If Nibiru exists, it should be inside our solar system by now

A known constraint is that the orbit of a planet must be at least 320AU from the sun.

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You spam a lot too, I think I have read this 320au comment a couple of times from you.

Computer simulations show that a highly elliptical orbit is unstable after only a few orbits.

A Jupiter sized planet would be over 1000AU from the sun.

I was replying to the stupid comment that brown dwarfs do no reflect light.

Please prove some links to your comments, if your comments are true, I'd like to see something to back them up. I find it strange that you joined ATS less that 2 weeks ago, and you spend most of your day here ALL day knocking NIbiru, a scan of your posts shows you are quite adamant, and makes me wonder if you might not be getting paid to knock this theory. If I'm wrong, sorry, but you are quite obsessed, is there a reason for this? A week ago, you had not even heard about the supposed find by NASA scientists in 1983 of a possible tenth planet that was possible due to perturbations on Neptune and Uranus, then to be discredited. You said you had not heard about this. Well, that is a commonly known peice of information to people that follow the theories of Nibiru-planet X etc. So why, being so fresh to this subject are you so mad to debunk it? Like, I've said it makes me wonder your motivation is all.

Originally posted by SunnyDee

A known constraint is that the orbit of a planet must be at least 320AU from the sun.

reply to post by stereologist

 

You spam a lot too, I think I have read this 320au comment a couple of times from you.

Computer simulations show that a highly elliptical orbit is unstable after only a few orbits.

A Jupiter sized planet would be over 1000AU from the sun.

I was replying to the stupid comment that brown dwarfs do no reflect light.

Please prove some links to your comments, if your comments are true, I'd like to see something to back them up. I find it strange that you joined ATS less that 2 weeks ago, and you spend most of your day here ALL day knocking NIbiru, a scan of your posts shows you are quite adamant, and makes me wonder if you might not be getting paid to knock this theory. If I'm wrong, sorry, but you are quite obsessed, is there a reason for this? A week ago, you had not even heard about the supposed find by NASA scientists in 1983 of a possible tenth planet that was possible due to perturbations on Neptune and Uranus, then to be discredited. You said you had not heard about this. Well, that is a commonly known peice of information to people that follow the theories of Nibiru-planet X etc. So why, being so fresh to this subject are you so mad to debunk it? Like, I've said it makes me wonder your motivation is all.

Hi SunnyDee,

I absolutely agree on that.

The reason that I agree is that I have gotten into the cross debate with stereologist and he just doesn't even want to take the time to even consider or go over any of the Evidence & Facts that I've presented him.

Instead within a few minutes after posting the information/links he quickly comes back and replies that everything I've provided is inaccurate and false.

I mean the documents and links to things I've presented him with would take a few hours at the very least to really go over and reasonably days!

The Rabbit Hole website was suspended a few days ago after stereologist and I were both going at it a little in a nice way of course from my end well at least that's how I always am but this took place only after stereologist seemed so aggressive on coming after anything to do with Nibiru" "Brown Dwarf "Nemesis" "Wormwood" threads etc.

My email account was hacked into the same evening the Rabbit Hole website was suspended, meanwhile stereologist was posting non-stop in the threads having to do with this subject matter.

What you have suggested is something to really consider and viewers should review the Evidence & Facts sections/links etc first before taking a possible paid off debunker's word for it.

Best Wishes!

Here are the links again for those following:
the-rabbits-hole.com...
comingearthchanges.phpbb3now.com...
yowusa.com...
www.ec2011.com...
www.poleshift2011.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 18-4-2010 by ET_MAN]

