Turkey To Challenge Israel, Support Hamas

Israel to European diplomats: Stop your citizens from sailing to Gaza with aid

Israel warned a number of European states that it would not permit leftist-organizations planning to sail to the Gaza Strip with international aid to complete their mission.

The director of European affairs for the Foreign Ministry, Naor Gilon, met separately with envoys from Turkey, Greece, Ireland and Sweden to convey the message that any of their citizens intending to set sail for Gaza would be stopped before they could reach the coastal territory.

Describing such mission as provocative and in violation of Israeli law, Gilon told the diplomats: "Israel has not intention of allowing these sailboats in Gaza."

The Foreign Ministry message essentially entails that anybody who tries to sail to Gaza with aid, or who tries to transfer goods into the Hamas-ruled territory, must do so in accordance with procedure.

The diplomats promised to pass the message along to the appropriate sources, said the Foreign Ministry, with some even offering to help prevent their citizens from attempting the mission.

Earlier Monday, Israeli security forces released a Turkish national arrested this month for allegedly belonging to an outlawed Islamic group, and were set to deport him later in the day.

www.haaretz.com...

Originally posted by JanusFIN
We have to remember that military coup in Turkey has been very close and likely now more than a year, when first arresting of officers starts in the country - and prime minister and chief of staff relations was so tense a while, that they could not speak to each others.

There will not be a coup in Turkey. You may be referring to the recent spate of arrests of 40 odd military personnel implicated in planning a coup in 2003.

Turkey has reformed many institutions, including separation of the military from the State – mainly driven by the need to be accepted by the EU. While a military coup would never be ruled out it is unlikely. Note that the military is staunchly non-religious it would be less likely to support a religiously motivated war. The military was the custodian of a secular Turkish state.

The reality is that Turkey and Israel were once very close, but the current Turkish President has been highly critical of Israeli policy in Gaza. Some would argue that this criticism is an attempt to gain influence in the Middle East (after all, Turkey is a significant player) and wrest influence and initiative from the “other side”, such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. By having a more proactive and outwardly independent foreign policy they are firmly stating their intentions.

Should Israel worry? Yes and no. Israel must be concerned that Turkey will assert themselves and this is problematic for Israel, who have demonstrated crass arrogance towards Turkey in the recent past (and that has been reciprocated by Turkey). I expect Turkey also has an eye on Europe and the US, as it would not want to offend them. That said, I think Turkey probably has tacit approval to take a lead in this way and may in fact become overtly supported in the months to come. It is no coincidence that Turkey wants to be more closely integrated into Europe and this may demonstrate their usefulness.

As for all those who want a war, you will be disappointed. Turkey and Israel may have diplomatic differences and be sitting on a rapidly changing political landscape, but both know that the risks of a military confrontation – however small – would be highly dangerous. The military of both sides is highly capable and professional and Israel would not want to cross swords with a NATO member like Turkey.

This will be a big political event and I doubt the military will be around much. It will be interesting to what happens after everyone has gone home and when Israel and Turkey sit down together to discuss how to move forward.

Regards

SHOWDOWN IS SOON TO START!!!

Israel's Intimidation Tactics Won't Stop Us: First Ship Sets Sail for Gaza!

Matthias Chang drapes the Malaysian flag over the side of MV Rachel Corrie as the cargo vessel set sail from Ireland on its way to the Mediterranean Sea. Also present (next to Matthias, in green windbreaker) is former UN Assistant Secretary-General Denis J. Halliday, who is also part of the International Advisory Panel of Perdana Global Peace Organisation, and a signatory of the Kuala Lumpur Initiative to Criminalise War. London – At 22:45 local time tonight, the MV Rachel Corrie, a 1200-ton cargo ship, part of the eight-vessel Freedom Flotilla, set sail from Ireland on its way to the Mediterranean Sea. There, ships from Turkey and Greece will join her, then sail to Gaza.

www.globalresearch.ca...

Israel is not going to risk killing anyone from Europe .

Period .

Now the Hellas friends have been visited and agreements have been signed , well , Turks going to wait and see if Hellas stick to the agreements .

Moscow came to visit Ankara and brought luggage full of cooperation and commerce too .

I think USA might condemn Turkey strongly in the UN but that would be the extend of the reaction to Turks engaging Israel .

Hebrews have never fought Turks before , why now ?


Turkish Gambit , anyone ?

