I helped Obama campaign staffer Divorah Adler create a fake birth certificate [HOAX]

Originally posted by Target Earth
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Speeches is all he has. He doesn't have Charisma, He is well spoken. Bill Clinton had Charisma. I live in Illinois, and I can't think of anything that Obama has done... except run for president.

I dont know what kind of senator he was in illinois...he was only a senator for like 10 minutes anyhow...fast track to success..

he has tons of charisma. the prompters accentuate good reading ability, but you might want to refer to the town hall debates against mccain that shows the mastery of words the guy has.

As far as anything he has done as potus...2009 was a wash, but 2010 is turning out to be the opposite...as demonstrated by all the bickering and flipping out the right is doing on a daily basis...they are freaked because he is going full steam with his agenda now verses trying to hold hands with the losing party. He finally woke up to realize who won and how the competition isn't keen on him being successful

As Rush said immediately after he won..."I hope he fails". well duh.

Something doesn`t make sense here. So the people who "pulled off" 911 couldn`t pull off a decent birth certificate? Something tells me this whole birther thing is a red herring of some sort... maybe he locked his records up to make you think something was up so that you`d waste precious time on false leads while meantime, the Master Plan is slowly being implemented all around us. And they`ve got us devided, just the way they like us. I think it`s pretty safe to assume that we all agree that freedom and honesty and kindness are all good things we should strive to promote. Maybe that could be a starting point. I guarantee you, I could stick a bunch of birthers in with some believers and you would all look the same, have the same fears, same hopes and dreams... We need to stop worrying about Obama for just a moment folks. We need to start thinking about ourselves, our communities, and the relationship we all have with our respective communities. Stop being so afraid of eachother, we ARENT all that different. If you can`t do that, you will never be able to co-ordinate your efforts and your efforts will be wasted and will not make much of an impact. And they will win....even more than they already are! Ok so we all know how to get on eachothers nerves, that much has been proven. The challenge is: can you work together toward a common goal? Not unless you can first set aside these differences and come to the realization that you are all equal. EVERY snotty little name you ever called somebody? Applies to you as well. And me. And everyone else! Nobody is better! Get that crap outta your head! If you really feel that someone is mistaken, I doubt you will convince them so by ridiculing them. Maybe some of you don`t care if someone learns anything because you are perfectly happy calling them an idiot and go on your merry way. I can only hope that these people will mature soon and become a productive member rather than a destructive one. A book which helped me mature from that stage was "how to argue and win every time" by native american lawyer, gerry spence. I got it cause I was one of those people who absolutely LOVED being right, yes, I could debate any point from any angle. But this book made me a better person. Not better than any of you, but better than I was.

There is a propaganda campaign going on right now on ATS.
Several members, who admittedly "hate Obama" are posting known "birther " hoaxes in what I believe is a deliberate attempt to propagandize and mislead ATS readers. Everytime they are exposed as frauds, they claim they didn't know their "source" was a hoax. That way they spread their disinfo, garner a lot of flags and stars, then bail on their own thread.
Convienient huh?

Something doesn`t make sense here. So the people who "pulled off" 911 couldn`t pull off a decent birth certificate? Something tells me this whole birther thing is a red herring of some sort... maybe he locked his records up to make you think something was up so that you`d waste precious time on false leads while meantime, the Master Plan is slowly being implemented all around us. And they`ve got us devided, just the way they like us. I think it`s pretty safe to assume that we all agree that freedom and honesty and kindness are all good things we should strive to promote. Maybe that could be a starting point. I guarantee you, I could stick a bunch of birthers in with some believers and you would all look the same, have the same fears, same hopes and dreams... We need to stop worrying about Obama for just a moment folks. We need to start thinking about ourselves, our communities, and the relationship we all have with our respective communities. Stop being so afraid of eachother, we ARENT all that different. If you can`t do that, you will never be able to co-ordinate your efforts and your efforts will be wasted and will not make much of an impact. And they will win....even more than they already are! Ok so we all know how to get on eachothers nerves, that much has been proven. The challenge is: can you work together toward a common goal? Not unless you can first set aside these differences and come to the realization that you are all equal. EVERY snotty little name you ever called somebody? Applies to you as well. And me. And everyone else! Nobody is better! Get that crap outta your head! If you really feel that someone is mistaken, I doubt you will convince them so by ridiculing them. Maybe some of you don`t care if someone learns anything because you are perfectly happy calling them an idiot and go on your merry way. I can only hope that these people will mature soon and become a productive member rather than a destructive one. A book which helped me mature from that stage was "how to argue and win every time" by native american lawyer, gerry spence. I got it cause I was one of those people who absolutely LOVED being right, yes, I could debate any point from any angle. But this book made me a better person. Not better than any of you, but better than I was.