Ok, so I've been watching these threads on Nibiru, Planet x, etc. with much interest for the past few weeks. I did some deep, exhaustive research on articles/info throughout the internet, and I came up with my own conclusions on what is coming. Does everyone understand the correlation to this "legend" and the ancient Sumerians..? The Sumerians KNEW about our solar system, and the concept of time that we use today came from them. How odd that we are using the exact model of measurement for time that they developed...yet we forgot everything that they knew about our universe. Why is it that cultures and civilizations all over the world have WRITTEN (either in texts like the Kolbrin and Christian bibles, or on stone/rock) about the end of days, and the coming of a "heavenly" body to destroy our world? These beliefs all are VERY SIMILAR at their core...and they span centuries, and are ALL OVER THE WORLD. Think about the fact that we haven't even had intercontinental travel until the LATE 1400's!!!!! How did all of these peoples know the same thing..? Sumerians, Easter Island, Central America, North America, England, Patagonia, China, Siberia...and quite possibly more places, all have records of ancient civilizations depicting a "destroyer of worlds", coming from the heavens, raining fire and brimstone from the sky. Causing great earthquakes and tidal waves, and weather anomolies. I've found waaaaaaaaay too much info about this to type it all out on here...all you have to do is type in "recent astronomy news" in google, and you'll find everything that I've found about the "new" discoveries that astronomers and government agencies are "finding" all of the sudden. This was all foretold, and not that long ago, by a gentleman in a thread here on ATS that I read...actually, the video(s) are in this string, in fact. His exact words were "the government will start "finding" objects similar to Nibiru, as it gets closer, and becomes viewable to the general public"...that was on Jan. 27th of this year. Do the "astronomy news" search in google, and you'll find that, since Feb. of this year, scientists have "discovered": 9 extra-solar planets(multiple having orbits opposite the rotation of their star...just like the legend of Nibiru), at least two of these planets have eliptic orbits (just like the legend of Nibiru), they've also found a couple brown dwarfs, VERY CLOSE TO OUR SOLAR SYSTEM, and they've even found another planet that is "so close to Earth, that it has to be a part of our solar system" Mar. 11, 2010. Oh, yeah, and they are saying that this "new" planet in our solar system may have that eliptic orbit, too. I haven't even mentioned what IRAS has seen, or the telescopes in Chile and Palo Verde...or even what the SPT found! More evidence that the powers that be know something, and want to keep it from us as long as they can.
I've seen something in the sky, and I don't know what it is. I'm wondering if anyone can help me..? I live in Irvine CA, and on 4/12/2010, I was outside during the setting sun, and I saw a VERY bright body in the sky just up and to the right of the sun, as the sun was disappearing behind the horizon. I looked up some star charts, and I still can't figure out if what I saw was Venus, or not. I know that there is an astronomical alignment right now that puts Venus, Mercury, and Mars in close proximity to each other, but this was VERY VERY bright. It was the first object to appear in the sky, and was there very early in the sunset...like how the moon shows up before the sun is gone. And, being that it was sooooo close to the sun in the sky, I have a feeling it's either Venus or Mercury. My question is, where would I look in my nighttime sky to see the supposed path of Nibiru..? I'm aware that legend says it comes from the belt of Orion, but I'm having trouble locating, and google earth has had that section blank for a while........hmmmmm......

[edit on 18-4-2010 by TolanIsMaximus]

Why is the rabbit hole down..?

I wanted to say that I am an independent researcher, with a love for physics, and astrophysics. I am in NO WAY claiming to be any sort of expert on anything...ask my wife..!

I hate to post on my post on my post...but...I think that it's important to remember that the physics that we base all of our "scientific" ideas about the universe today are from the last 150 years or so. And most have not even been proven to be rule or law. It's funny that the discoveries made within the past year have disproven many current "theories" about how the universe/our solar system/Earth came to be. Couldn't it stand to reason, then, that we are ALL wrong...in some way, at least..? The truth is, we will never know the truth, until the truth is upon us...and maybe not even then! At any rate, hate, fear, anger, and pride wont' get anyone anywhere. The only way to truly save humanity, is through love, acceptance, caring, understanding, and love.

Peace and Love to you all!

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Why don't you look at these posts and learn about the issues and the relevant articles.
PAN-STARRS post
Jewett post
Mike Brown]

So you don't like the message and now you attack the messenger. Pax

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You're telling abit of a falsehood there ET_Man. I have gone over some of the documents. I went over the Moore videos and found them to be full of errors. SO you back off of them.

The real story is that there is a simpler way to prove no new planets exist in the orbits of the known planets. You use the methods of astronomy and not bad translations and misleading statements concerning myths.