Originally posted by 23432


Israel is not going to risk killing anyone from Europe .

Period .

Now the Hellas friends have been visited and agreements have been signed , well , Turks going to wait and see if Hellas stick to the agreements .

Moscow came to visit Ankara and brought luggage full of cooperation and commerce too .

I think USA might condemn Turkey strongly in the UN but that would be the extend of the reaction to Turks engaging Israel .

Hebrews have never fought Turks before , why now ?


Turkish Gambit , anyone ?

No offence, but what planet do you live on? Are you in touch with reality, because it doesn't seem like it.

Agreements? What agreements? You mean Erdogans neo-ottoman proposal for arms reductions and for Greek fighter jets to fly unarmed in the areas that Turkey and Turkey alone disputes while Turkish jets fly armed?

Guess what, within hours of Erdogan leaving Athens, the Greek Minister of Defence signed new contracts for new munitions for the Leopard tank fleet.

Guess what else, the frigate program nor the next generation fighter program will not be canceled, they will still go ahead.

And do you know why? Because Turkey is not going to cancel any of it's programs despite what it's leaders blabber about in front of the cameras.


DURING Erdogans visit, Turkish F16's violated Greek national air space several times and were intercepted. How can he come to Greece talking about peace and friendship, while his military continues to act like cowboys?

And this is no longer news only in Greece, it's reached the BBC.
So while Turkey talks, it doesn't walk the talk.
The whole world is starting to wake up to this fact that we have lived with for decades.


Greece and most of Europe hasn't trusted Turkey ever, and slowly but surely, the Israelis and Americans are realising they should never have trusted Turkey either. It's only a matter of time before Turkey is cast aside from western circles. Because let's face it, Turkey is far from being a western country, it is teetering on becoming the next Iran.

Every Turk I've spoken to, admits that Erdogan and the AKP party are using the EU accession talks, as a means to further their Islamist agenda.
If you doubt it, then take a look at who Erdogan and Gul are getting intimate with these days. Iran, Syria, Hamas....while simultaneously & systematically destroying it's special relationship with Israel.

Might interest you, but in about a week Greece and Israel will hold air force exercises across Greece, including in the North Aegean in the areas Turkey disputes.

Oh and if you think that the USA will sit back while Turkey attacks Israel, you are more out of touch with the real world then your post indicates.
Never mind the USA getting involved, Turkey is surrounded by countries it doesn't get along with.

Turkeys goes to war with Israel...guess what happens next?
The Israelis activate the PKK and Kurdish pershmarga they've been training and arming "unofficially", and a civil guerilla war erupts the likes of which Turkey has never seen before.
Then guess what? Israel will call on Greece to back it up, and Greece will.
Hell, the only ones who wont get involved will be Armenia because Russia will hold them back.
But you will be fighting a war on three fronts, against two modern and capable militaries, as well as a third front against a pissed off and well armed & trained militia force that will be able to find refuge in any corner of Turkey, because the Kurds have spread all over Turkey and in great numbers in many major cities.

Do you think Turkey will be able to handle that?
Just the Israeli's alone will mop the floor with Turkey.

If I was the Turkish military establishment I'd be extremely worried about the growing relationship between Greece and Israel, particularly since Turkey has expansionist ideas in the region.
At the end of the day, if Turkey tries anything, it will be torn a part in a more violent way then Yugoslavia was.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that the world powers will back such action, because of Turkey's strategic location on the map. Everyone will want a piece, and everyone who wants a piece and can take it, will take it.

Turkey isn't the power it's made out to be. You only need to exploit it's internal divisions based on political, religious and ethnic lines, and you can achieve your goals. But doing that, while Turkey wages war, well, it's a recipe for disaster for the Turks.

Turkey barks a lot, but has no bite. When someone bites back, Turkey stops barking.
We saw this when the Greek navy was deployed in the 1980's with orders to sink every Turkish ship in Greek waters. No Turkish naval vessel entered Greek waters for years.
We saw the same every time a Turkish jet was shot down, the violations of airspace ceased for months.
After the 1996 Imia crisis, when the Greek armed forces were mobilized for war and the Greek people began preparing for all out war, once the situation was defused, violations etc ceased for months again.
When a Turkish jet collided into a Greek jet, and the Greek jet crashed and pilot died, the Turks even went out of their way to find and pull the pilot out of the water and return him to Greece, the violations also ceased for months afterwards.

