The New Religion

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

What should the New World Religion that all shared be like, if you could write it?

I'd go with the truth, and reveal just how incredibly natural and replicable it all is and has always been. Then I'd illustrate how ancient men used metaphor and analogy to decribe what I've discovered, and how they did the best they could, given the primitive view they struggled with.

In fact, this is exactly what I've done, and I'll be self-publishing the entire reveal within a matter of months. It's been 2,000 years since someone looked under the hood and it's pretty remarkable when you see how the last tech translated the data, using the tools available at the time. Not a bad job, but this is a new era and we've learned a lot that's bringing things much more into focus. No more "through a glass, darkly". We're pretty much "face to face" now.

reply to post by NorEaster


Thanks for sharing that friend.

I do hope when you have your works all written out and put together, you will give the fine folks here at ATS ample opportunity to enjoy them.

The world could certainly use a critical update at this juncture.

Funny that we give more thought to our computers in that regard, than humanity.

I am late to this party. I have not read all of the comments, I have learned that it is impossible to do so given the fact that I have so many interests expressed so eloquently here on ATS.
But, I doubt that what I have to say has been covered, but I could be wrong to some extent. ANYWAY,

A new religion I would be in favor of would have to incorporate the following, albeit incomplete.

1. A newborn child is automatically a member, regardless of, well, anything.
2. Animals, too. Designer pets, though, will have to have a newborn child sponsor them.
3. All NON-"genetically modified" organisms will automatically have their ticket punched. No GMO crops in MY heaven.

So, now we have a "natural" heaven with only the pure. BUT, I WANT TO GET IN TOO!

4. Humans that see evidence of innocent people slaughtered and die inside even if they are supposed to be their enemy. Humans that see the skies and life itself contaminated by an unseen enemy, but feel they are alone in mourning the loss. Humans that yearn for a world where the weak are never to numerous for the strong to assist, and the strong never to corrupt for the weak to resist.
In other words, only "humans" allowed entry, subject to further qualifications. of course.

Let me add this,
I realize the thread is on religion and not heaven. But, what is religion without heaven?

Originally posted by Stewie
Let me add this,
I realize the thread is on religion and not heaven. But, what is religion without heaven?

All I can say is - - that opens a can of worms.

We do good because of a reward?

Not because good is reward in itself and personal evolvement?

reply to post by Annee

I believe we can do good without the expectation of a reward, but I am not sure that we would even have that concept if not for the desire of a few influential people to inspire others to rise above our "animal" state.
What would you call that?
Some call it religion, with heaven as the reward.
A religion could be defined as either a method to connect to the purity of God, the source...or as a control mechanism for the elite.
In a positive sense, it is a search for enlightenment. In a negative sense, a sign one is "controlled."
Either way, there has to be a reward for good behavior. Heaven on earth could be a religion I suppose.

Why does there have to be a reward?

Why not just a realization?

reply to post by Annee

If I understand you...
that "realization" would be a reward, would it not?
To realize you have done good requires a basis for what is meant by "good", of course.
That is why we must define our religion of choice.

I responded to this thread, not to teach.
On subjects such as this, I prefer to be the perpetual student.
So,
teach me, please.
I will not judge.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh - if only I wasn't granny nanny to a 2 year old - whose daddy crossed over from Leukemia.

I do my best to participate - but kind of in short hand.

I am sure there are others who can elaborate with more detail - - for a student with hand raised.

reply to post by Annee

To have a child die...there are no words.

Now, to the child left behind, there are a few.
I lost my father when I was five years old. There were three older than I, and one younger.
The reality for us was that we adapted to being different. WE lost our father, and almost no one else could relate. Sure, some friends had a parent desert them...WE consoled THEM.
At least, MY father DIED. SUPERMAN would never desert his child.

So, the lesson here, is this. Be careful not to make the deceased a superman...he never was, and he could only be in a child's mind. But, he could still be A GOOD person.

Originally posted by Stewie

So, the lesson here, is this. Be careful not to make the deceased a superman...he never was, and he could only be in a child's mind. But, he could still be A GOOD person.

