I helped Obama campaign staffer Divorah Adler create a fake birth certificate [HOAX]

Originally posted by craig732

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

I can't demand Obama's birth certificate any more than I can walk up to someone on the street and demand theirs.

This is not a good analogy.

Its fact. You have no standing whatsoever to demand anything further of the president, period. You had the chance on December 15th 2008 to make some objection, but other than that you have no standing.

Nor does the constitution require Obama to prove anything further. Its something you will have to just deal with.

The person on the street isn't applying for a job where one of the requirements is to be a natural born U.S. Citizen.

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth

hawaii.gov...

Short form birth certificate of Hawaii covers that for Obama. On a side note I have never for the life of me seen anybody use a long form birth certificate as a form of ID or proof of birth right. My own birth certificate is old, long and I'd never for the life of me carry that thing around and never have had any problems using my certification of live birth.

Originally posted by InvisibleAlbatross
reply to post by craig732

 

Now why would anyone think Obama might not be a citizen?

pssst....his not ______.

There we go, you add in the missing word!

can i get a non-birther mod to put my original post back?

[edit on 13-4-2010 by alien]

[edit on 13-4-2010 by The Parallelogram]

Amazing how so many were convinced this thread was the real deal. Birthers, please, it's time to grow up and accept it:Obama is your commander in chief.

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
reply to post by hdutton

 

well the 2000 and the 2004 elections have been certified frauds.
check out Hacking Democracy to see how they do it...

I must have missed this on the MSM. Could you enlighten me about the dates and out come of the trials and what sentences were imposed on those convicted for election fraud?

Anything short of this is still called accusations; you know kind of like this birth certificate thing.

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
I just sent the FBI the Link (Ill. FBI) and asked them to look into it.

[edit on 12-4-2010 by Anti-Evil]

Originally posted by Anti-Evil
reply to post by TheOneElectric

 

I have been on it since, it began in 1986. after all I was just as patriotic then as I am now. DO NOT MESS WITH USA, the price is way too high~!

Should someone on a watch list really be emailing the FBI with hoax documents?

There's patriotic and then there is plain stupidity.

No offence.

I love visiting thse threads to see which ATS members utterly lack critical thinking and are sucking the firehose of koolaide. Seems the same people are SO desperate to make something stick they'll believe anything. God bless their pointy little heads.

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by lee anoma
As with all the others, this dubious birth certificate claim touted from the Right as pure evidence of political deceit is going to stick to Obama tighter than Spider-man to the side of a concrete building.

Whether it sticks or not, one thing we can be certain of is this birth cert turd just won't flush.
With every new birther thread that comes out, the left are immediately quick to rebuke and ignore any evidence whatsoever that may prove he is not from this country.

Alxandro,

I know this has been already proven a hoax but please indulge me and tell me what evidence you saw in this baseless accusation?

Ignoring the fact that the track record of these claims are abysmal, there was never any evidence to refute. You have to understand the difference between "evidence" and simple "accusation". The latter should require proof before taken to the next stage and not held up as fact while still remaining hollow.

That is the point. Every claim and case put forth from the Birther crowd is built around pure supposition because they have no facts to rely on.

The whole story would sound bogus to anyone that took the time to look at it objectively for the reasons I mentioned here:

reply to post by lee anoma


At this point, I think the Birther crowd should stop jumping at shadows and start to critically think about the next certificate claim to bubble up from the depths of who knows where. If you REALLY want the truth, prove it and take the time to think these claims through before you rally behind something this absurd.

As I said earlier, either these baseless claims are coming from the delusional Right hoping one of these lies will stick, or the insidious Left out to make this crowd look like reactionary buffoons by feeding the beast, but STOP FALLING FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM WITH NO PROOF. It makes the whole movement look juvenile.

That or flush the turd you mentioned and step away from the toilet bowl.

Just my suggestion.

- Lee

[edit on 13-4-2010 by lee anoma]

reply to post by mwood

A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate

No kidding?

Except that one is representative of another.

Its like saying "A state ID is not a drivers license!"

Except, you can use either to purchase alcohol.
You can use either to meet the requirement for homeland security ID verification processes when seeking out new employment

If you have one form, it's just as good as the other, where verification is concerned.


No difference here.