You want to know why? Because when push comes to shove, it will be Turkey getting shoved.

They committed untold attrocities during the Ottoman empire.
In the 1950s they commited even more attrocities in Istanbul against the Greek population, driving the majority out.
In 1974 they invaded and pillaged/raped/murdered in northern Cyprus and they still occupy it today.
In Tenedos and Imbros, technically supposed to be handed back to Greece a long time ago, they have almost eradicated the Greek population.
They continue to persecute the Greek Orthodox Patriachate in Istanbul.
Back in the early 1900's, they committed a genocide against the Pontian Greeks on the Black Sea.
Same thing in Izmir(Symirna), they burnt the entire city down except the Turkish quarters.

The list goes on and on and on, and not just against Greeks, but Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians, Serbs, Bulgarians..you name it.

Mein Kampf is a best seller in Turkey. And has been for years.
Its being reprinted all the time.


The tide is turning against Turkey, thanks to the Turks them selves..
even the Jewish/Israeli lobby in the US which was pro-Turkish, is turning its back on the Turks now.

Originally posted by spy66
Turkey is also a NATO member. I wonder what NATO will do if Israel engage and fires upon this fleet. What would the US do.?

NATO is founded on the idea of mutual defence from outside attack. That's the whole point of NATO. That's why NATO forces responded after 911 and went into Afghanistan.

If NATO doesn't respond to an attack on Turkey by Israel, that would likely be the end of NATO.

- Please, dont sink our citizens...

Israel urged to ensure safety of Irish on aid ship to Gaza

IRELAND’S AMBASSADOR to Israel has urged the Israeli authorities to take every precaution to ensure the safety of Irish citizens travelling aboard aid boats heading for Gaza.

The plea from ambassador Briefne O’Reilly came during a meeting at the foreign ministry in Jerusalem on Monday where he was informed by the ministry’s director of European affairs, Naor Gilon, that Irish peace activists, together with other European participants in the “freedom flotilla”, will be turned back by Israeli naval patrols before they reach the shores of Gaza.

“We are closely monitoring the situation and urge restraint on all sides,” Mr O’Reilly said. “We need to avoid escalation or confrontation to ensure a peaceful outcome which will enable the safe delivery of these humanitarian supplies.”

www.irishtimes.com...

Originally posted by blah2200
reply to post by JanusFIN

 

It is about time that people notice that Palestinians are human too!! WE ARE ALL BEING PERSECUTED, LIVING LIKE ANIMALS!!! CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIM!!!!!!!! JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ARABS!!!!!!!!!!!! We are human too. We are not all terrorists. It is not fair that we should be treated like animals, when we are the most hospitable, most family oriented people on this planet!!!! We are not all war mongering scum! Put yourself in our shoes. We love our families, and want the best for ourselves. I dont want to see the majority of us living like bush people. We are not that! Given the chance we love university, we love knowing more! We love learning, to be the best we can be.

We are Not Animals! We are peaceful, but we love our dignity, because we love our lives, and our families.

Read about Collectivism and learn that our incentives in life are our families and our right to live and be peaceful among our fathers, mothers, and siblings!

What the hell! I suggest you to read ; "What Do You Care What Other People Think?" by Richard Feynman.

By the way, Free Palastine!. We will allways support them.

freepalestine.noblogs.org...


[edit on 19-5-2010 by lalande 21185]

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For god's sake stop derailing this thread...

I feel the need to jump in here before you start reigniting some Byzantine-era nostalgic fears about the "Turkish Hordes" coming to pillage and raid all of our precious, Christian, lily-white European states.

Greek fighter jets to fly unarmed in the areas that Turkey and Turkey alone disputes while Turkish jets fly armed?

You mean like in 2006 when Turkish jets (which were in International Airspace), were inexplicably intercepted by Greek fighters causing a mid-air collision?

Under the ICAO Charter of 1948, Greek FIR doesn't have the authority to oversee military flights, just civil.

How can he come to Greece talking about peace and friendship, while his military continues to act like cowboys?

How can the IAF continue to promise they won't violate Turkish airspace in cross border raids when they're fighters regularly penetrate foreign airspace in Syria, Bulgaria (next to the Turkish border) and Hungary, even flying all the way out to Gibraltar?
Israel Denies IAF over Bulgari were Spy Planes
IAF Searching for Space to Drill
Turkey says Two IAF Fuel Tanks found near Syria Border

It's only a matter of time before Turkey is cast aside from western circles. Because let's face it, Turkey is far from being a western country, it is teetering on becoming the next Iran.