We're gonna get off topic here - but thank you for your kind words.

Yes - I was the abandoned child. My mother with polio and 3 kids under 7. A father that was not up to the task - - finding a comforting shoulder elsewhere to cry on.

I understand your message - - and am fortunate that my "little guy" is too young to understand - - because my daughter has yet to let go - - but does know she has to.

I was raised in the Religious Science church - - my mom being one of the original members of Ernest Holmes first church in Los Angeles.

I am forever grateful to her (being raised Catholic) that she chose the path of metaphysics - - long before it was fashionable.

I have no guilt to recover from.

reply to post by Annee

I am touched.

I wish you well. Good night.

Sorry for any inconvenience. I have removed this post in order to start a new thread on the subject of civilization returning to the Genesis Plan.


[edit on 14-4-2010 by Alethea]

[edit on 15-4-2010 by Alethea]

reply to post by Alethea


Sometimes I do think we have a "ceiling" as to how much we are allowed to know - - before being chosen/separated into more suitable dimensions.

If civilization repeats itself by starting again at Genesis, could this now explain some of the cryptic messages from the myths?


Again, I wish to apologize for removing this post. It will be discussed on a new thread as it opens a new can of worms. Thank you.

[edit on 15-4-2010 by Alethea]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Thanks for sharing that friend.

I do hope when you have your works all written out and put together, you will give the fine folks here at ATS ample opportunity to enjoy them.

The world could certainly use a critical update at this juncture.

Funny that we give more thought to our computers in that regard, than humanity.

Hi

I do have plans to share this all with the folks here at ATS, and started coming here several months ago with that specifically in mind. I haven't got a financial agenda with this reveal, since how can you really make any money off letting people out of their cages. Since money's not the motivation, the best plan for the widest dispersion of the information is to launch it on the biggest and most highly trafficked boards on the web. This will be one of those boards.

I am preparing video clips to help explain the larger aspects, and am fine-tuning the overall information roll-out structure, since the whole of it can be a bit daunting if it's not properly presented. What's most important is that no one can take bits of this, twist them up, and get people derailed while trying to make money off them. If we've learned anything at all about existence, we've learned that money can be made off explaining it to people, but only if you can make people think they have to pay you for the chance to succeed.

The truth is a lot more familiar than you might think, and yet there are extremely counterintuitive foundational tenets that have to be established that present those familiar aspects in an entirely new way. It's in the establishment of those critical foundations where the average person runs into the biggest challenge, and where the phenomenon of intellectual revulsion seems to manifest most commonly. I think that the modern world is ready to deal with these notions. Especially since we've progressed in our knowledge of the physical structure and are no longer seeing human facial features in the shadows of the moon.

I've spent the last year working solely on the delivery methodology, and it's been quite a revelation in itself. I can now see why the ancients employed personification and story narrative in their efforts to deliver the take-away points. For their time, it was both their only way of explaining it in a compelling manner and effectively conceptualizing it for themselves. Still, the truth is remarkably accessible once the initial hurdle is cleared. In one sense the true reason for human existence is almost too mundane to be seriously considered, and yet when the details are laid out, the sheer genius of it all (the elegance of the solution structure itself is thrilling) has God's fingerprints all over it. It's realistic, sensible and set logic fans are going to really like how comfortable it makes them feel.

*** As far as suggesting that physical existence is the result of the kinds of emotional/psychological dramas offered by religion, there are plenty of opportunities for drama at the highest levels of physical existence. At the core levels - and the genesis that laid the foundation for those core levels - there's no role for that sort of foolishness, and no real capacity for it. Consciousness is an epitome achievement, and not an existential starting point. For now, that's all I'm going to leak here. I'll be all over this place like the flu with the rest of it when the reveal is ready.

Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by Annee

 

I believe we can do good without the expectation of a reward,

why bother?
karma will return all that is given.
there is only you, so you can expect it to return.

careful as "good" is perspective oriented.
What someone says is "good" might not necessarily be something you want to experience in future.
So think before you act, if these are acts you'd like to experience.

but I am not sure that we would even have that concept if not for the desire of a few influential people to inspire others to rise above our "animal" state.
What would you call that?

if in terms there are things animals do, that we shouldn't do.

leprosy, and many other foul names.
nature is to be revered,
for the many lessons it has to give us.
how can one expect to cut off pieces of their infinite self and remain whole?

okay well if you mean fully integrating all that is within the natural world.
and yet still rising above,
then it would be the chakra of choice.
so choosing what you wish to experience next.
taking responsibility for your own experience.
though you can consult with higher-entities,
safety, happiness, well being.

Some call it religion, with heaven as the reward.

that's only christianity and islam.
the vast majority of belief systems are aware of reincarnation,
and willing to allow their people to know about it.

A religion could be defined as either a method to connect to the purity of God, the source...

All around you, within and without you.

prime-creator through zen meditation,
and observance of those lesser evolved,
infinite-creator through psychically accepting information from higher chakras,
and observance of those more evolved.

or as a control mechanism for the elite.
In a positive sense, it is a search for enlightenment. In a negative sense, a sign one is "controlled."
Either way, there has to be a reward for good behavior.

treating humans like dogs.
okay, well that's natural.
many people had dogs,
some were dogs,
so it's okay. :-)

Heaven on earth could be a religion I suppose.

Sure I already live in paradise.
mmm savoury goodness,
love and harmony, peace and prosperity.

in an atom-tribe, self-sufficient and self reliant,
with forest garden and fab lab,
much free time for spiritual development.
while having sense of community and belonging.

if you have some "specific rules" you'd like,
in your atom tribes quite freely,
or inflict them on yourself first,
to try them out :-).

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by Alethea

 

Sometimes I do think we have a "ceiling" as to how much we are allowed to know - - before being chosen/separated into more suitable dimensions.

perhaps before being offered to go to different planets, or partake in different species.
yes, but you have the option of staying.

I could incarnate on a federation of reptilian planet if really wanted to,
but I much prefer earth.

earth had a lot more freedoms a few hundred years ago,
like free land, and the ability to go around doing whatever you wanted.
sure the sheeple were terrified of the pirate wolves, but sheep typically are.
sheep-people are disarmed so they are easier to manage by armed peoples.
nowadays economic slavery is the main occupation.
people call it "jobs".

anyways the Illuminati's plan to bankrupt and depopulate the planet,
will hopefully return us to a state where people can live freely.
in atom tribes, and such.

But ya, a lot of people are gonna have to leave, (depopulation)
so if you want to go elsewhere, please go ahead.

more land for me and my kindred spirits. :-)

Originally posted by Alethea
If civilization repeats itself by starting again at Genesis, could this now explain some of the cryptic messages from the myths?

well I dono about genesis,
that would entail the universe starting over again.
but if you mean the adam and eve story.
I like the Thiaooban version www.galactic.no...
where it's three people from planet Hebra: Robanan, a man, and Levia and Dina, two women.

well we already have Hebrews...
even if the illuminati depopulation plan works out,
we'll probably have more than 3 left.

we've had several major cataclysms where only a few (tens or hundreds) of people were left. but since the illuminati goal is to be within hundreds of millions range, we'll probably be somewhere around there.


[edit on 15-4-2010 by lowki]

Hi all,
As you can see I'm new and of course not read all the posts, But... Do we need to define a new religion? (rhetorical question).
My feelings are that when "The big one hits" or whatever the final outcome is that there will hopefully be enough people with good hearts and minds to realize the truth.
We are all part of this World, the Cosmos which was created by something far bigger than ourselves. Whatever created it does not need a name, does not need sacrifices etc because it is above all of these things. God for want of another name will always be resilient to our probings and proddings, when we are ready to know truth then we will know it.
I firmly believe that we are here for a purpose, and our purpose is the realization that we are all one and the same, equal, therefore if we live by one rule our lives will be complete.
The Rule? Help each other whenever, wherever and with whatever we can.
Hope my post isn't too bad for consideration.

since threads on religious topics, even from a non-christian perspective, keep getting crammed into below top secret, maybe this one should too.