For Alien Believers...How do you deal?

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


Star and Flag!!

I go through the same thing...I love speaking in such an intellectual way that what I say sounds credible , forone...but then, like you, I give them a "You IDIOT" look when say there could not possibly be anything other than us "special, unique' earthlings

When I try to explain the ancient astronaut theory ( which I strongly belive in as well), they can't fathom anything other than a magical man in a cloud being the one who seeded this universe and everything in it...

INSANE

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


Dear LaurenVirgo

I go this way, I say nothing to any of them.

They are all so involved in football or some other sport that if ET taped them on the shoulder they would not even look up.

Perhaps TPTB have it right 95% of the population of the world just can not handle it, if it is not about who put in the winning goal they are not interested.

I know I am right and I dont try to push my opininon onto anyone...

i'll just reply directly to the OP:

some nights i truly wish i had never fallen into it at all, or learned about it. i wish i hadn't seen or experienced the things i have, so i could just turn the lights out and lay my head down peacefully without tensing up and being even too scared to roll around and look into the darkness...

i only talk about it with people if i think they'll listen to me for more than 60 seconds about the subject, and have only shared with a handful of people the things that have happened to me.

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


I just get on with it offering the occasional resistance.. i'm just smug in the fact that i will be proven right soon enough.

When i am i'll have the last laugh on the narrow minded people

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


I used to get really upset and start shouting and have heated arguments with people who ridiculed me, this was some time ago though.

Life and us humans are evolving and changing at such a pace now, those who completely deny the existence of another life form existing EVER are few and far between. Nowadays you will hear something like "Of course, there must be, we can't be the only ones" yet when you ask them whether they believe that we have made contact......that is a different story.

You see people you speak to who class ufology as a religion/cult who wish not to educate themselves on the topic do so because they are scared, scared of change and scared of seeing what life is really like, its a hell of alot easier and safer (irony) for them to live in their bubble. No matter how many facts and figures you quote they will turn inwards and settle down for their everlasting sleep in their shell.

Its not until they make the decision for themselves and open their eyes and
confront their fears.

I will give you an example, I have a friend whom I have known now for 5 years or so. When I first met him he believed that his government was doing everything for him and that everyone in control had our interests at heart, he didn't believe that any government had made contact with ET and certainly didn't believe that a life could exist in front of his eyes that he couldn't see. I tried and I tried to open his eyes but to no avail. Then one day out of the blue, he told me of an ordeal he had with a group of police officers, he couldn't believe how prejudiced they were to him and another group he was with filming for his company. They were told that they couldn't film in the street due to 'terrorism laws' had their names taken and equipment searched, from that day on he became a different man, I showed him a few bits and pieces and from there he ran with it. Its taken a while and now he has a much more open mind about how power corrupts and how the illusion of money is sold all over the world. Whilst some people think power,corruption and Money is diverting away from the OP this is not true, everything in this world that is hidden from us is made up of these components. Once you start to see this, the rest falls in to place.

In order for people to begin to understand they must experience/glimpse the life that has been hidden directly in front of them since birth.

reply to post by zaiger


Yeah. That could only happen if Good and Evil are real.

Hmm. Come to think of it. I believe Good and Evil are real. We see it everyday. There is prove of it. Then usually the argument of just our perception of Good and Evil comes into play. I say if we perceive it that makes it more real. So yes. If there are Aliens. I would say some is Good and some is Evil. We all believe that certain people are evil just as believe that certain people are good. I would think that is something that would be universal. Of course we really do not know if someone is good or evil, only our perception of the what the individual in question has shown us based on our five sense's.

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


what do you believe about aliens and UFOs ?

Originally posted by ButterCookie
I go through the same thing...I love speaking in such an intellectual way that what I say sounds credible , forone...but then, like you, I give them a "You IDIOT" look when say there could not possibly be anything other than us "special, unique' earthlings...

I agree (and I believe) that there most likely is other life somewhere in the universe. However, because it is only my opinion and there is no real proof of other intelligent life in the universe, I'm not going to call people who disagree with me "idiots". That person could just as easily and rightfully call me an idiot for not taking his/her side of this "non-definitive" issue.

Whether or not aliens have visited the Earth in spaceships is a whole other issue and should not be so easily mixed in with the "is there other intelligent life" question.

Personally (my opinion), it is likely there is intelligent life in the universe because of 1) the shear size of the universe, and 2) the seeming tenaciousness for life to exist in extreme places.

Having said that, I find less good evidence for alien visitation (and please -- do NOT give me your evidence; I most likely have seen it). I wish there was proof of alien visitation, but what I wish is irrelevant.



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Originally posted by drac88
Good question. But the answer is simple.
You're aware, we're aware. Your job is to educate the people around you about these things. If they can't accept the information then move on to someone else. They'll eventually be faced with reality.
The people who just don't believe are like little babies. They're children. They haven't grown up and realized the world around them yet and don't worry because one day they will. And they'll all come back to you and say "Lauren, you were right. I'm an idiot."

So how do I personally deal with it? Patience. Soon enough this will all be common knowledge and people like us will go from being ridiculed to being praised. Don't worry it will happen. Just be patient. And enjoy your knowledge.

That's basically what I do, if I can't argue with someone I'll just move on, still it's beyond frustrating and I do in a way view them as children as you do, denying their soul, denying everything around them.. I have to deal with my intolerance when it comes to these types of things cause ultimately as I see it they're holding all of us back with their fundamentalist notions and it's driving my ego insane. Luckily I have this inner voice that keeps telling me 'don't worry it doesn't matter'.