I am ROTFLMAO about being paid. I appreciate the humor. Cheers to you for making this a fun day.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by ET_MAN

 

I am ROTFLMAO about being paid. I appreciate the humor. Cheers to you for making this a fun day.

don't focus on this site too much, wouldn't want it to interrupt your busy lifestyle.

Originally posted by ET_MAN

Originally posted by SunnyDee

The Rabbit Hole website was suspended a few days ago after stereologist and I were both going at it ...
this took place only after stereologist seemed so aggressive on coming after anything to do with Nibiru...

My email account was hacked into the same evening the Rabbit Hole website was suspended, meanwhile stereologist was posting non-stop in the threads having to do with this subject matter.

ET_MAN, you claim to be a human/entity from a different time and you predict that there are coming changes to the earth with catastrophes beginning in October 2011. (h1) Why, would you post your beliefs in a very low (relatively) population message board as opposed to some venue which would reach more people? (h2)


That question aside, wouldn't you also be aware of basic computer security; your posts even imply that this is some sort of illusion/program world. If your account was hacked, likely someone guessed your password or your computer security was deficient in some other manner. With your knowledge of upcoming events, you should know enough to prevent such a security breach or at least predict the event ahead of time. You have neither predicted your account will be hacked nor had enough security knowledge to prevent it.


As ET_MAN so often concludes his threads with enlightening questions:

Is a hacked account even worth a mention in light of coming earth changes?




h1> information taken from your thread ET MAN at www.abovetopsecret.com... , see page 2

h2> My reply to your thread: Warnings From the Benevolents is located on page 153, www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Hegemon]

[edit on 18-4-2010 by Hegemon]

reply to post by TolanIsMaximus


Ever read Eliade's The Sacred and the Profane? You might like it.

All objects have elliptical orbits. Kepler figured that out. So having an elliptical orbit is a must. A brown dwarf really close to us is one within 10 light years. A new planet discovered on March 11, 2010? Do you have a link for that finding?

The 3 planets you named are not close to each other. Mars is over by Cancer. Venus and Mercury are close to the setting sun. You probably saw Venus. Mercury is hard to see.

Try going to space.com and using the interactive planetarium.

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I understand that the planets orbits' are all eliptical to an extent, but some the ones that have been newly discovered, are said to have orbits that are extremely eliptic:

www.astronomyreport.com...

"According to the research team, the best alternative migration theory suggests that the proximity of Hot Jupiters to their stars is not due to interactions with the dust disk at all, but to a slower evolution involving a gravitational tug-of-war with more distant planetary or stellar companions over hundreds of millions of years. Bounced onto a tilted and elongated orbit, a wandering gas giant would suffer tidal friction every time it swung close to the star, eventually becoming parked in a near circular, but randomly tilted orbit close to the star. "In this scenario, smaller planets in orbits similar to Earth's are unlikely to survive," said Rachel Street."

These are just a few of the other articles that I've investigated...I have found very very many:

www.space.com...

www.space.com...

utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+spaceheadlines+%28SPACE.com+Headline+Feed%29

en.wikipedia.org...(star)

blogs.discovermagazine.com...

www.sciencenews.org...

Now, none of these articles even touch on the religious similarities of the civilizations spanning the globe, and 6000 years of time since the Sumerians, but there is irrefutable evidence that they were more aware of the solar system than we were just 200 years ago, and maybe even now. I could go into what I've found in the archaeological arena, but I grow tired of typing. Watch this instead:

www.youtube.com...

If you do the research, the information is available, and everywhere. Modern man thought the world was flat until about 600 years ago...it's not that hard to imagine what else we could be wrong about.........

reply to post by stereologist


Oh, and I almost forgot, I did go to a couple different "sky viewers" and that's how I found out about the "unique alignment" that is going on with Mars, Venus, Mercury, and Earth for the next few weeks. I wish that I could find the original article that I saw this in, it had a very informative video that showed the positions of the planets in the sky relative to each other. This is the only article that I could find that explains (sort of) what I saw on the video:

www.astronomytoday.com...