Is someone projecting their own fears of their country being ostracized from the European Community after cracking down on its citizens with violent counter-protest operations the likes of which European hasn't seen since the Cold War?

Might interest you, but in about a week Greece and Israel will hold air force exercises across Greece, including in the North Aegean in the areas Turkey disputes.

Exactly my point.

You whine about Turkish penetration into Greek airspace and double-talk on the Aegean Dispute and then proclaim it's perfectly okay for Israel & Greece to collude to violate Turkish airspace?

Oh and if you think that the USA will sit back while Turkey attacks Israel, you are more out of touch with the real world then your post indicates.

-Turkey is already part of the European Union battlegroups under control of the European Council, and a part of the Italian-Romanian-Turkish Battlegroup.
-Turkey is one of America's largest military export partners and is on contract to be the first recipient of the JSF Fighter as well as numerous other weapons systems such the Chinook, Apache, MLRS, etc...
-Turkey is host to more than 5,000 US airmen and Incirlik is a major American staging point for operations in Iraq.

If you think the US is going to give up it's vested interests in one of it's key, strategically located, Middle Eastern allies that give it some shred of legitimacy in sympathizing with the Muslim world... you're also wrong.

Never mind the USA getting involved, Turkey is surrounded by countries it doesn't get along with.

And Israel is the Middle East's popular kid on the block.

How many Middle Eastern countries can't you travel to if you have an Israeli passport or have travelled to Israel in the past?
I lost count.

Ditto, Greece.
It's time to kick Greece out of the EU
Could Greece get kicked out of the EU?
Nicholas Sarkozy threatens to pull out of Euro over Greece Row

Just the Israeli's alone will mop the floor with Turkey.

Not being paranoid at all...

Turkey has no need or desire to invade Israel. Turkey shares no borders with Israel. They would have to cross Syria and possibly Lebanon to even get to Israel. That's too much of a hassle.

It would be easier for them to just support & fund Hezbollah, PLO, Hamas, who are already next door to Israel and have the motive and means to destabilize Jerusalem and bring the fight to the Israeli's doorstep.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that the world powers will back such action, because of Turkey's strategic location on the map. Everyone will want a piece, and everyone who wants a piece and can take it, will take it.

You have no friggin' clue do you?

Let's see, forcing NATO to pick between it's second largest standing force (Turkey) and Peace-Keeping contributor or a strategically worthless nation now deeply immersed in domestic crisis and the highest national debt in the world.

Have you been awake for the past 8 years?

Turkey barks a lot, but has no bite.

Oh yeah I forget Cyprus was reunited.

Please quit joking. Are you seriously entertaining the notion that Greece, a country who spends 4 billion dollars less on defence than Turkey, is going to provide a significant military challenge in some future theatre war?

They committed untold attrocities during the Ottoman empire.

You're subtle.

I could have never guessed you're rabid warmongering regarding Turkey is merely nothing more than centuries old ethnic hatreds and blood fueds.

Originally posted by BLV12
DURING Erdogans visit, Turkish F16's violated Greek national air space several times and were intercepted. How can he come to Greece talking about peace and friendship, while his military continues to act like cowboys?

But both Greece and Turkey have kept the safety catches ON over the last decades. This demonstrates that although they faff around with each other it is merely macho posturing. Neither nation actually wants conflict, but have to keep pressing the point (e.g. over the Imia/Kardak area) in order to assert their rights.

Originally posted by BLV12
Greece and most of Europe hasn't trusted Turkey ever, and slowly but surely, the Israelis and Americans are realising they should never have trusted Turkey either. It's only a matter of time before Turkey is cast aside from western circles. Because let's face it,

Behind your clearly anti-Turkish outlook, the actual reality is different. Turkey is still aiming to become part of the EU and over the last decade has made significant changes to their government, economic, judicial and their social and military structures to comply with EU entry requirements. There are issues, including nations like France who are reluctant to accept Turkey, but France does not constitute “most” of Europe. Current dates put Turkish plans into the early 2020’s for EU membership if certain prerequisites are fulfilled, such as resolving Cyprus.