reply to post by SaturnFX

I think the problem with all of us, is once you get turned on to this conspiracy stuff, there is no going back. It's a lot more fun to think our government is up to something truly diabolical. I think some of us live in a fantasy world, where Obama is either the Anti-Christ or The anointed one. The Truth may be, He might just be a lackluster president.
but we are in for some strange days ahead.

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by jibeho

 

Gee, apologizing already?
I would too if I were an obsessed birther!
Yeah, I'm sure this story will pan out for ya!

I am not a birther. I just want to get some facts on his background from a source other than is contrived memoirs.. I have said it many times over that I don't doubt his citizenship. I think the cover lies more in who is father really is and in the risque behavior of his reportedly rebellious mother prior to his birth.

Obama could simply be a bastard without a known father. Who knows?
He clearly doesn't even resemble Barack Sr. Barack Sr. was just a tool used to legitimize Junior's birth.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by jibeho]

Somewhere on ATS there is a link to an investigation done and found that Malcolm X is MORE LIKELY to be his father as Stanley Ann Dunham and Malcolm X were known to have gotten together in San Fran, back in 60' when Malcolm was doing the speech tour. Not sure what the link is anymore but was an interesting read with photo's and remarks by archeological anthropolgists who state that it IS MORE LIKELY that Malcolm X is the father rather than Obama Sr., due to height and facial structure and cranial structure, including facial features and the like?

Who knows for sure, wait and see.

To be honest, it is really really easy to get a fake birth certificate/ a new social security number. For me at least, it is extremely easy. Just need to know the right people. Those right people can be anywhere.

I suppose it is entirely possible to Mr. Obama to do so. But most likely not. There needs to be more hard evidence to prove such a thing.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by fordrew]

reply to post by daddio


A young Mr. X
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9a586a1890b6.jpg[/atsimg]
A young Mr. Obama
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9638799d2d55.jpg[/atsimg]

Uncanny resemblance when compared to
Barack Sr.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f49b08ab40a5.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by jibeho


you know the one lie I heard from his own lips. that he had a relative that rescued POW's and Jews at the end of WWII from a Prison camp that russia took... how insulting to our veterans... *Snip*

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[edit on 4/12/2010 by semperfortis]

Originally posted by OldDragger
There is a propaganda campaign going on right now on ATS.
Several members, who admittedly "hate Obama" are posting known "birther " hoaxes in what I believe is a deliberate attempt to propagandize and mislead ATS readers. Everytime they are exposed as frauds, they claim they didn't know their "source" was a hoax. That way they spread their disinfo, garner a lot of flags and stars, then bail on their own thread.
Convienient huh?

If I am not mistaken almost everything on this web site is propaganda. What isn't propaganda? How much Pro-Obama Propaganda is there? just as much. So you only agree with the propaganda you agree with I take it. In case you realized it or not there are a lot of people, who don't like Obama, and Because they don't like the direction the country is heading they are propagandist? The left really like using that word,and accusing others of applying that word, but they are the masters of it.

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Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by jibeho
If this woman's story is true, all I can say is that it is no surprise.

More plausible however is that she is just a shill put in place to further discredit the dissenters who don't believe anything about Obama's past.

