Why So Secretive?

Originally posted by boondock-saint
Now, how can we be called a secret organization
when at least 3 of us have come forth to answer
questions in an open forum regarding the subject?
I would call that pretty transparent wouldn't you??

[edit on 10-4-2010 by boondock-saint]

I know of a guy who is a Mason. When I have asked him a question about the organization, he acts somewhat uppity and answers with only "Legacy of a Cowan", so I took it as to refrain from asking any/all questions.

Masons are far from innocent and their secrecy is based on ancient knowledge, and they're tied into their interdimensional handlers.

This is a very clear, look at how much Cambridge and Harvard degrees are wasted on these dark siders.


Do You Believe in Magick? Part I

This is a detailed look at 9/11, and the kind or ritualistic As Above So Below, ancient astrological knowlege, with an incredibly detailed look at the twin towers and how they represent Jachin and Boaz in the Temple of Solomon, which surprisingly in the KJV of the bible, is depicted as being a masonic type checkerboard floor, 1 Kings ch: 7 Vs:20.

A look at what probably took down the tower complex, something not even reported on though was very close to New York City on the 11 th of Sept, www.drjudywood.com...

Its funny how no one remembers Hurricane Erin, which surprisingly was somehow manifested to be near the As Above So Below symbols of the towers, Erin was even bigger than Katrina and was very close to location of the events.

These same mystery school illumaniti that go back beyond Solomon's temple, also have quite a few other things planned, namely an end game scenario, with underground bases, and fema camps and their plans always involve ritual sacrifices to the sungods, namely represented by Saturn.

reply to post by Unity_99


Could you please provide some tangible evidence to support your claims? They are just symbols; and symbols have nearly infinite meaning. I could start a group today united under the symbol of the Pentagram and to us the Pentagram could symbolize peace.

What I'm saying is you can't assume the symbols have anything to do with what they used to mean. A perfect example would be the word "fag." Do a little research into Etymology and you'll understand that your claims are baseless.

reply to post by illusioned2


ask your question now
I'll try to answer and if I don't know
the answer maybe another brother can
shed further light.

reply to post by Unity_99

lmao
that video is the biggest crock of kaka
I have ever seen

it is amazing what lengths some people will
go thru to try to prove their delusions.

They associated Masonry with 9/11
they associated Masonry with Astrology
they associated Masonry with Devil Worship
they associated Masonry with just about everything
but the kitchen sink.

That video is a lie
but you have free choice to believe what you want.
All I can say is, become a Mason and find out for
yourself that none of this is true.

Originally posted by Namaste
We don't actually run a "background check."

In New Jersey we actually do run a background check to verify that there are no prior felonies.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


I'm the Secretary of Independence Rock Lodge #56 and can say that we don't do background checks like that. Though I must say I am not necessarily surprised that some Lodges do.

The extent of our background checks consists of a character committee, and meeting their neighbors and possibly checking with their employer. Generally that is all unnecessary however; as my hometown is a small community and everyone pretty much knows everybody.

Most seek shade, can't take the heat, talk about people: As if, Up in Their Business.

True cowardice: "Much Respect..."

Most seek shade, can't take the heat, talk about people: As if, Up in Their Business.

True cowardice: "Much Respect..."

Most seek shade, can't take the heat, talk about people: As if, Up in Their Business.

True cowardice: "Much Respect..."

reply to post by KyleOrtonArmy


Masons are not a secret society. You can find them in the Yellow pages and the temples seem somewhat obvious to me. They are a society that has certain secrets. Whether or not the secrets are of any importance is another question. The rituals have been in continuous print for over 200 years. The regalia is on sale in masonic shops and on line. I fail to see any problem with the masons. There have, are and will be secret society that are of a higly private nature.

reply to post by Namaste


It is a rather recent policy, and in my opinion, a good one. If we are, as Masons, supposed to be upstanding members of society, then I personally would not want convicted felons associating themselves with me or my Lodge.

I would think that the candidates signers would have thoroughly vetted each person to determine if they were a felon but you can not know everything about everyone.

reply to post by boondock-saint


"A Mason can
only get his degrees if he possesses a faith in his deity (God)
and he has to take an oath upon the Holy Bible of the fact.
An atheist cannot become a Mason unless he lies to get in."

Hello,
I have a few questions, sir.

In your experience, have you ever known of someone who was found to be a liar in order to become a Mason member, and was found-out later? If yes, what became of him?

And how does the lodge protect against swearing-in "frauds?"

Could it be possible for the upper-echelons of free masonry to be frauds?

Originally posted by loveguy
I have a few questions, sir.

In your experience, have you ever known of someone who was found to be a liar in order to become a Mason member, and was found-out later? If yes, what became of him?

Yes. There was a person who joined my lodge with the sole intention of trying to solicit investments for a ponzi scheme he was conducting in Manhattan. It came to light as several members thought it was odd that he was asking them use his 'investment firm' and was rather insistent about them utilizing his company.

Masons are charged not to join for 'mercenary motives', this clearly was his inention. He was confronted about this and never returned to lodge. He was subsequently suspended for non-payment of dues.

And how does the lodge protect against swearing-in "frauds?"

It starts with a person being properly vouched for by two Masons who sign his petition. Next an investigating committee meets with the man in question (and his significant other if they are available). This is to explain what Masonry entails and to determine why he wants to join. As I mentioned earlier, we now do criminal background checks in my jurisdiction.

The person I mentioned above got in through a one-day class and did not go through the full process of vetting. This has been changed for all subsequent one-day classes.

Could it be possible for the upper-echelons of free masonry to be frauds?

Laet me ask you a question; what do you consider to be 'the upper-echelons'?

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Upper echelons wasn't a good word, sorry. You know, the Masters?

ETA
I forgot to say thanks for your answers. Thanks.


[edit on (4/11/1010 by loveguy]

Originally posted by loveguy
Upper echelons wasn't a good word, sorry. You know, the Masters?

No sure I am following you. We are all Master Masons, very few people opt not to continue with their degrees (I have only seen this twice since I became a Mason).

If you are refering to the Grandmaster, it is a one year elected position.

ETA
I forgot to say thanks for your answers. Thanks.

No problem, let us know if you have anymore.

reply to post by boondock-saint


Thank you! As a Mason, is "Legacy of a Cowan" how one is encouraged to dodge questions from outsiders? I was stunned for a moment when that was said to me but I figured that perhaps that was a normal response to one that was not of the club.

Originally posted by illusioned2
Thank you! As a Mason, is "Legacy of a Cowan" how one is encouraged to dodge questions from outsiders?

I Googled that exact phrase and the only place it appeared was in this thread. I have never heard that expression before and I do not know what it means.

I think all the Masons here are more then willing to answer any question you may have that does not involve revealing modes of recognition.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by illusioned2
Thank you! As a Mason, is "Legacy of a Cowan" how one is encouraged to dodge questions from outsiders?

I Googled that exact phrase and the only place it appeared was in this thread. I have never heard that expression before and I do not know what it means.

I think all the Masons here are more then willing to answer any question you may have that does not involve revealing modes of recognition.

Thank you- my apologies, I should have included the rest of it
“… and means to moderns an uninstructed and ignorant person, one not of the Fraternity, just as eavesdropper means to us one who attempts to gain the secrets of Masonry unlawfully.”
thanks!

reply to post by illusioned2


It would seem to be ritual from the United Kingdom, so I would not be very familiar with its usage.

Either way, if your freind does not want to answer questions that is his perrogative, but if you have any here I will do my best to answer them.