Originally posted by BLV12
Turkey is far from being a western country, it is teetering on becoming the next Iran.

No it is not! Suggest you take a trip to Turkey and see for yourself.

Originally posted by BLV12
If you doubt it, then take a look at who Erdogan and Gul are getting intimate with these days. Iran, Syria, Hamas....while simultaneously & systematically destroying it's special relationship with Israel.

Actually it is not that simple. Arguably Israel has fallen into the trap of taking Turkey for granted and ignoring the sensitivities of Turkey over what the Turkish see as a less than desirable situation in Gaza. In fact, what Turkey are saying publically is what many nations also say, including the EU. FCO EU Statement

Originally posted by BLV12
Might interest you, but in about a week Greece and Israel will hold air force exercises across Greece, including in the North Aegean in the areas Turkey disputes.

Why would this be interesting - many nations exercise with Israel. Any implied thought of a military venture against Turkey is the fantasy of doom and gloom war mongers and those who get turned on by the thought of more dead people.

I know the rest of your post goes into how a military confrontation between Israel and Turkey will end in Turkey being stuffed , but you fail to realise that Israel and Turkey won’t have a military confrontation. I won’t go into to telling you why except to suggest you review the facts starting with the point that both nations are democracies and both have capable militaries.

Originally posted by BLV12
We saw the same every time a Turkish jet was shot down, the violations of airspace ceased for months.

Pray tell. When was the last time a Turkish jet was shot down by any nation?

Come on, can we just keep this thread sensible.

The flotilla to Gaza is a political act, just like the ones which have gone before, such as the recent Gaza Convoy. These efforts are politically motivated and raise the profile of the situation there – which they tend to do because they get reported.

Turkey is not about to attack Israel (and visa versa). Turkey and Israel have fallen out. Doubtlessly, Turkey and Israel will become friends again when Israel makes positive steps towards sorting out a situation which most people (me included) think is intolerable.

Regards

Not even going to bother replying to the fools above who think they are experts on matters they only just realised existed.

Instead I'll stick to the topic..funny how one guy says I shouldn't derail the thread with that post, yet spends an eternity replying to each part.

Turkey is shooting it self in the foot...practically committing geopolitical suicide.

So Turkey made a deal with Iran and Brazil over enrichment? LOL, someone forgot to tell the world powers, because they don't care. They've over looked Turkey and the deal, and agreed on new sanctions. And the US is basically threatening Turkey to back the sanctions, or there will be consequences.

I'm wondering how many "slaps in the face" will the USA tolerate from Turkey, before the inevitable. First there was the 2003 Iraq war, which Turkey refused to allow American troops to enter through Turkish territory, and tried to extort 40 billion from the Americans, then you have Turkey getting close to Hamas, Iran, and Syria. They even invited Hamas leaders to Turkey for talks. They oppose sanctions on Iran, and are increasing ties.
They have crapped all over their ties with Israel, publicly stepping out.
Hmm...
Although I do suppose the US did capture some Turkish "special forces" in northern Iraq and "bagged" them like they bag terrorists and insurgents when captured, and the photos were made public, humiliating the Turkish armed forces.
And Turkey did make a movie basically demonising America and Israel over the Iraq war...




Anyway, here are some articles.

U.S.: Turkey must back Iran nuclear sanctions
State Deptartment: Many would be disappointed if Turkey is an exception to a consensus on Iran.
By Reuters


The United States urged Turkey on Wednesday to support more sanctions against Iran over Tehran's nuclear program, saying Ankara could face consequences if it moves out of step with the international community.

Read more here www.haaretz.com...

US announces deal with Russia, China on new Iran sanctions

Despite a last-minute deal involving Iran, Turkey and Brazil for a diplomatic solution to the dispute over Tehran's controversial nuclear program, the United States late Tuesday announced an agreement with all permanent members of the U.N. Security Council for new sanctions on the Islamic republic.

"We have been working closely with our P5+1 partners [United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and Germany] for several weeks on the draft of a new sanctions resolution on Iran. And today, I am pleased to announce to this committee we have reached agreement on a strong draft with the cooperation of both Russia and China," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Read more at www.hurriyetdailynews.com...

reply to post by JanusFIN


This whole argument is simply dumb. Israel wants to stop terrorists, and so they over react. Turkey is concerned, and so they over react. The entire situation would be fixed if Turkey and Israel worked together in a joint venture to supply food and water there.

