better way to convey my meaning.

StereoLogic: Did you look at that article (3/11/2010) about the elongated orbit planet they found in our solar system? You never mentioned.

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Oh, I forgot to address your first subject, sorry! The IRAS's first images, and the first article about it came out in 1983. Then there was another picture taken by the array in Palo Verde I believe in 1996...all the links are in this thread, though. The SPT pic was very recent, and it's pretty cool! Not new stuff, just stuff that's important! I've seen the "Russian video of two suns", but I'm not so sure about that. I've seen my camera's have some unique "double images" on bright lights before...and one can't help but remember the two suns of Tatooine..!

TolanIsMaximus, if you are referring to anything I have written you caused no offence. Sarcasm is not the highest form of wit and doesn't always appear the way I intend it to. Certainly no apologies necessary. You will take out of the videos what makes sense to you. I merely pointed out there might be some things there that just ain't necessarily so.

[edit on 19-4-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]

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The star was actually in the east. The wise men saw the star, but did not follow the star to Bethlehem. They were told to go to Bethlehem by Herod. There was a prophecy that foretold of the king being born in Bethlehem. It says in the bible that the star continued with the wise men until they reached the newborn.

So whatever this star was that they refer to it was not a guide.

Very good research, could it be possible that if a planet such as Niburu did exist, that its eliptical orbit makes it come from below our solar system, which would only make it visible in the south pole region until it was actually in our soalr sytem. And could that be why the frequency of the earthquakes around the world has intensified, because it is approaching?

reply to post by TolanIsMaximus


Thanks for reminding me. The elongated orbit is of a Kuiper Belt object that is slightly larger than Pluto. It is Eris. It has an orbit that takes it close to the orbit of Neptune and inside the orbit of Pluto.

Eris data - 557 year orbit, 37.8 to 97.5AU, 1.27 times mass of Pluto

Pluto is 1/400 the mass of the Earth. So Eris is quite small and never enters the orbits of the known planets (except for Pluto - no longer considered a planet).

I already put my theories out on ATS, but the thread was closed down and no one poked holes in my post.

Well, here is the link to that thread, and if you would be so kind (not to attack the poster, but the content of the post) please read this and then attack the content.

Earthchanges - A Theory

More often then not, we only see what we want to see. Reference the native story of the Spanish ships offshore that were not seen by the native populace in South America. We need to get into the habit of looking at all the Pieces of the Puzzle and not just one pin prick in the night sky.

Also, please give alternative theory to what I have laid out in that thread. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that there is more here then at first glance.

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Even if a planet were approaching from a direction not in the ecliptic, it would still affect the paths of the known planets. No such effect has been seen. Also, a planet approaching the earth would be visible from at least one half of the surface of the earth. There is way for a planet to 'sneak' up on us.

reply to post by Skada


Welcome Skada. I see several ideas that need to checked out:
1. pole shifts
2. planetary magnetic fields
3. planet at least as large as earth
4. strange weather

I've discussed many of these issues already in this thread.

Pole shifts is an idea that is not new. What is new is that we are learning more and more about the earth each year. A recent study examined the idea of a pole shift and found that at least in the last 200 million years there have been no rapid, or large pole shifts.

The magnetic fields of the planets that have them are not that strong. They are important, but do not have affects between the known planets. Gravity is the force that controls the solar system layout. Studies of the positions of the planets and irregularities in their motions demonstrate that no large planet sized objects can exist in our solar system unless they are 320AU or more out. That's pretty far out.

As far as strange weather goes. What can I say. You can look over the history books and learn about all sorts of strange events. The blizzard of 1888 was one of the most bizarre events with mild nice weather and then drifts up to 50 feet high.
Great Blizzard of 1888 - wikipedia

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Skada

 

Welcome Skada. I see several ideas that need to checked out:
1. pole shifts
2. planetary magnetic fields
3. planet at least as large as earth
4. strange weather

I've discussed many of these issues already in this thread.

Pole shifts is an idea that is not new. ... A recent study examined the idea of a pole shift and found that at least in the last 200 million years there have been no rapid, or large pole shifts.

Only that we have seen as such, what of the mastodon that was found flash frozen. That is possible evidence of a physical shifting of poles. What of the dead plants under the ice of the antarctic? Yes, I realize that this last bit could have happened over a period of a few million years, well, not really because the plants wouldn't be there at all. The flash frozen mastodon is one nail for me.

The magnetic fields of the planets that have them are not that strong. ... Studies of the positions of the planets and irregularities in their motions demonstrate that no large planet sized objects can exist in our solar system unless they are 320AU or more out.

According to what theories; our limited understanding of astrophysics? Phenomena and "laws" based on observable data that discounts any unknown particle flows that are undetectable to us? We know very little to nothing of what really happens and what is REALLY out there. There could be a system out there with a star like ours and a planet that is 10 times the size of ours with Titans living on it's surface. Who really knows except them. Also, who is to say that one large object can be in a permanent orbit between us and somewhere in the direction of Orion's Belt. I think that planets can be pushed around and yet not get knocked out of their orbits. What about the gravity waves of the sun that push the planets in their paths around the central star. Gravity is gravity, but is contingent on a multitude of variables, again some that we don't know about. (Has anyone even thought about repulsion waves, think of magnets that spin and come in contact with other magnets. It will stick together or push apart. But, we don't even know if planets have the same behavior. Perhaps they push objects that get too close to them.) Magnetic Fields protect us from the suns solar winds, what would happen if another magnetic field pushed on our planet? I would suspect that 1: Our magnetic field would be affected depending on the size of the imposing foreign magnet. 2:If it is larger, then our magnetic field will be reduced and then more solar wind would get through causing all sorts of global warming. 3:As the magnet gets closer, the earth would get pushed back depending on which pole was pushing on our planet and that is governed by which pole the sun is facing towards the foreign magnet. 4: Our earth would wobble more causing strange weather patterns observed today. When the Earth gets pushed back, that is when the winds pick up due to friction on the surface.

As far as strange weather goes. What can I say. You can look over the history ....
Great Blizzard of 1888 - wikipedia

Yes, but has there been such a "crowded" time when so much "Strange Weather" is around us in a small slice of time? I live in Texas, and we really did have a few days of nice weather, one day of snow, and then a day of 70 + degree weather. Something is strange in our world and I don't think it is all of the humans' fault. I do thank you for your input. More understanding by all must be obtained.

www.wired.com...

Sum1 has post a really cool link people ought to check out. It discusses a object orbiting a brown dwarf. The finding asks again, just how to define a planet. On top of that the system doesn't look like a system built from an accretion disk. It also asks, how do solar systems form. It's a great link.

Nibiru and 2012 have no connection.

Besides, Im sick of everyone calling it Nibiru; its real name is Marduk, which (in mythology) battled with Tiamat. Tiamat was a planet within our solar system, you may know it as the asteroid belt.

Seriously, people really have to stop calling it Nibiru, it makes them sound...silly

Pitty Earth cant scan the entire solar system for every type of radio signal instantly. Pitty Earths Astro tech is a bunch of n00b metal ore crap, things that advanced lifeforms would think we stole from their scrap yard. Cant wait until the day comes where we get a spacecraft instead of a car, wont be in our time and neither will Marduk.

Don't worry about it, that is like a fly worrying about a giant fly-swat that's just about to squash it. There is NOTHING you can do about it. Nothing. Go live a happy life.