Every birther that is exposed as a liar or nut-job...is actually a plant by the sinister Obama conspiracists! but until then they telling the god given truth!!

Even birthers have to be somewhat embarresed by the tortured, fallacious logic they cling to.

Nice insinuation.

This is a conspiracy site Right?? People believe what they want to believe just look at the plethora of whacky 9/11 threads on ATS. Are those threads more plausible than those that question elements of Obama's past?
[edit on 12-4-2010 by jibeho]

Tired retort of birthers...

"This is a conspiracy forum..right?"

Yes. Which means it is about discovering the truth...not blindly championing lies and dishonesty to appease your own chosen world-view.

You can tell the difference, can't you?

ATS is a conspiracy site in the sense that it is supposed to be a forum for distilling the truth based on evidence...Not manufacturing a truth based on lies.

Any conspiracy claims are meant to arrive at ATS with the intent of scrutiny to discover it's strength. THAT is what is supposed to make ATS special...otherwise go post on some site that doesn't care..plenty of them.

Ever hear of "Deny Ignorance"?

The birther movement? A propagandist campaign often orchestrated by the fringe right and it's media outlets, designed to resonate with those who distrust government...as well as to offer those with unpopular racial pre-conceptions a psuedo-acceptable outlet for thier frustration...and those in a political minority a way to express thier frustration at not being in "power"...

Being a birther in face of the evidence requires a suspension of rational thought and reasoning. It borders on claiming the earth is flat. Why do people embrace this view anyways?...see above...It's an outlet for frustration, not a conspiracy...

The bizzare and hypocritical nature of the evidence the birthers champion in contrast to the mountain of evidence that birthers pretend to be blind to make the movement a unabashed celebration of ignorance.

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
reply to post by OldDragger

 

I for one have been labeled as a birther spreading hoaxes... I would like to say - I am pointing to information - the validity of that information - I am in no postition to asertain if correct. but I will distribute information on the one out of a trillion posts - one has got to contain some truth in it.

Thing is, if you are just shoving a trillion unfounded sources up without taking a moment to find out how much merit it has, then eventually people will reject anything you post...it is self defeating if your truely trying to relay a potential truth.

Not saying abandon your personal crusade...but filter it to where its not just pomp and circumstance..but rather real info that has at least a bit of merit to the source

This site gets crazier by the day.

The motto is deny ignorance?

Seems like it should be more like "display ignorance"!

It's crazy how there is a label for every belief out there: Birther, truther, liberal, conservative, socialist, pro-lifer, racist, patriot...ect....

People who love Obama discount everything bad that may be true...
People who don't like him assume everything that is said is true....

If someone else's belief is different than yours then it's wrong by default.

I don't believe I am a racist because I grew up around a 90% black area and have no problem with anyone because of their color of skin. If their good to me I am good to them...period.
Black, white, latino, native american, asian.......whats it matter?

I didn't vote for Obama because his political ideals were way different than mine and we disagree on most issues. I believed he would take the country in the opposite direction of where I thought it should be going.

I don't believe he eats puppies, kicks pregnant women or worships Satan.

I DO believe he is hiding something in his past and is trying to cover up issues that would surely hurt his career should they get out.

First off, A "certificate of live birth" and a "Birth certificate" are two entirely different things. You can be born in Alaska, Hawaii, California, Japan, Africa or anywhere else and get a "certificate of live birth" in Hawaii. It DOES NOT mean your mother gave birth to you there.

After all the talk and conspiracy surrounding the issue I don't understand why the proper documentation can't be brought forth to end the issue.

Why were the records sealed?

Why were the collage records sealed?

Why all the mystery??

Why did the East African Sunday Standard print this in 2007......

