Yowies stalk bushwalker in Blue Mountains Australia

reply to post by Cogito, Ergo Sum


Thank you for your analysis of this video, you've achieved some astonishing results.

Can you tell what colour the eyeshine is? Not that this would be conclusive, just interesting.

If someone was playing a prank and trying to frighten him, how would they be able to see in the dark and not stumble or run into something? Also, I'd think that people would make some verbal noises (especially stumbling around in the dark). My final query is, even if a couple of people remain close, but not close enough to be seen with a strong torch, they'd have to be pretty heavy for the steps to be heard as they are on the video. These aren't conclusions on my part, I'm just curious...

Any thoughts on these points?

Heffo, I have been studying the audio further. Cutting certain sections and replaying, applying various filters etc to try to get the background noise clearer/stronger. I would like to revise my thoughts that I couldn't be sure the noises came from something bipedal. It's now very obvious that at certain times the noises were made by something large and bipedal. I know that kangaroos can give the impression of something large walking around the bush as I have heard them while camping. Though once disturbed they bound away with a sound that is unmistakable, this sounds nothing like that.

At times it seems the footsteps are quite deliberate and exaggerated, as though the feet were being deliberately stomped loudly. At one stage the footsteps also appear to be that of something running quickly(around 1min 20sec), yet the noise seems to stay at the same distance and there is not the normal sound of undergrowth being disturbed, leaves/twigs crunching when something runs through the bush. Almost as though someone found a nice solid base and started running/stomping quickly on the spot (with very large feet?). Yet at other times it is obvious there is something (plural) walking around him of different sizes/weights?. It also appears that this background noise is happening virtually for the length of the video.

The sound of the projectile hitting the ground also gives the impression that it was very large, landing somewhere devoid of leaves twigs etc. I can actually hear it bounce and roll quite a bit after it lands. As though it were a very large piece of sandstone (common in the area), landing on firm clay. Very interesting.

I even cut out the parts where he is speaking to try and get a better listen to the background, but haven't picked up any sign of other voices, or anything that might be a giveaway of pranksters. The sound gathering of these cameras isn't generally very good either, the noises must have been quite loud to be picked up so (relatively) well. 50ft away sounds like no exageration, I would say to my untrained ears it all sounds quite closer than that at times. This is only what I have found though, I am a complete amateur.

The only real reason I had pranksters as one possible scenario is because it is possible, though after considering everything it does seem unlikely. A hoax would be more likely than this. Though personally at this stage I am not convinced that this is a simple hoax, for various reasons (though haven't completely ruled it out).

Which leaves the other alternative......


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The video isn't great quality, there are actually places where previous files appear over the top of the one in question. Though this isn't noticeable at normal speed. Camcorders aren't great at filming in low light from my experience and judging from the silhouette against the sky etc it looks to me like it was more “dusk” conditions than completely night time. The reflection I mentioned appears simply as white light in color, though the whole film appears black and white at this stage. The only place where color stands out is towards the end of the video.

The apparrent "eyeshine" does look strangely like eyes being reflected, though there can be other reasons. Possums eyes stand out like a sore thumb in these conditions, also things like moths can give a strong reflection, possibly even certain silvery textured gum leaves.

In this instance, to myself, it definitely resembles eyes being reflected. In fact they are moving from left to right and even appear to look around to the left and back as they go. It gives the appearance of something trying to avoid the light beam by crouching below it and moving from left to right out of the way. It's difficult to estimate the height, but my best guess is they are below 1 metre off the ground (crouching?). If you have any way of slowing the video, look at the section between 21.20-21.70 seconds. I would be interested in others opinion if they could look, I might be way off as once again I am an amateur. Very interesting.

I have cut some stills from the video to illustrate what I mean, though I am not sure how to get them to appear here. The quality seems to get degraded even further, but still illustrates quite well. The image linking policy seems to indicate not to link anything without rights. Any advice?Perhaps I should go to his you-tube site and ask.

