For Alien Believers...How do you deal?

And even then, we could still be wrong. So, knowing that, you can figure out how confident you should be in your belief of aliens when you can't even come up with nearly that level of supportive evidence.

Answer: Not very.

"Not Very"?

I'd have to respectfully agree to disagree here.

We have tons of photos, videos (and prior to the modern methods of easy manipulation), testimony from pilots and military officers, even deathbed confessions. Especially important, is when the different evidence corroborates the same account, just as you'd want to see in a trial.

If you truly believe we are the only sentient life-form in the Universe, then that is certainly your prerogative, but as tenacious as life is on Earth, I have to feel it is likewise throughout the Universe...and statistically, the odds would not seem to be in your favor...

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well micro organisms and fungi do count as living things so replace the second "fish" word with "life" and the logic is pretty steady

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yep sure is...
and if he/she wants to get technical the first life on earth originated from single celled organisms even that 1 fish in the tank..so given the right amount of time and right enviorment that micro organism would become a fish. atleast thats what modern science would tell us assuming God didnt just place the 1st fish there and even if he did thats how it would still go down like i said given the right enviorment and time because thats how life works...if the fish dies there would be bacteria from the decomposition!
and it would need the "right" enviorment to survive and sustain life anyways...The circle of life is just amazing!
next debunker plz....u notice not many in here lol

I am and always have been a fence rider on the subject. Much of the time both sides make pretty good points. I often get labeled as a skeptic for trying to debunk, but really that's just part of the validation process. I think there is a lot of good evidence out there on the subject of UFOs but nothing really proving they are alien craft.

I do however keep an open mind on the subject and try to be as objective as possible. I like to be the voice of reason, or the mediator if you will.

I cannot confirm or deny whether I believe they are real because frankly neither side has convinced me nor has my own research on the subject. To be honest, I think this is how most people should be.

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we know sometimes people lie or tell the truth so we can often figure out if there lying or telling the truth...we know often why they are lying or telling the truth and why they do it. if we put together a plausible scenario as of why they are lying or telling the truth...who when where why and their credibility we can find out pretty sure of ourselves if they are lying or not
i admit some could be wrong but given the amount of testimonies and reports( just like a murder case if there is enough witnesses)...so knowing this we can figure how confident we are in believing in the existence of aliens and ufo's...and i just showed you how to connect the dots for the supportive evidence...
answer- more than you can imagine

your logic is lacking once again my friend
i agree to disagree also because you debunkers cant debunk something that is undebunkable lol

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me too but if you do extensive research on the subject and connect the right dots the evidence is there... usually im not one to force my beliefs on someone but when someone is saying the evidence is lacking it makes me think there close minded and only look where they want to and im reffering to the other poster not you lol...
Open mind never hurt anyone unless its so open there brain falls out so to speak...
Thats where you got to start if you want to figure anything out...
id refer dan burisch, dr steven greer and david wilcock all these guys present facts about the subject!

Originally posted by Gazrok
I'd have to respectfully agree to disagree here.

We have tons of photos, videos (and prior to the modern methods of easy manipulation), testimony from pilots and military officers, even deathbed confessions. Especially important, is when the different evidence corroborates the same account, just as you'd want to see in a trial.

I understand. But, again, this isn't a trial. And at the end of the day, what do all the photos and testimony and so on add up to? People sometimes see and photograph weird things. That's all.

Does that mean aliens? Why should it? Because it couldn't be anything else? Well, there are always other possibilities, including the ones we don't know anything about. That's why positive proof is the only thing that will work in this situation. And we don't have any.

Originally posted by BroketheWall
i agree to disagree also because you debunkers cant debunk something that is undebunkable lol

You're not really helping your cause. Debunkers can't debunk something that doesn't have any real substance to it, like the "evidence" for aliens. There's nothing there to debunk.

Originally posted by ashanu90
well micro organisms and fungi do count as living things so replace the second "fish" word with "life" and the logic is pretty steady

Well, try this analogy then, because you're getting hung up on the whole "living things" idea:

Suppose you have a marble in a relatively small box. And you have no idea how it got there, but there it is. That's the situation we have here on Earth. Life on the planet, but how it got here, nobody knows. Now make that small box bigger... and bigger... and bigger...