In all seriousness, does it really matter?
Say they find him guilty and kick his butt to the curb.
Then what? We'll have a new president, another puppet.
It doesn't matter who's in office...

reply to post by SaturnFX


well, when I leave ATS over 42,000 republicans will also move to where I am. so, we all decided ATS is the place for US. about 6 months ago, a
number of posts forced us to open a second line of communications.
one that is so distributed ... good luck on cracking the conversation.
and as soon as ATS closes User number what 6 or 7 ... we will again
ask everyone what we should do. after all we live in a Republican Democracy.
So, that is how ATS did it. they convinced we Americans belong here for honest debate. and then Obama got elected and you pukes showed up.

No doubt snopes will soon come out and call it a hoax as they always do with everything that goes against Obama.
First they'll modify and tweak the report to add confusion then they'll finally label it a hoax.

Man this story never ends.
It just keeps coming back in more ways than one, most likely it is a hoax,...but what if it's not?

aaanddd..the trusters have arrived!

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
citizenwells.wordpress.com... ate-a-fake-birth-certificate-fact-check-colb/

Well, it appears someone is coming out of the wood work, to finally put a end to this Obama Conspiracy.. we have someone to charge and prosecute. go get them DA's... Notice: I will not hold my breath.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Anti-Evil]

It's only a matter of time....

American Grand Jury C.I.A. columbia Obama Sedition and Treason Trial

May 14-19, 2010
ATLAH World Missionary Church
38 West 123rd Street
New York City, NY 10027

The military officer who filed the complaint is Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick, III, retired, United States Navy and a graduate of the United States Naval Academy.

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January 18, 2010


On January 18, 2009 the American Grand Jury concluded its final day of deliberations and handed down presentments with regard to CRIMINAL activity, complaints and allegations presented before the Super Grand Jury III (hereinafter known as “Grand Jury”).

Such charges and presentments of criminal activity were handed down against the person(s) known as Barack Obama, aka: Barack Obama, Jr., aka: Barack Hussein Obama, aka: Barry Soetoro; aka: Barry Obama; aka: Barack Obama, presumed President of the United States (hereinafter known as “Obama”); Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the DNC; Democratic National Convention; et al.

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The Constitution of the United States, Amendment 1 and Amendment 5, known as portions of the Bill of Rights state as follows:

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Amendment 5: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury,

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The convened Grand Jury was “national” in nature, represented by people of the United States, said people being citizens as were sworn under Oath as to Eligibility for and Service in behalf of the Grand Jury:

Each Jury member was eligible as follows:


1) A citizen of the United States;
2) A citizen of eighteen (18) years or older;
3) A resident of a State chartered within the United States of America;
4) Was in possession of his/her natural faculties, of ordinary intelligence, of sound judgment and of fair character;
5) Possessed a sufficient knowledge of the English language;
6) Were not serving as a trial juror in any court;
7) Had not been convicted of a malfeasance in office, a felony, or other high crime;
8) Were not serving as an elected public officer.


Each Jury member did SWEAR or AFFIRM as follows:


“That I (jury member) shall diligently inquire, and true presentment make, of all such matters as may be given me before the jury, or shall come to my knowledge, touching such service. I shall present no person through prejudice or ill will, nor leave any un-presented through fear or favor, but in all my presentments shall endeavor to present the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth (affirmed) or so help me God (sworn).”


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Said Grand Jury hearing was conducted in secrecy. All evidence was sealed and protected. All presentments (charges) were voted upon. Said Grand Jury was comprised of 166 regular Grand Jury members, including 1 Jury Foremen.



Criminal complaints placed before the Grand Jury:




COUNT ONE:

That Obama is NOT eligible under the laws of the Constitution of the United States as provided for in Article II, Section 1.


Said Article II, Section 1 states:

“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Wherefore, Obama is not a “natural born” Citizen for the following reasons:

1) Obama was NOT born of mother and father who were BOTH US Citizens.

2) Obama was a British Citizen “at birth.”

3) Obama was born in Kenya.

4) Obama's mother did not meet US Immigration laws necessary to pass US Citizenship to Obama.



See Count One “EVIDENCE” Exhibits 1, 2, 3 and 4 attached hereto and made a part hereof.