This article only says that Venus and Mercury will have very little separation in the sky, and other planets will be viewed in the same general direction as these two.

The more I read, the more I think that the body that I saw may have been Venus. I am going to head up into the hills this evening to get a better look at the western sky. I live in Irvine, and there is too much light down here to see the night sky clearly. I'm so close to the array up on Palo Verde...I wonder if they'd allow a "walk-in"...lol

reply to post by TolanIsMaximus


went to space.com, and found this:

Mar. 28 to Apr. 12: Venus and Mercury Pair Up

The two worlds make for an attractive pair in the west-northwest sky soon after sunset. Between these two dates these two planets are within 5 degrees of each other, Venus appearing to the left and slightly above the dimmer Mercury. On April 3, they will appear closest together, just a little over 3 degrees apart.

Now, my only questions are, how bright are these supposed to appear (because, what I saw was VERY bright, and I could see this object in the precise direction of the sun, BEFORE the sun had passed the horizon), and which direction in the sky would Nibiru be arriving from (if it exists, naturally)..?

reply to post by TolanIsMaximus


Venus is very bright. Mercury is hard to see. I've seen Mercury a few times, but that was because I was a looking when it was very visible. I am quite impressed that ancients realized Mercury as a planet. Venus has been bright enough that it has been suggested that Venus could cast a shadow. You need a bright Venus, and no moon.

Hope you see both Venus and Mercury and Mars and whatever else you can spot.

reply to post by TolanIsMaximus


That's a nice set of articles you linked to. I think it is interesting that Nemesis is being considered to have an orbit around 1/3 light year. The other idea was that it had an orbit was unstable. I can't see how an unstable orbit could lead to periodic extinctions.

Anyways I wanted to point out that the idea of the world being a sphere was known 600 years ago. What Columbus did wrong was thinking that the earth was smaller than it is. He barely had provisions to made it to the New World.

From the wikipedia entry on flat earth
Flat Earth - Wikipedia

Some writers have claimed that the notion of a flat earth persisted through the Dark Ages as a belief held by Medieval Christianity, but this view is generally dismissed as a modern fabrication

The video you linked to is not the sort of place where you want to get good information. It begins with this dismal claim that the spiral seen in Norway was not a failed rocket launch. Then it moves to showing that spirals are seen in petroglyph art. He never shows that they are related. What he does is show pictures and then gives his own interpretation of the meanings. He claims they are associated with death. In fact, they are believed to represent among other things water. In the American Southwest water is life, not death. At 6:13 in the video Lucus lables a set of concentric circles as a spiral. He then dates these to be 3600+ years old.

Ancient Rock Art is Still a Mystery

According to the experts at Petroglyph National Monument in Albuquerque, New Mexico, most petroglyphs date from AD 1300-1650, although some may be as much as 3,000 years old. Petroglyphs in Wyoming's Legend Rock have been dated to at least 5,700 years of age.

What we learn from this is that Lucus has falsified the date of most of the rock art to fit his claim.

The religious and astronomical meaning of spirals is suggested by a discovery at Chaco Canyon.

Solar Calendars

Most petroglyph sites in the park date from about 1000-1350 A.D. The petroglyphs are primarily geometric designs with several basic design elements appearing frequently, especially spirals and circles.

In 1977 a spiral petroglyph at Chaco Canyon National Monument was discovered which displayed a precise interaction with sunlight at the time of summer solstice by means of a narrow shaft of sunlight that moved down a shadowed rock face to bisect the center of a large spiral petroglyph. Subsequent observations found that on winter solstice and equinoxes there were intriguing interactions of sunlit shafts with the large spiral and a smaller spiral nearby. No other example of a sunlight interaction with prehistoric or historic petroglyphs was known at this time.

Lucus claims that spirals are only found in mountains. Does that agree with the spirals found in Nicaragua?

From Ometepe

As noted above, spirals are common, and are apparently used in several ways. Two attached spirals appear to represent the island, with its two volcanoes. Spirals also are used to depict the head of anthromorphic figures.

Anasazi Ridge Petroglyphs

Common elements include spirals, anthropomorphs, footprints- human and animal, blanket designs, species nonspecific quadrupeds, and sheep- square body and rounded.