That's it, problem fixed.



Everyone in that area is retarded. Forgive my anger and otherwise crude language and emotions. But in the end, that's the truth.

reply to post by Gorman91


Supplying food and water is one thing, but becoming friendly with terrorist groups is another thing all together.

I don't see why Israel should trust Turkey anymore, and rightly so they no longer do.

If Turkey is cornered, it is it's own doing. Erdogan got some wind and decided Turkey was a big powerful country whose opinion on the world stage mattered, and more over thinks Turkey is a feared and respected country. Well, its none of the above.
It isn't feared because it can't handle terrorism within it's own borders.
It isn't respected because of the way it behaves, not to mention it still can't come to grips with it's violent past and the genocides committed by it's founding fathers.
It just isn't a power for it's opinion to matter on the world stage, and this is more then evident by the fact ALL the worlds major powers have ignored the deal Turkey made with Iran and Brazil, and gone ahead with more sanctions.

One way or another, Turkey's true nature is being shown. It has been given all the support it could ever need by the USA and Israel over many decades, and when it comes down to it, Turkey spits on them.
The Jewish Lobby in the USA has done untold damage to Turkey's foes, for Turkey's benefit. And this is how Turkey repays them.

Iraq may have been taken out of the axis of evil after the American invasion and occupation, but it looks like it's going to be replaced by Turkey in the coming years.

And if anyone thinks the Americans are happy with Turkey at the moment or consider them "friends" and "allies", think again. The fact that the media is reporting that Turkey better get in line or there will be consequences, pretty much says it all.
And when you consider the fact that several American congressman/senators view Turkey as a threat to American national interests, with quite a bit said about it by those people....well, Turkey is loosing friends and all by it's own hand.

Sorry if my comment seem harsh, but I have no respect for a country which slaughtered over 2 million people simply to create a "pure" country, who denies it's past to this day, which does not respect international law, which issues threats of war against nations which it is meant to be allied with, and generally does not respect the treaties that it signed and was bound by.


Oh and to the immature person who added me as a foe, was I supposed to be offended? I didn't take you seriously to begin with, now I know for certain you aren't worth wasting time on.

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Oh and another thing, Turkey has moved SAM systems around to prevent any Israeli incursions into it's airspace while on the way to bombing Syria(again) or Iran.

Really good ally this Turkey huh?

Turkey is claiming it wants to be a mediator in the region, yet it is kissing the feet of terrorists and hard liners, while p**sing off it's ally to the point it have virtually destroyed relations with it.

And the movement of the SAM's isn't just to prevent an Israeli strike, but also an American one.

Now whether it can is another question. Because those are old systems, namely Nike, Hercules, Hawk and Rapier systems which are outdated, and if the Israeli's can jam the more sophisticated Russian SAM's that Syria had, then the Turkish SAM's shouldn't be any problem.

The other thing is that Turkey is going nuclear, for energy needs. They are likely to sign or have signed a deal with Russia for a nuclear power plant.

Let's just recap the last 30 years of neighbouring countries that are hostile to Israel who start up nuclear programs.

Iraq 1980's, reactor bombed into oblivion.

Syria 2007, secret reactor bombed into oblivion.

Iran, on the verge of having their reactor and facilities bombed into oblivion.

Turkey, ?? seems to be heading down the same path as the above.

Reality people, the game is changing, the pawns on the chess board are being moved into position.

[edit on 20-5-2010 by BLV12]

reply to post by JanusFIN

To our notice. Events in Israel have been higly debated in Turkey.

Partially true. The reality is that it is debated all around the world. People kill themselves, in order to kill some Americans to bring this story to life. So that the West would listen, so that the West would care.. Instead those people got labeled as terrorists, and their cause turned in to a Joke, and Palestinians still suffering.

Thank god for Turkey ^^

Every one is waiting for the last people to wake up/. Westerners, they are still being brainwashed in to accepting every crap coming their way due to Israel.

This is truth
No one gives a fig about a Palestinian in a tent camp
No one ever has
We care about Jews in concentration camps
Every tv viewer always has
Love if you know it is real
Love will in the end take back from those who steal.

reply to post by BLV12




There are soooo many issues in your post .
It is actually funny .



I could adress all of your points one-by-one and try to show it you how you ' really ' come across .

I shan't be bothered .