At what point does another marble appear in the box? And how does it get there? How big does the box have to be? Well, who knows? Because nobody knows how the first marble got in the box in the first place. Maybe there's only one marble! And making the box bigger isn't going to magically increase the chances of there being another one.

That's what you're dealing with when you consider ET life. And at this point, we still only have one marble. Maybe there's another one out there. Maybe not. But you just can't assume there is, just because you got a bigger box.

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The best advice I can give you is... don't stress yourself out on someone who does not agree with you. Over many years..and I do mean many , I have found very few that believe that life exist on other worlds in our huge Universe filled with billions of Galaxies. The law of averages should tell anyone who is remotely familiar with Astronomy that the possibility is there.
But ..most people really are not into that. For many, their world is very small and encompasses mainly about a 30 mile radius.
My son accompanied his boss to church this past Sunday and the subject was on technology and how it is was spreading mayhem in the world. BUT.. the odd thing about this was that his Boss is the president of a software co!!! Now we all know what mayhem would exist if something knocked out our satellites, our power and computers control about everything now. I do about everything online now.
People who are very intelligent, but somehow put blinders on when they attend church. I think my son was as confused about that one as I was. But he was smart and did not say anything to cause MAYHEM!!!!

There's a few sayings that come to mind,
You cant teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.
If a donkey bray at you dont bray back.
This too shall pass.
Opinions are like but holes, everyone has one.
and Never ever talk about fight club.
Are you feeling me on this one?

Originally posted by LaurenVirgo
I want to know how you guys deal with people who call you crazy or just won't "get" what you're trying to say?

I drop the subject, that allows the person to go back into their comfort zone again.

It doesn't really matter what anyone thinks or believes, and we sure don't have the right to keep trying to explain it over and over in the hope of convincing anyone.

Better then to drop it and move onto something else.

I'm a UFO witness and a lifelong abductee. The way i cope is to just not talk about it anymore with doubters. It was even worse when i was a child dealing with such knowledge, because the topic was even more laughed at. Ever since the X-files those things are almost in fashion.

I went through a period where i was trying to convince people it's all real, and then reached a point later in life where it just didn't matter what other people think. And you need to ask yourself, why does it matter to you if people 'believe' or not?

If you want to talk about it, just do it with people who aready know it's real. Don't waste your time arguing, because you'll never change anyones mind on this subject. Trust me.

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Hi Tayesin.

Gosh, being antagonizing is just that. Do you think in that way too sir ? OP's got a question. In my opinion, a good one.

Decoy

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Buy and read Laura Knight Jadczyk "High Strangeness".

Normally I disavow "channeling" but some of the stuff in this book is phenominal.

Hope this helps.

How do I deal?

Watch the movie, the original "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", the scene where the heroine and hero are leaving the building and the hero say's "Now look normal, keep a straight face no matter what you see and "they" won't know you are still not part of them".

Also, "They Live" a cheesy film but worth the view.

Keep your eyes, ears and gut open - remain silent and observe, pretend to "be like the rest" - But observe and note "they" are here and calling the shots for the time being.

Research, dig deeper, read-study-research "the alien agenda".

And know that you are not alone, there are many of us that know what is going on, we are biding our time and quietly keeping score.

We must form a united front - not fight but unite. United we stand, divided we fall - and "they" are trying their hardest to splinter us.

There is a unseen, unheard and unspoken war going on of the most importance - it deals with all of humanity.

Tale courage in the fact you are not delusional or alone.

U2U me if you want.