Yes it's true that spirals are found everywhere, but what do they mean? Lucus has no idea.

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Hi Hegemon,

ET_MAN, you claim to be a human/entity from a different time

Just like you and everyone else with some extraordinary personal experiences including an NDE.

and you predict that there are coming changes to the earth with catastrophes beginning in October 2011. (h1)

There is no such thing as “TIME” so dates are irrelevant coming from the “INFINTE” perspective, I could tell you that it would happen today, today and today and it wouldn't really make any difference. The bottom line here is that Earth Changes will come and the inevitability of your death remains.

It will come eventually so are you ready and prepared for such an occasion?

Have you made amends with everyone around you?

Have you forgiven everyone and asked forgiveness from everyone?

Are you doing good things in your life and thinking about the Infinite since you will go to a place and finally wake up/remember who you were all along on a much higher level of awareness and you will also know what you came to Earth for---specific reason/purpose and if perhaps for some reason you did not accomplish those things you originally set-out/intended to do then you just might be in great disappointment/pain/sorrow.

Trust me on that and get "WISE" with life is my message for everyone.

You can forget about the other "WISE" and "NEMESIS" but clean up the act in the physical is what's more important because death is an inevitability for all. I witness to you that YES there is life beyond this flesh for I have seen, been and know.

If your not on good terms with people when you leave the flesh they could even hold you back from seeing some of your loved one's in this Life or separate you from them in another. But from the Infinite/Eternal perspective you will see them again no matter what- where there's no such thing as “TIME” or “MATTER.”

Why, would you post your beliefs in a very low (relatively) population message board as opposed to some venue which would reach more people? (h2)

Everything has a reason/purpose and nothing's by accident or coincidence such things do not exist from an Infinite/Eternal perspective and things are planned out much more than you think. It's not an accident that you are reading this now and it's no coincidence that you will probably think more about some of what I share with you. It does have a reason/purpose as all things have a reason/purpose, sometimes a person can lead someone to water but if they don't know that it's water they can never recognize/see it and ever be able to partake of it. The water is not mine I'm offering but the "INFINITE" and everyone can have a glass of it if they look deep within themselves to find it.

Something to think about:

How can a person fear monger when there's no such thing as death and nothing to fear in the first place where there is no first for those with understanding of the “INFINITE.” There is absolutely nothing to fear in the long run where there's no such thing as long coming from the Infinite/Eternal perspective.

"FEAR NOT-What is Not Real, never was and never will be. What is Real, Always Was and Cannot Be Destroyed.Consciousness is ETERNAL it is not vanquished with the destruction of the "Temporal Body."

The only thing to fear is fear itself and death is an illusion. Life is Death and Death is life from an Infinite/Eternal perspective where there's no such thing as Death. Just another word for the finite human mind to better understand something that it does not understand. There is nothing to ever fear from an "INFINITE"---"ETERNAL" perspective, so have no fear and never fear.

The secret to this existence is to discover who and what you are which is "ETERNAL" and the "INFINITE" overcoming the finite/temporal body/mind. Everything has a reason/purpose and everyone is on their own path working their way through life in the midst of "ETERNITY" where there is no "TIME" to the "INFINITY" & "BEYOND" through "Eternal Progression."

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Albert Einstein

Always be prepared on a "Spiritual" level for the inevitability of Death.

Overcome the fear of death understanding the true "Infinite Nature" found within all things knowing that you will live on forever.

Live life to the best of your ability and never let fear or worry weigh you down understanding that "Death" is an inevitability but at the same time "Death" is nothing to worry or fear because if your alive now in the present you will live on forever.

Wishing you “INFINITE”
Eternal Peace, Light & Love!
Best Wishes!
Best Dreams!
Always!