A few stills from the video sequence. The "anomoly" is below and left of the light. In the video at slow speed it looks much clearer. In the first one looking ahead, then to either side before moving out of the way. ???







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This is absolutely amazing the clarity that you have been able to achieve. Is there any way that you can post audio results that you have obtained as well?

This just gets more and more amazing as it unravells.

Stars galore for you my friend!!

reply to post by heffo7


I have made a clean mp3 audio from the video and also I have made an mp3 with narration cut out and particularly the larger background footsteps and sound of projectile hitting the ground etc amplified. They actually stand out like testicles on a dog. Not sure just yet how to get them uploaded/linked in a post.

Something else I found quite interesting, in the mean time. A you-tube user "73roadrunner1" has submitted a video analysis/reply to the original. He found the part at 24 sec very interesting. Using some image manipulation program he concluded there were two possibly three large figures in the background. He found that there was also a tiny figure right at the front! He seemed reasonably certain of this. It was so close to the light that he couldn't understand why it wasn't visible/illuminated in the video.

This would seem to be consistent with the images above. In fact those stills were taken about 2-2.5 seconds before the still he was using. Fascinating.

I don't know if he is legit as he used a video camera looking at his screen to capture this and upload to you tube, which didn't seem to show it very well. I have asked him what program he was using, though don't know if I will get a reply. I found nothing like this on my imaging program- GIMP (long live freeware).


[edit on 7-5-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]

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Edit to add the original video:




This 73roadrunner1 guy really believes that Tony's captured something on his video. Thanks Cogito, Ergo Sum for bringing this to our attention!

Here are the youtube vids:



And further analysis:



In this one, I could have done without the personal info, but anyway good analysis. I loved the part where he says he can see the cloaking. But it bothers me that he never refers to the tape having been used before, and any remnants of that use remaining.... hmmm.

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[edit on 7-5-2010 by heffo7]

Originally posted by Kandinsky

Originally posted by nevermindme
reply to post by heffo7

 

Yea.

Could likely be abbos.
They stink, bad, like a primate. They have the same vocabulary as most primative primates. They can through stones. They live all over Australia.

But, they also attack, 100% of the time, if they outnumber their prey. ONLY if they outnumber their prey.

But hey, could also be Bigfoot, a?

So much prejudice and BS in so few words.

Basically its the truth, And possibly funniest thing ive heard all day

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hmmm.... InnerstellaOne

Do you mind if I ask if you've ever seen anything unusual?

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InterstellarOne.


I'm not sure how those comments are relevant to the thread in any meaningful way. The sentiment you seem to be endorsing also doesn't appear consistent with one who is, by their own humble admission (in another thread), a loving, forgiving Christian. Unless I have completely misunderstood it. Yowies...aboriginals....no, it's the religious zealots that I am far more wary of.


[edit on 8-5-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]

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Heffo, regarding the analysis. He may have picked up the overlay from previous files, but thought them unimportant? If you watch carefully at around 22 secs when you hear the blip you can see it. There are others as well. I guess they should be taken in to account. Particularly as the time line seems relevant. The stills I posted and the “73roadrunner1” pic do have an overlay in the couple of seconds or so in between. It is possible some of the effects are from mixed data? Though my personal feeling is that there is definite eye shine from something and I doubt the effects roadrunner produced are affected either, as nothing like this shows up in these sections of video. Though I can't be sure.

Stills from around 24 sec. And a bit later are quite interesting. What looks to me as possibly two background silhouettes can be seen. One in the middle and one to the left. Applying various effects is also interesting in some ways, I found. Though there isn't enough clarity to be sure of anything. The middle one actually appears to move, if I am not mistaken, though I will study it a bit more to make sure. The larger one he points to on the right looks clearly to be the silhouette of undulating land in the background IMO.

The link is to an mp3 of the audio minus the narration and with the deeper background noises accentuated. It's best to use headphones, or at least ipod type earplugs. It will be a lot clearer and you will hear a lot more. The loud sound at around 55 sec. is whatever they threw at him, hitting the ground. Obviously more than one of them, whatever they were.

media.abovetopsecret.com...