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ok..ill start with ancient egypt, indians, sumerians, mayans...alll talk about ancient sky people but yet they were all separated by extremes amount of time and space...and all had wisdom of astronomy that we are just now starting to understand and some we cant even fathom still...then you have to explain the pyramids, stone henge, machu pichu, nazca lines, ect...how did they get such technology to make these things that we still cant recreate with the technology we have today...
we would probably see much more anomalies but some where probably demolished by weather or other civilizations. how did eygptians come up with the concept of math and the sumerians language and the mayans to get water to run up hill???? It seems these sky people would come down and and nudge humanity to the next step of evolution when they wanted to.
Then right when we have the capabilities to destroy are entire civilization we start seeing these craft in are skies and there getting more and more frequent every year..
That presents a whole other box of questions like...do they want to save us, the planet,both, or do they want us to know of their existence, our true history and spiritual nature...etc...
whatever it is these things want us to know something and their intentions arent hostile or they would have unleashed who knows what kind of weapon on us...
Not saying they're all good because who knows of the possibilities you said it yourself...and i would be happy to think of other possibilities other than their alien but the information of witnesses, history, and my own personal experiences prove otherwise...the witnesses are the same people who are called up for jury, witness, protect me and you, work in the government...the trust has to start somewhere, and if we cant trust are brothers an sisters who can we trust. Not everyone is a damn fool and a hoaxer!

we know its not a trial but if you want to weed through the info like its a trial to get anything worth while out of all the junk and disinfo...and i dont expect you to know all the things i know because ive had my own personal experience with a couple of ufo/aliens and afterwards i came out of the experience with a new outlook on life and intuitive abilities i never had before..and i had the experience right when i was on verge of suicide and if it wasnt for that i wouldnt be writing this right now!

other people have had similar experiences in order to see that other marble inside that box...one of these guys is dan burisch...one of the most sincere contactee/black ops you'll ever see.
just check out the 1st 5 minutes of this video and tell me if you think hes sincere and honest...
from minute 4 to 6 he talks about getting some of his own teammates killed because of what he was disclosing and you can see his sincerity from what hes saying in his body language and eyes...to better understand what hes talkin about you should start from video number 1...he's the real deal along with dr greer and david wilcock...because they present facts to back them up if you want proof.

www.youtube.com...

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Originally posted by Blue Shift

At what point does another marble appear in the box? And how does it get there? How big does the box have to be? Well, who knows? Because nobody knows how the first marble got in the box in the first place. Maybe there's only one marble! And making the box bigger isn't going to magically increase the chances of there being another one.

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If your talking about a marble and a box, you are absolutely right. A new marble will not magically appear in the box as the size of the box increases. The same holds true for space as well. Life will not magically appear as the size of space increases.

But the difference between space and the box is that we can see the confines of the box and everything within it. In regards to space, no matter how technology advances and no matter how far away we can see into space, we can't see all of it. Especially if things are moving around out there. An ever constantly changing continually expanding area puts any hope of finding everything completely out the window. Even if life exists elsewhere, chances are we will miss it by a few million light years to the left or right.

All we really have to go on that cannot be argued the way a story or a photo or a video can, is that the elemental building blocks of life that exist on Earth do exist in other places in space. I'm not talking simple compounds either, I mean elements in general. There's carbon out there. There's every element that carbon bonds with out there. So based merely on that, are the chemical building blocks of carbon-based life out there? If Carbon can bond with Nitrogen, Oxygen, and Hydrogen somewhere out there in the universe, with energy for such reactions being provided by any of a multitude of stars, then the answer is yes. For carbon based life forms at least.

Expanding an area wont magically create new life. But expanding the search area of space that was there already does increase the chances of finding life.

Edit to add: I make this reply to you Blue Shift when really I'm saying this more to everyone. It was your marble in a box analogy that inspired the post.

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I deal by believing whatever it is I want to believe. If someone is interested in hearing my theories, I'll gladly share. But I'm fully aware of how difficult it is trying to be a missionary or salesman for an idea or a cause. I'm not into that. If someone doesn't believe it, so be it.

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and whos to say we have the only box... quantum physics shows that however we receive are creation energy or particles has to be from a parallel universe because they cant track them with time and space!

I have studied societies enough to know that majority always trumps the minority, and we alien believers are minorities.

How are you going to convince 95% of all people, when you are trying to prove alien existence on non-concrete facts? (we have all the evidence, but each evidence is actively debunked by anti's, and government/military). We have a lot of other agendas working against alien awareness, and the common teachings, from school, to the media (movies, books, other fictions) depicts aliens as such wild beings, that it's made into common sense that these would be fakes.

That is why I only discuss alien topics among similar interest friends, and await others to be awaken from the blanket to join in the discussions.