Follow The Infinity/Space/Time Bunny!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 18-4-2010 by ET_MAN]

Ancient Altered States

There is another place you can reliably see these images, and that is inside your head. In the 1960s, neuropsychologists began cataloging the visual imagery of altered states of consciousness. Subjects given lsd or mescaline would lie on mattresses, describing their visions into researchers’ tape recorders. The first stage of the hallucinogenic experience—whether brought on by drugs, sensory deprivation, fasting, or rhythmic movement—is characterized by recurring geometric patterns, known variously as phosphenes or entoptics. The seven most common categories strike a familiar chord: grids, parallel lines, dots, zigzags, nested curves, meanders, and spirals.

The article suggests that the shapes seen are not externally viewed images, but images seen in the mind and sensory systems during 'visions'. And these visions are then made into petroglyphs.

Entoptic means within the eye. It’s believed that these geometric patterns derive from the optic system itself. In some instances, says Whitley, you’re basically seeing what’s in your eyeball. Retinal blood vessels and floaters—the faint squiggly lines that meander across the vision field—may be the anatomic inspiration for dots and meandering line entoptics. Concentric circles, spirals, and grids are probably generated by neurons firing in the visual cortex and the retina.

reply to post by ET_MAN


I'm still waiting for your response in regards to your insults aimed at me previously in this thread. Don't be disrespectful, yet again, and reply properly. Unless you want to go back on what you said which would make you a flat our liar?

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Please understand, that the "Lucas" video that I referenced was simply to show a place to view reference material on the spiritual/religious similarities. In reference to the "mountains" part: from what I've seen online, and witnessed with my own eyes (in the Sonoran Desert, and on the Mogollon Rim of AZ), most petroglyphs are found on "high ground" or elevated...suggesting that it was to either protect them from, or depict, a flood. As I stated in my first post, I have my beliefs about what's to come. I wasn't raised in a religious household, and have explored many religions and cultures with "eyes unclouded" by preset ideals...just good ethics and morals. This has allowed me to not have such a polarized stance on issues...and allows me to keep an open mind. The "rules" that we live by, unfortunately, aren't so impartial. I have viewed so many websites of ancient cultures/religions/legend/lore/prophecy/history, that I feel like a walking encyclopedia. I have read books/articles/reference material/historical records of astronomy, astrophysics, archaeology, geography, climatology, and planetology. Never, until Nibiru, have I ever found anything that tied everything together. The suggested passing of a planet and it's satellites every 3000-6000 years, would help explain a multitude of geologic/climatic findings (in relation to the "cycles" that the earth has gone through), as well as shed light on the religious and spiritual aspects. This thread, minus the aggressive and aggitative comments, has been a good source of knowledge on the subject, and has, actually, been my first involvement in any thread on this site. Although I've followed this site for a while now, even investigated the purported pictures of Phoenix National Cemetary's expansion from a while back! I didn't see anything unusual, by the way. I do see many people with different view on this, and it seems that some just come here to be angry, and some just come here to find answers. I have, and always will, come here for some insight into those things that are just out of the norm...like me. To StereoLogic, I see that you put much effort into your ideas, and I appreciate that you have replied to me with eloquence, and depth to your information...but, I think that only time will tell what's out there. All you and I can do is speculate...unless you're an astrophysicist at Palo Verde...then you'd carry some serious clout! And I still have yet to receive an answer from anyone on what it is that I saw in the sky! Probably Venus...but...I can't see it tonight, the sky is cloudy...in SoCal, no less!

The problem with the video is that Lucus is not a good starting point for anything. He makes things up as he goes along and keeps telling you that all he is doing is giving you facts. That's not true at all. In the case of the petroglyphs he is telling you his novice interpretation of these symbols with clearly no understanding of their context. His casual comments of 'this is death' and 'associated with death' are his interpretations. Saying that the trees are dead is his interpretation. To say they are only in the mountains is the experience of someone that didn't look too hard.

If you get out to Albuquerque check out Petroglyphs NM.
Petroglyphs NM
You'll see that the petroglyphs are often out in the open. They last there without shelter. Many places where the stone is softer such as Horseshoe Canyon, only sheltered and high up petroglyphs have endured.

To state that no planet can enter the part of the solar system where the known planets exist is not a speculation, but a statement based on the current scientific knowledge. Part of what I posted were statements made by Brown of CalTech.

What you saw was very likely to be Venus. It would be the brightest object in the sky where you were looking.