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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! Wonderful work.

If I could give you more stars I would.

A few links from the same area, one on the same road as the "rickrocket2010" encounter, to keep the thread going. Hope they haven't already been posted. Seems after sunset and alone gives the best chance of an "encounter". Still studying the video, wish I could get a better quality one somehow.

www.bigfootforums.com...

www.yowiehunters.com...

www.yowiehunters.com...

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
A few links from the same area, one on the same road as the "rickrocket2010" encounter, to keep the thread going. Hope they haven't already been posted. Seems after sunset and alone gives the best chance of an "encounter". Still studying the video, wish I could get a better quality one somehow.

www.bigfootforums.com...

www.yowiehunters.com...

www.yowiehunters.com...

Thanks for posting this. I loved the bigfootforums encounter, hadn't seen that one before!

Have you tried contacting Tony and asking him if you can get a clean copy of his video? Might be worth a try...

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Have asked Tony if I could get a copy of the original wmv via a file sharing site. I tried enhancing the you-tube vid but the quality is poor. Some of the "anomolies" might turn out to be nothing with a better look.

www.youtube.com...

Found this vid on the Yowie, interviews with Bill O'Chee, Loofs-Wissowa. Interesting. I find it extremely doubtful all these people could have imagined the encounter, or that O'Chee (and others) would be making it up. Intruiging.

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
reply to post by heffo7

 

Have asked Tony if I could get a copy of the original wmv via a file sharing site. I tried enhancing the you-tube vid but the quality is poor. Some of the "anomolies" might turn out to be nothing with a better look.

www.youtube.com...

Found this vid on the Yowie, interviews with Bill O'Chee, Loofs-Wissowa. Interesting. I find it extremely doubtful all these people could have imagined the encounter, or that O'Chee (and others) would be making it up. Intruiging.

Your youtube find was very interesting!!

Part 1 was 4 minutes well spent too...

Looks like Tony is not keen on the idea. No problem, his video after all. At least he did give permission to use the video he put up so I thank him for that. I will post soon what is the best I could come up with, with the low quality file. I made a lot of copies enhanced in different ways. Then I made literally hundreds of stills and narrowed them down to a few dozen or so that I thought might have showed something and spent a lot of time manipulating them, listening to the audio at that point etc.

I have a definite opinion, though I would take anything I have found or say with a grain of salt if you like. There is nothing for me that was really conclusive from the video and I realize that due to the poor quality the images could have many other explanations. Except perhaps for the eye shine, I feel there could be what appears a small wombat to explain that. In my experience little wombats are never far from much bigger ones, could explain some of the noises also (though certainly not all). I found nothing in the end that appeared to be little aliens like roadrunner73 though I'm sure if I looked long enough I might have found Elvis

There are two background silhouettes that appear puzzling. They don't appear to be part of the natural surrounds. Trying to get detail was difficult to impossible, though after continually manipulating and studying images, if I had to make a best guess I would say other person/s for at least one of them. Which doesn't mean it is, it could be yowies or any number of things.

There are many problems I see with this whole scenario, though I will try and just stick to the video rather than make assumptions. Enough to say in the end I can't help being a little skeptical.

The biggest problem I see in this field is usually the researchers lack of method (though not all). I have now concluded that this video, at least in the quality available, is of no great use as to whether yowies exist or not. Though I could be hard to convince as I have never seen anything this way to convince me that yowies/bigfoot/yetti etc exists. I tend to find the accounts of ordinary people who claim to have had a chance encounter as far more believable in most instances than the researchers or so called experts.

I will post some relevant photos soon as I can.



[edit on 22-5-2010 by Cogito, Ergo Sum]

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Looks like Tony is not keen on the idea. No problem, his video after all. At least he did give permission to use the video he put up so I thank him for that. I will post soon what is the best I could come up with, with the low quality file. I made a lot of copies enhanced in different ways. Then I made literally hundreds of stills and narrowed them down to a few dozen or so that I thought might have showed something ...