You just refuse to acknowledge reality....the rest of us know why, why can't you figure it out too?

reply to post by GorehoundLarry


I accept it, but it does not mean that he is legal. It also does not mean that I respect the socialist.

BTW I am freaking sick and tired for being called a racist everytime I disagree with the man or his policies. THOSE THINGS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS RACE.


ALL OF YOU FREAKING IDIOTS THAT USE RACE TO GET YOUR WAY NEED TO JUST TAKE A LONG WALK OFF OF A SHORT CLIFF

reply to post by Snarf


NO IT IS LIKE SAYING A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD IS A PASSPORT.

Originally posted by mwood
He responded by sealing all his records, birth records & collage records.

This is simply not true. As I said, I have researched this extensively. What you're suggesting is not true. The executive order that Obama signed on his first day in office repealed a previous executive order that Bush had written, protecting former presidents from having to divulge records. See, Bush wrote an EO saying that after he left the White House, he wouldn't have to unseal his records. Obama's first EO repealed that, so they could look at Bush's records. That's it. That turned into, "Obama sealed his records"! It's BS. RESEARCH IT YOURSELF using unbiased sources. You'll see that what you are spreading is a lie.

A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate

ALL information on ANY certification of birth is taken directly from the original BC. Whatever is on ANY certification is on the original BC.

Birthplace: Honolulu, Hawaii. That's ALL you need to know. Your curiosity and suspicions are not part of the equation. They are YOUR problem, not Obama's.

Originally posted by zarp3333
Obamas mother was a US citizen. THAT MAKES HIM A CITIZEN NO MATTER IF HE WAS BORN IN TIMBUKTU. CASE CLOSED.

Yes, you're right. That makes him a citizen. But our law requires our president to be born in the US - to be a "Natural born" citizen.

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
Regardless if this thread turned out to be a hoax, it proved that there are MANY people who, to this day, are not satisfied with the whole Birth Certificate thing.

Yes, many people are not satisfied. And they should keep asking questions and looking for the truth. But just because a person isn't satisfied, that doesn't mean that someone else is obligated to satisfy them.

To me, this shows/proves that there is something to this "conspiracy"

That is not proof of anything but suspicious minds. Nothing wrong with being suspicious, but it doesn't prove a damn thing. Your criteria for what constitutes "proof" needs to be seriously reevaluated.

After all, all this man (obama) had to do was provide his documentation just like every american has to when they apply for a job.

And he did. Every American doesn't have to show their documentation to everyone who works at the company to get the job. They don't have to post it on the Internet and they don't have to talk about it, answer demands about it or satisfy people's suspicions about it. They have to satisfy the HR department and that's it. That's been done here.

You are all free to believe whatever suits your opinion.

As are you.

Originally posted by craig732
This is not a good analogy.

The person on the street isn't applying for a job where one of the requirements is to be a natural born U.S. Citizen.

And he has proven that to the satisfaction of the DNC Chairman, all of Congress, all of his opponents and the vast majority of American citizens. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to the contrary, except that which has been fabricated, such as the inspiration of this thread. There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER for him to jump through hoops to "satisfy" a fringe group of haters.

The reason most people hang on to this fantasy that Obama was born elsewhere is that they don't like his policies. They want him OUT. I don't think they even REALLY believe that he was born in Kenya or wherever. They are just desperately hanging onto this fantasy in hopes that SOMETHING will turn up that convinces the proper authorities to get him OUT! It's a pretty LAME position, actually. I mean, if you don't like his policies, argue his policies! Don't feebly hang onto some outrageous fantasy that was planted with the specific purpose of creating doubt.

Originally posted by russ212
NO IT IS LIKE SAYING A SOCIAL SECURITY CARD IS A PASSPORT.

No it isn't. ALL information on ANY certification of birth is taken directly from the original BC. Whatever is on ANY certification is on the original BC.

Birthplace: Honolulu, Hawaii. That's ALL you need to know.


[edit on 4/13/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
So do birthers ever get tired of being wrong???

I have been wrong in the past...but once I make a mistake and am wrong on one subject...I make damn sure I am very careful on that subject in the future.

But it doesn't seem like birthers have any sense that these hoaxes that they believe are actually hoaxes.