It's funny when I think about it, I wonder: "how is it that in all these years, 40-50 years, none of these grown ups has ever contemplated the possibility and searched for the evidence, how is it possible to live that long without finding something like this out?"

I think it has a lot to do with mass media conditioning, the veil of ridicule, straight up denial, fear, ego, the materialistic science paradigm and conformism.

I haven't been into ufology for long but as soon as I started viewing the evidence I became more and more convinced.. to me it's blatantly obvious, especially when you look into ancient civilisations.

Why is it that some people recognise this as obvious? What's up with that? Holistic thinking? Balanced brain hemispheres? Our higher souls decided to reincarnate us here for that purpose?
I think being an empath can potentially lead you to the path, just the ability to absorb feelings, adapt and over time learn to view things from every perspective opens up a lot of possibilities and knowledge which leads to wisdom. The more viewpoints the fuller the picture becomes.
I also think that hardships and pain is a catalysis for learning, every time I've had a long hard depression I see it as symbolically dying.. and when it's over I rise from the ashes as a Phoenix with a slightly updated perspective/persona.
Just some thoughts I've had for a long time..

Its best to simply state something akin to the following when they say this or that is impossible:

"I respect your religion and I simply disagree. The science shows that there are more than likely a tremendous amount of advanced alien civilizations. I tend to think as our own science goes forward, we will one day be able to either bend space to make a seemingly long trip take a short time, or find one of many ways travelling vast distances almost instantly thats either being theorized, or in the works. I believe that any advanced civilization will eventually make the venture, and the only question is my mind is, are we currently being visited regularly, are we left alone to develop, or is it somewhere in between."

Your religion (so to speak) is grounded in a general scientific principle known as the Drake Equasion. I would learn that, and then ask what principle or equasion they base their belief or religion on.

reply to post by zaiger


Agreed with what you say, these other dimensional beings are crazy stories of pot smoking hippies.

Also to go offtopic your avatar creeped me the hell out.
It's the same as Weise's..i said to myself "I thought he was dead.." when i saw your name i calmed down.

Cool avatar though
Helghast?

reply to post by TheLaughingGod


What exactly do you find "obvious"? -- That intelligent alien life exists elsewhere in the universe, or that aliens are visiting the Earth in spaceships?

I personally think that one is much more obvious than the other, however there is no solid proof of either one or the other -- not enough for me to think someone is being "intolerant" for not thinking the same way I think.

Originally posted by Raider of Truth
these other dimensional beings are crazy stories of pot smoking hippies.

Dr Rick Strasmman would disagree with you I feel. Science doesn't always hold the answers.

I say too them a fact my science teacher gave me, which goes something like this


"There are more stars in the universe than grains of sand on EVERY beach in the ENTIRE world"

So that makes it seem perfectly logical that what happened to earth over these billions and billions of years, could've easily happened at least ONCE more somewhere else in the universe...

... People don't realise how big the universe is, so they don't contimplate that there's any other life, but we know there is

Originally posted by vanhippi
... People don't realise how big the universe is, so they don't contimplate that there's any other life, but we know there is

Again, you are confusing the question of "is there other intelligent life in the Universe" with "are aliens visiting the Earth in spaceships". Those are two separate issues.

You said "People don't realise how big the universe is, so they don't contemplate that there's any other life", but polls show that most people do in fact believe that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe -- most likely because of what you pointed out: The universe is a really big place, and many of those people understand that.

...However, less people believe in alien visitation.

The idea that the universe is so big the other intelligent life most likely exists does NOT automatically mean that we are being visited by that life. Similarly, just because someone says "I don't have enough evidence of alien visitation to believe in it" does NOT mean that the person thinks humans are the only intelligent life in the Universe.

Like I said, those are two separate and distinct issues. I wish people would stop combining them.


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reply to post by LaurenVirgo


You can't push your beliefs on people. It's the same as religious people saying "what do you mean you don't believe in god?!"

So learn from that. Don't push what you're selling or else nobody's buying.

reply to post by LaurenVirgo


To me, it doesn't matter the slightest as to what other people think. i believe what I choose to believe. If they think I'm crazy, let'em! It's no skin off my ass. People with closed minds will generally shoot down those with open minds, they see or hear something that might shake up how they see things and they blatantly shoot the messenger.

Long story short: You believe what you want to believe, and if someone doesn't like it. That's their tough s*@t.

Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow.

Originally posted by urbanzen
How are you going to convince 95% of all people, when you are trying to prove alien existence on non-concrete facts? (we have all the evidence, but each evidence is actively debunked by anti's, and government/military). We have a lot of other agendas working against alien awareness, and the common teachings, from school, to the media (movies, books, other fictions) depicts aliens as such wild beings, that it's made into common sense that these would be fakes.

What it boils down to is whether it's religion or aliens or whatever, believing in something automatically implies that there's missing information. If you had all the facts, then you wouldn't have to believe. You'd know one way or another.

Dealing with horrible skeptics like myself is easy. Just be honest. Just admit that there are holes in your lines of reasoning, but you expect or hope that those holes will be filled sometime in the future with facts that back up your expectations. I think we're all waiting for that.

Originally posted by shagreen heart
i'll just reply directly to the OP:

some nights i truly wish i had never fallen into it at all, or learned about it. i wish i hadn't seen or experienced the things i have, so i could just turn the lights out and lay my head down peacefully without tensing up and being even too scared to roll around and look into the darkness...

i only talk about it with people if i think they'll listen to me for more than 60 seconds about the subject, and have only shared with a handful of people the things that have happened to me.

Did you share them with ATS ?
Cause I'm interested.