I will post some relevant photos soon as I can.



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Thank you for your continued and expansive efforts in this endeavour. I look forward to your future photo postings, and any other evidence (or theories) you might contribute.

Ok, sorry I took so long, been a bit busy. I will post the basics of what I have found and the “logic” behind any conclusions. Please don't expect too much, I am just an amateur. The software I used was quite basic. For the audio study I used “Audacity”. For image manipulation I used “Irfan View” and the “GIMP”. For video enhancing I used “vReveal”. All readily available on the net for free.

I have spent a lot of time on this because the subject fascinates me and I have a genuine interest in it. Though to have a dark poor quality video with background noises and simply accept that it was an account with Yowies and leave it at that is not genuine research IMHO. To me this should be the beginning of the research, it needs scrutiny.

I will put a series of posts with some photos and some explanation/info. Otherwise the post would be too long. There is a bit more I have found regarding the audio after a little “experimentation” also. Again I am completely open that I could be wrong, in some ways I wish/hope that I am wrong.

One aspect that had me puzzled was roadrunner73's “cloaking” effect. I find this has a simple explanation. With enough tuning I found not only the supposed “cloaking” ring, I found I could actually bring up a series of concentric rings. Not only that, I could make them larger or smaller etc. I found that when light hits an object this way, the area immediately surrounding and behind is then in a type of shadow. This is possibly exacerbated by the camera finding a happy medium as regards contrast.

It seems no coincidence that this effect occurs around the edge of this shadow. In fact this happens just about anywhere the light is held on an object. So either there are aliens cloaking themselves everywhere through this video or it is simply what I think it is. I will post some images and hopefully they will explain. I hope this effect shows in first photos, it is faint, if not it might become obvious in the contrast enhanced ones.

The "roadrunner73" pic first.

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Some images from a completely different section of the video to further illustrate this effect......

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I also used a type of "continuity" test for any artifacts (small alien images etc.) to try to keep within the realms of plausibility (ie. the images had to show some consistency through various frames). In this way I discounted any seeming images behind the light as being anything other than interesting optical effects. The part in the middle of roadrunner73's photo where he sees a large figure is very obviously the land contour in the background.

The two "silhouettes" on the left hand side are far more interesting and I will post what I have found with some images next post. As well as the little creature that I feel is responsible for the "eyeshine" images that I posted before.

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Here's some pics all from around 20-30 seconds in the video.....

This one doesn't appear to show much.

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I have highlighted some areas.

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After studying endless stills and various enhanced videos (at different speeds) I feel the object highlighted towards the top to be a person (one of two in the background). With enough study/manipulation I feel it has facial features and clothing (some sort of overcoat). This is consistent with many other stills I have taken.Though I am open to the fact they could be optical effectes/bushes or Yowies. At this stage I don't think so. The object towards the bottom looks very much like a small wombat poking his head out through the leaves.

Close ups.

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For me this explains the "eyeshine" just previous to this section.

I was very interested in the silhoutte towards the right originally as it appears to move (though it is quite obscured in this picture). I was unable to bring any detail though, as it seems further in the background. I was able to determine ( to my satisfaction at least) that they are where they appear to be. There is foliage in front and there is also foliage/trees behind. Neither are a sillhouette of the landscape in the background.


Some overlay that occurs throughout the video.

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There is no way to be sure of anything with such poor quality. Though I haven't just looked at things like this and formed an opinion. I have studied endless frames in every way I can think of. I would like to put various enhanced videos up so that people could simply play them in media player and use various enhancements this way. So much more stands out. Though I doubt I would get permission, I only have the okay for stills. The pic below is to show the difference with the normal vid and some enhanced areas. This one is the most "yowie" like one I found, though eventually I detirmined this object to be the same as the one that stands out most in pics above, with what looks to be some kind of hat/peak cap on.

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Another view of the same picture.

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I might post a few more if you're interested, though there are some things in the audio I would like to point out also.