Greek government has just lifted the visa requirements for Turks and Greek Prime Minister is on record last week , saying that the Greece will work with Turks so Turkey can become full member of Europe sooner .

I have been to Greece numerous times and also did have childhood Turkish Greeks as school friends .

I respet Yorgi too much .

So I won't be attempting to de-bunk you to Jupiter , extensively .


This thread is about Israel - Hamas - Turkey .

Israel is going to claim down and that will be better for the whole region .
Iranian regime will be changed from within .
Iranian people will change their own regime in good time .

Turks will have bought all the Aegean Islands back by 2030 .

I actually was thinking of buying me a house on Samos or Cos .



Did you know that your foreign ministeries spokeperson is of my own tribe ?

Israel prepares for protest flotilla

9 ships plan to break the Gaza Strip blockade next week.

The IDF is gearing up to stop a flotilla of aid ships that is directed at breaking the blockade on the Gaza Strip next week.

Two ships, one named for international activist Rachel Corrie who was killed in Gaza in 2003, sailed from Ireland to Cyprus where they will join another seven boats scheduled to set sail for Gaza next Thursday.

The ships will carry hundreds of international peace activists as well as some 10,000 tons of construction material, medical equipment and school supplies. While the Free Gaza movement claims that the flotilla is needed to provide Palestinians in Gaza with basic supplies, the IDF pointed out on Tuesday that it had, in the past week, allowed over 14,000 tons of supplies into the Gaza Strip.

On Monday night, Foreign Ministry officials met with ambassadors from Turkey, Greece, Ireland and Sweden and informed them that the ships would be stopped on their way to the Gaza Strip. Defense Minister Ehud Barak has instructed the Navy to prepare for the operation, which due to the large number of vessels will require the participation of a large naval force.

www.jpost.com...

the (my) anticipated palsy-walsy friendship between Turkey-Iran-Iraq is going on & will ultimately lead up to a confederation among the three states....
a formal 'Caliphate' is then just around the corner


recall the Pres. Bush worldview of his smaller 'Axis of Evil' (iraq-iran-N.K.)
well this will be above & beyond that scope, the greater Persia will soon emerge... which includes both actual community lands & a lot of socio-political-economic-militant treaties which creates this soon to be Caliphate with 3 rulers (aka ~horns)


thanks,

reply to post by St Udio


Well, whether that happens or not, is still up for discussion.
But what Turkey is headed for, what it aims and what it wants, is to be the ruler in the Middle East, or one of the rulers.

I already dropped the term...neo-ottoman.


What's happening is that the current Islamist party in charge in Turkey is using the EU accession talks as a way to further their Islamist agenda. The Ergenekon scandal is the Islamists cutting off the head of the secularist kemalists who would be likely to oppose them and remove them from power in another coup.
Turkey is not interested in joining the EU. The AKP party never had any intention.
If people doubt this, then look at were Turkey has set it's eyes on. The east.
It sees it self as a global power, or future global power.

I don't think for one second that Erdogan as fooled by Iran, rather I think Turkey it self is up to something.
Remember, the nuclear deal with Russia for nuclear plant.
It's also strongly believed that if Iran formally acquires a nuke, then that will "push" Turkey and Saudi Arabia into acquiring them too.
Now, Saudi Arabia is long known to "unofficially" have a nuclear delivery system courtesy of the Chinese in the form of missiles.
Turkey also has some ballistic missiles, courtesy of the Chinese again.
Now Turkey is talking about nuclear power plants.
It has then made a deal with Iran to acquire part of Iran's already enriched uranium.

Join the dots we already have, and it doesn't paint a pleasant picture of things to come.


If people still view Turkey as a muslim country friendly to the west & Israel, or worse yet a western country, better be ready for a shock in the coming years. Because the way things are headed is for Turkey to be cast aside by the West, out of NATO, EU door shut permanently, etc.

As I said, the game has changed and is changing before our eyes.

reply to post by BLV12

But what Turkey is headed for, what it aims and what it wants, is to be the ruler in the Middle East, or one of the rulers. I already dropped the term...neo-ottoman.

I think you are correct almost entirely about Turkey!

Forget about Egypt, the Saudi's, Iran, the seat of power in the ME is probably destined to be Turkey. The reasons are geographical, economic, historic, and cultural. Turkey will be the major Islamic power in the next decade.

Interesting to see Turkey assuming its new position!