COUNT TWO:

The charge of “Treason” against Obama is before the people of the United States of America. That such complaint is CRIMINAL, of high crimes, and extremely damaging against the people.


Said complaint was formally brought by a Military Officer (retired) of the United States Navy. All United States Military Officers are sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States and such complaint is valid, explicit and proper; when an Officer is aware of such malfeasance of Treason by an offender it is that Officer�s SWORN duty to come forward and present such accusation and complaint;

The Military Officer who filed the complaint is Lt. Commander Walter Fitzpatrick, III, retired, United States Navy and a graduate of the United States Naval Academy;



See Count Two “EVIDENCE” Exhibit 5 attached hereto and made a part hereof.





COUNT THREE:

The Democratic National Convention in conjunction with Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the DNC, has committed fraud against the electorate, the States and people of the United States. Pelosi, in conjunction with Barack Obama and others, conspired to withhold the truth about Obama�s eligibility when vetting and subsequently nominating Obama on the DNC ticket.



See Count Three “EVIDENCE” Exhibits 6 and 7 attached hereto and made a part hereof.


Wherefore, the Grand Jury conducted its session over a period of 5 days from Thursday, January 14, 2010 through Monday, January 18, 2010.

The American Grand Jury met in closed session comprising an attendance of 166 jury members, including 1 regular Jury Foremen (moderator). The Jury Foreman did not vote. The final vote included 165 jury members. The final voting count was tabulated and attested to on Monday, January 18, 2010.

Such hearing was conducted online in a private website for the express purpose of conducting the Grand Jury assembly and hearing. Such hearing was secure and unencumbered by outside intervention or public intrusion.

Each Jury member had full access to the evidence, written and visible (in the form of scanned and photographed documents embedded in said private website). Each Jury member was given 5 days (in advance) in private session (using the facilities of the private website) to study the evidence, present questions and form an opinion as to the validity and truthfulness of said evidence.

All Counts were voted upon by the 165 jury members.

All communications (email, chat messages, jury foreman messages, comments, and testimony) were conducted in written English. All communications were securely saved in a database server as permanent records.

The final votes were as follows: 165 members voted “YES” to hand down the Presentments against Obama. The voting was unanimous.

NOW THEREFORE:

The Grand Jury hereby prays the Court hear said Presentments and formally charge and prosecute Obama under:

Count One. Fraud against the people of the United States of America by reason of:


That Obama is NOT eligible under the laws of the Constitution of the United States as provided for in Article II, Section 1.


FURTHERMORE, the Grand Jury hereby prays the Court will formally charge and prosecute Obama under:

Count Two. Treason against the Constitution and People of the United States as follows:


That the charge of “Treason” against Obama is before the people of the United States of America. That such complaint is CRIMINAL, of high crimes, and extremely damaging against the people.


FURTHERMORE, the Grand Jury hereby prays the Court will formally charge and prosecute Obama, Pelosi and the Democratic National Convention under:

Count Three. Election fraud and conspiracy against the people of the United States of America as follows:


The Democratic National Convention in conjunction with Nancy Pelosi, Chair of the DNC, has committed fraud against the electorate, the States and people of the United States. Pelosi, in conjunction with Barack Obama and others, conspired to withhold the truth about Obama’s eligibility when vetting and subsequently nominating Obama on the DNC ticket.


Given on this day and year of January 18, 2010 by final vote of the Grand Jury Members.

Said presentments are hereby attested to and verified by the Jury Foremen on this day and year above mentioned:


___________________________________
Robert J. Campbell,
Jury Foreman and Moderator




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Originally posted by Anti-Evil
r honest debate. and then Obama got elected and you pukes showed up.

Seems I may have misspoke in saying you may one day have something solid to contribute.

Words like that demonstrate a inability to get past partisan blinders overall, which suggests the merit of the mind fueling the dishonest attempt at debate.

For a man crying that the term "birther" offends you, you have no problem using actual offensive words for mindsets that are opposed to your own