Good point. Are they so mentally deranged that they can not accept obvious truth and instead insist on maintaining their delusions? Or are the simply sociopathic and so full of hatred that they are willing to continue the intentional disinformation despite knowing it is wrong?

My experience with people close to me who continue to espouse this stuff is that they are so very upset that a person like Barack Hussein Obama (half African, some Muslim influence, from Chicago, liberal views) is their President, they simply will not allow themselves to accept the truth. They are, in essence, insane with hatred.

In my opinion the problem is that they have lived very insulated lives and have no conception of the real racial and political melting pot that is America. They have furthered their own narrow mindedness by self-selection - only listening to right wing radio, watching Fox News, reading reactionary blogs, etc. Now they have this twisted view of reality and are appalled by what they see going on. They are by nature resistant to change and they greatly fear what the future holds, and of course fear leads to anger.

obama is a puppet controlled by the real leaders

reply to post by russ212


YES IT IS. THE SHORT FORM IS NOT RECOGINZED BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS EVEN WHEN YOU OBTAIN A MARRIAGE LISCENE OR A PASSPORT. HOW THE **** IS IT ACCEPTED WHEN YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

SHOULD THE PEOPLE ACCEPT A DOCUMENT THAT IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE GOVERNMENT FOR SIMPLE THINGS. HECK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So this thread has been tagged a HOAX and all those who called for it are still chiming in on cue. Paid by the post or number of words?? So, who is really beating a dead horse?

Quite amusing really....

Originally posted by russ212
YES IT IS. THE SHORT FORM IS NOT RECOGINZED BY GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS EVEN WHEN YOU OBTAIN A MARRIAGE LISCENE OR A PASSPORT. HOW THE **** IS IT ACCEPTED WHEN YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT.

1. No need to scream.
2. How do you know that he didn't show his copy of a "long form" BC to the government officials?
3. Source for your claim, please? My husband doesn't have a long form certificate. We are married.

How to get a passport without a birth certificate

Further:

Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is given a title such as "Certification of Birth", "Certification of Live Birth", or "Certificate of Birth Registration." The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. Nearly all states in the U.S. issue short forms certifications, on both state and local levels.

Source

SHOULD THE PEOPLE ACCEPT A DOCUMENT THAT IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE GOVERNMENT FOR SIMPLE THINGS. HECK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are wrong in your basic premise. Your argument is a FAIL.

ps. You REALLY need to show some kind of source for the information you think is true.

[edit on 4/13/2010 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by jibeho
So this thread has been tagged a HOAX and all those who called for it are still chiming in on cue.

You'd love us to shut up now and let this die, huh?

Too bad. There's so much more ignorance and disinformation out there, that it's the perfect place to share the truth... Sorry if that bothers you.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


No it is not a fail.

I am not a birther, but I don't understand why information on the most powerful man in the country is not made public before they are allowed to enter a position. Now, I am not asking to see his social security number or anything, just basic qualifying information.

And yes, in order to do anything with the gov anymore the long form is needed.

I am bothered by the fact they released the short form, but not the long form, becase the long form contains information that is not available on the short version.

Obama, his supporters, and all the other socialist in this country are a fail. They need to accept the consititution or get the hell out of my country. If they won't do either of these things, maybe it is time for the people to make them get out.

Originally posted by russ212
No it is not a fail.

You showed NO sources to back up your claim and I showed sources to refute them. Yes, it's a fail.

I don't understand why information on the most powerful man in the country is not made public before they are allowed to enter a position.

1. Did you also complain (did it EVER enter your mind) when Bush didn't provide a long form Birth Certificate for the country to examine and approve? Or Clinton or Bush or Reagan or Carter? Did ANYONE? No.

You have every right to have your opinion on this, but you're going to have to work though the proper channels to get the law changed so that future presidents have to reveal all their private documents to the country before they become president. Good luck with that.

Now, I am not asking to see his social security number or anything, just basic qualifying information.

You have NO RIGHT to that information. And you have already seen the proof. You just don't believe it.

And yes, in order to do anything with the gov anymore the long form is needed.

PROVE IT.

I am bothered by the fact they released the short form, but not the long form, becase the long form contains information that is not available on the short version.

Like what? What do YOU need to know? What information, that is not on the short form, do YOU have a right to?

If they won't do either of these things, maybe it is time for the people to make them get out.

Is that a threat?